The Derek Chauvin/George Floyd Murder Trial

IsThisTheLife said:
I get that the need to virtue-signal is intrinsic to, if not the essence of being a "liberal", but sometimes it gets trowelled on so thick it just looks like someone having hysterics.
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I get that being an racist is intrinsic to, if not the essence of being conservative but really you just look pathetic when you try to trowel over it.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I don't care. But I'm glad he went to prison.
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So basically you're just here to do some flaccid both-sidesing? That's neat. An approach no one has ever seen before and isn't able to be seen through at all.

"You can't say I'm racist, I hate Chauvin too and he's white! However, I will take an opportunity to **** on the grave of a man who didn't deserve to die because that way I get a reaction from those around here and can virtue signal while accusing others of virtue signaling! Brilliant!"

Except, it's really not brilliant. It's been done before, in this thread actually. You should go back and read some of it. Seriously, get a new song and dance.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I don't care. But I'm glad he went to prison.
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Your posts seem contradictory - if you didn't care why did you say Chauvin did not murder Floyd?

Your words: "..... But Floyd wasn't "murdered", ..." it seems important to you that he didn't murder Floyd, even though the facts are clear i.e. the result of the court case into whether he did murder Floyd.
 
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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Do you get paid by the conservative buzzword?
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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"Damn libruls, all of em massively indoctrinated by librul TV (unlike the smart conservatives)"
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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Or hear me out, some of us rarely watch TV and never the news. Maybe we see this death as a turning point where the general public really started to realize that there is an issue with policing in this country that targets black men more than any other group. Maybe we think that our police should be better than the criminals and not murder people for non-compliance. Maybe we can be a better country if we start treating everyone the same and not allow our citizens to be murdered by those who "protect and serve."
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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:rolleyes:
Don't be silly.
 
I also love how both here and in the Mass Shooting thread we trying to be told that "I care when people die" is a bad thing.

"Black man gets murdered and you don't see me getting all worked up" and "19 dead kids? Lookit me show how much I don't care" are weird, weird flexes.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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LoL don't hurt yourself when it comes time to climb off that pedestal you've put yourself on. My favorite is the "I don't watch TV, therefore I'm better than those that do" nonsense. You're no better than anyone else. You're not some superior intellect here to chastise the rest of us and be taken seriously.

In fact, You've done nothing but trot out lazy arguments since you came to this thread. Perhaps you should watch some TV, maybe the actual trial to start with, and you wouldn't have to come here both-sidesing while thrusting your nose as high in the air as you can.

Then again, as you've shown, ignorance is bliss.
 
As always when someone wants to pontificate to me that I'm getting my information in the wrong way or I'm "biased" or there's some other fundamental flaw in how I process information they, and I cannot stress how important this step is, they can't be provably and demonstrably factually wrong about everything.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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Do us all a favor maybe. I've seen how this goes, we can expect to see you troll and make no coherent arguments and jump between unsupported hot takes and telling us how much you don't care, and making a bigger and bigger jerk of yourself until the mods throw you out. Can you skip all that and go straight to wherever you wanted to brag that the forum can't handle anyone who isn't woke? The middle steps aren't really necessary.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Do you get paid by the conservative buzzword?
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It's a pretty odd way to approach this police murder which undoubtedly only resulted in a conviction for these pigs because the whole ordeal was captured on video by a witness at the scene.

For all the right wing whinging about "corporate media", the only reason Chauvin is in prison is because the whole world got a first-person unadulterated view of an unambiguous act of murder happening that even our relentlessly bootlicking media and culture could not deny.

I find it pretty laughable to suggest that our mainstream media has anything approaching an anti-cop bias considering how regularly they run police claims without even a modicum of scrutiny, frame police violence in the most generous terms including inventing an entire type of Newspeak to do so, and how they engage in crime-wave fear mongering. The media is overwhelmingly carrying water for the cops in this country, and the fact that even the couldn't explain away Floyd's gratuitous broad daylight killing is a testament to how truly unjust this act was.
 
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gnome said:
Do us all a favor maybe. I've seen how this goes, we can expect to see you troll and make no coherent arguments and jump between unsupported hot takes and telling us how much you don't care, and making a bigger and bigger jerk of yourself until the mods throw you out. Can you skip all that and go straight to wherever you wanted to brag that the forum can't handle anyone who isn't woke? The middle steps aren't really necessary.
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"All while dozens of people reach the glass ceiling of telling him he's wrong again and again in neutral, beige terms that have already proven to not work."
 
George Floyd wasn't exactly mister nice guy. He was a petty criminal, thief, a drug taker and an all-round unpleasant character. But none of that means he deserved to die.

Chauvin, on the other hand, choked Floyd by kneeling on his neck. This is a method of restraint that was expressly forbidden by his own Police Department, a fact that his own Police Chief testified to in court. Furthermore, Chauvin was a training officer so he knew this. As a result of his actions, Chauvin deprived his victim, Floyd, of air for several minutes, until he stopped breathing. He continued kneeling on Floyd's neck even after Floyd had stopped breathing, despite onlookers telling him that he was killing Floyd, and despite his own fellow officers questioning his actions. Expert medical witnesses testified that Chauvin's actions would likely have killed a healthy person, even with no heart condition and no drugs in their system.

Chauvin murdered George Floyd... that is a fact supported by an overwhelming body of evidence, and a Jury of 12 of his fellow Minnesotans took just 10 hours to convict him for it... that is hardly enough time to even read through the evidence. This was a "no hesitation" conviction... an open and shut case of murder!
 
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IsThisTheLife said:
It's the way you all get led by the corporate media like you've got rings thru your noses that infuriates me. Of all the "wrong and evil" in the world, this is supposed to be an exemplar? It just leaves me shaking my head. It behoves people to stop watching goddamned teevee (just unplug your cable/aerial as I did years ago) and be at least slightly proactive and unilateral in the way you inform yourselves.
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Government authority figures murdering citizens (or indiscriminately killing if you prefer) is a serious problem for any nation.

Most atrocities in the world are committed by governments. Sorry but some of us do not want the US to become one of those nations.

I can't think of many issues that are more serious.

I can think of one thing that is worse in our nation...the threat of the Republican Party. An authoritarian bent, embracing conspiracy theories, voting rights, women's rights, election tampering, love of guns, hatred of science, followers of Gawd.

Sounds like the ******* Taliban.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I also love how both here and in the Mass Shooting thread we trying to be told that "I care when people die" is a bad thing.

"Black man gets murdered and you don't see me getting all worked up" and "19 dead kids? Lookit me show how much I don't care" are weird, weird flexes.
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I think it's fear, maybe even naked panic. Some people cope differently with traumatic stuff.
I read "19 Kids is nothing compared to blablabla" as "I am scared ********, because how long until I am in the middle of a shooting by pure chance"

That's how I read them. It's slightly similar to "Every accusation from a 'conservative' is a confession".
 
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is like saying, "Oh, he didn't die from the three shark bites. No, no. He died from a loss of blood."

Floyd was eventually unable to breathe (1) because he'd taken nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a drug with a documented side effect of restricting or even stopping breathing at normal dosage, and (2) because he had COVID-19, one of whose symptoms is shortness of breath.

His heart stopped beating because he had a severe heart problem (90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery), because he had hypertension, and because he had trouble breathing due to the fentanyl and COVID-19.

If Floyd had not had these issues, he would not have died from 91.5 pounds of pressure being applied to his upper back or neck for 9 minutes. The prosecution's own breathing expert, Dr. Tobin, said the most weight that Chauvin applied with his left knee (the knee that was on Floyd) was 91.5 pounds. Early in the case, the medical examiner made it a point to note that tests had proved that a person of average health could still breathe even with 200 pounds applied to their back while in the prone position.

The medical examiner admitted, under cross-examination, that Floyd would not have died from being pinned for 9 minutes if he had not had the above-mentioned health issues.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is like saying, "Oh, he didn't die from the three shark bites. No, no. He died from a loss of blood."

Floyd was eventually unable to breathe (1) because he'd taken nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a drug with a documented side effect of restricting or even stopping breathing at normal dosage, and (2) because he had COVID-19, one of whose symptoms is shortness of breath.

His heart stopped beating because he had a severe heart problem (90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery), because he had hypertension, and because he had trouble breathing due to the fentanyl and COVID-19.

If Floyd had not had these issues, he would not have died from 91.5 pounds of pressure being applied to his upper back or neck for 9 minutes. The prosecution's own breathing expert, Dr. Tobin, said the most weight that Chauvin applied with his left knee (the knee that was on Floyd) was 91.5 pounds. Early in the case, the medical examiner made it a point to note that tests had proved that a person of average health could still breathe even with 200 pounds applied to their back while in the prone position.

The medical examiner admitted, under cross-examination, that Floyd would not have died from being pinned for 9 minutes if he had not had the above-mentioned health issues.
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IT DOESN'T ******* MATTER.

If I shove someone into a wall, exacerbating an existing heart condition that prompts a heart attack, IT'S STILL MY FAULT.

It would be a weird world if you were only responsible for physical violence against perfectly healthy people who then died. "Oh, he was going to die soon anyway, **** him."
 
TheGoldcountry said:
IT DOESN'T ******* MATTER.

If I shove someone into a wall, exacerbating an existing heart condition that prompts a heart attack, IT'S STILL MY FAULT.

It would be a weird world if you were only responsible for physical violence against perfectly healthy people who then died. "Oh, he was going to die soon anyway, **** him."
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Hang on, there, maybe the brother's on to something.

Man is mortal, and all speed towards the grave, yes? So I can like...kill mother ******* with impunity, what with the inevitability of Death's cold embrace?

This is a philosophy I can put to pragmatic use. Perhaps wearing one of those spiffy cape and mask getups.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is like saying, "Oh, he didn't die from the three shark bites. No, no. He died from a loss of blood."

Floyd was eventually unable to breathe (1) because he'd taken nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a drug with a documented side effect of restricting or even stopping breathing at normal dosage, and (2) because he had COVID-19, one of whose symptoms is shortness of breath.

His heart stopped beating because he had a severe heart problem (90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery), because he had hypertension, and because he had trouble breathing due to the fentanyl and COVID-19.

If Floyd had not had these issues, he would not have died from 91.5 pounds of pressure being applied to his upper back or neck for 9 minutes. The prosecution's own breathing expert, Dr. Tobin, said the most weight that Chauvin applied with his left knee (the knee that was on Floyd) was 91.5 pounds. Early in the case, the medical examiner made it a point to note that tests had proved that a person of average health could still breathe even with 200 pounds applied to their back while in the prone position.

The medical examiner admitted, under cross-examination, that Floyd would not have died from being pinned for 9 minutes if he had not had the above-mentioned health issues.
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We have the accounts of the multiple medical experts completely countering your claims reported in this very thread. To quote one:

"George Floyd died from a lack of oxygen during his arrest, a doctor at the trial of ex-police officer Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis has said.
Contradicting the defence, Dr Martin Tobin said fentanyl did not cause Mr Floyd's death. He said even a "healthy person...would have died".
 
smartcooky said:
George Floyd wasn't exactly mister nice guy. He was a petty criminal, thief, a drug taker and an all-round unpleasant character. But none of that means he deserved to die.

Chauvin, on the other hand, choked Floyd by kneeling on his neck. This is a method of restraint that was expressly forbidden by his own Police Department, a fact that his own Police Chief testified to in court. Furthermore, Chauvin was a training officer so he knew this. As a result of his actions, Chauvin deprived his victim, Floyd, of air for several minutes, until he stopped breathing. He continued kneeling on Floyd's neck even after Floyd had stopped breathing, despite onlookers telling him that he was killing Floyd, and despite his own fellow officers questioning his actions. Expert medical witnesses testified that Chauvin's actions would likely have killed a healthy person, even with no heart condition and no drugs in their system.

Chauvin murdered George Floyd... that is a fact supported by an overwhelming body of evidence, and a Jury of 12 of his fellow Minnesotans took just 10 hours to convict him for it... that is hardly enough time to even read through the evidence. This was a "no hesitation" conviction... an open and shut case of murder!
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Expert bull****ers
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is like saying, "Oh, he didn't die from the three shark bites. No, no. He died from a loss of blood."

Floyd was eventually unable to breathe (1) because he'd taken nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a drug with a documented side effect of restricting or even stopping breathing at normal dosage, and (2) because he had COVID-19, one of whose symptoms is shortness of breath.

His heart stopped beating because he had a severe heart problem (90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery), because he had hypertension, and because he had trouble breathing due to the fentanyl and COVID-19.

If Floyd had not had these issues, he would not have died from 91.5 pounds of pressure being applied to his upper back or neck for 9 minutes. The prosecution's own breathing expert, Dr. Tobin, said the most weight that Chauvin applied with his left knee (the knee that was on Floyd) was 91.5 pounds. Early in the case, the medical examiner made it a point to note that tests had proved that a person of average health could still breathe even with 200 pounds applied to their back while in the prone position.

The medical examiner admitted, under cross-examination, that Floyd would not have died from being pinned for 9 minutes if he had not had the above-mentioned health issues.
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Endlessly repeating your lies might be convincing among the dumb-***** that inhabit your conspiracy theory echo-chamber, but it won't work here in the world of reality. We can look up the facts for ourselves, and we can read the testimony for ourselves.

The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system was NOT, REPEAT NOT a fatal dose.
 
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mikegriffith1 said:
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is <>
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....is the truth.
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Just because you don't want to accept it, doesn't alter it's accuracy.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Saying that George Floyd didn't die from the triple-lethal amount of fentanyl in his blood, his severely bad heart, his COVID-19, and his hypertension, but that he died from "a lack of oxygen" is like saying, "Oh, he didn't die from the three shark bites. No, no. He died from a loss of blood."

Floyd was eventually unable to breathe (1) because he'd taken nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a drug with a documented side effect of restricting or even stopping breathing at normal dosage, and (2) because he had COVID-19, one of whose symptoms is shortness of breath.

His heart stopped beating because he had a severe heart problem (90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery), because he had hypertension, and because he had trouble breathing due to the fentanyl and COVID-19.

If Floyd had not had these issues, he would not have died from 91.5 pounds of pressure being applied to his upper back or neck for 9 minutes. The prosecution's own breathing expert, Dr. Tobin, said the most weight that Chauvin applied with his left knee (the knee that was on Floyd) was 91.5 pounds. Early in the case, the medical examiner made it a point to note that tests had proved that a person of average health could still breathe even with 200 pounds applied to their back while in the prone position.

The medical examiner admitted, under cross-examination, that Floyd would not have died from being pinned for 9 minutes if he had not had the above-mentioned health issues.
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Cry more about it. Your tears are delicious.

We spent an entire year actually arguing with the "Police should get to murder black people if they have a pre-existing condition" murder apologist and I'm not doing it again so I'm going to point and laugh.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Cry more about it. Your tears are delicious.

We spent an entire year actually arguing with the "Police should get to murder black people if they have a pre-existing condition" murder apologist and I'm not doing it again so I'm going to point and laugh.
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I think, just to relive the experience, I'm going to rewatch the reading of the verdict a few times. Maybe some of the prosecution's highlights. Just really enjoy watching justice being served to someone who deserves it.

After that, if I'm feeling up for it, I'll rewatch the Arbery verdicts too.
 
JoeMorgue said:
We spent an entire year actually arguing with the "Police should get to murder black people if they have a pre-existing condition" murder apologist and I'm not doing it again so I'm going to point and laugh.
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To be fair, that is pretty much the standard. The Chauvin case was an anomaly. Cops keep killing people with sketchy tactics like chokeholds or prolonged face-down restraint without accountability. In custody deaths are going to keep getting hand-waved away as pre-existing conditions or "excited delirium".
 
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