The Biden Presidency (continued)

Ah, the r/conservative gambit "tHe DoWnvOTes pRovE i'M rIGht!!!!"
Or, as Carl Sagan said;

“But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
 
Lack of testing since 2014, and somewhat useless test:
What happens after 70?

About half of men over that age have some cancer in their prostates but no symptoms. Cancer there grows slowly and usually causes no harm if it’s left alone. If all of these men were screened, the theory goes, many would then be treated with surgery or radiation that wouldn’t prevent their deaths from prostate cancer — and could have devastating side effects.

But plenty of men over 70 — including Trump — continue to get regular P.S.A. tests. Which might be reasonable, some doctors say, especially if they are healthy and have a life expectancy of at least 10 more years.

Biden isn’t just some guy over 70. He was the leader of the free world, and his health was a matter of national interest. Should he have been tested? If he had been, could the cancer have been caught before it metastasized?

Not necessarily. Dr. Otis Brawley of Johns Hopkins University tells me he has treated about half a dozen men in the last year who had routine P.S.A. results — and then suddenly found metastatic prostate cancer. “How the hell did I get metastatic disease?” he said they ask him. “Whose fault is this?” Some cancers go from nonexistent to metastatic in the year between screening tests. Others don’t even show up on a P.S.A. test.
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And yet the job got done. Fairly well, too. Can't really say the same about the current guy, can we? For those of us who value results clearly Biden was the better president.

I think it's pretty well understood now that Reagan wasn't entirely running things his second term, that it was mostly Bush and the cabinet. Does that mean all the things that current conservatives heap praise on Reagan for during that term didn't happen at all? Or that they did but they don't count because it wasn't Reagan himself behind them?

At some point in the machinery of history what matters is results. It's not ideal but there you go, such is life.
To be fair to Ray-Gun the reich only ever praised him on what they say he did not what on what he or his cabinet actually did. Based on what actually was done, one would be forced to admit that Ray-Gun was a biblical plague inflicted on the country.
 
You’re whistling a tune past the graveyard. The Democratic Party is imploding, and the last thing on earth you’re willing to do is engage in a little introspection.

Imploding? Where is the implosion? The GOP barely, BARELY has a majority in the House and that's fresh off a POTUS election year where he got the popular vote and the electoral college. We both know the Dems will get the house in the midterms. Absolute best case scenario for the GOP is they only lose 10-12 seats. Trump got pummeled in the midterms during his first tenure and it wasn't close. The dems won 235 seats during that election, and this time around Trump is doing way more drastic ◊◊◊◊ that's hurting way more Americans. Including about to kick a bunch of people off Medicaid and taking away help for rural schools.

I've already said a lot of things the Dems need to change, but right now they don't have to do anything. Just let Trump kick himself and his own party in the balls for 18 more months and reap the rewards.
 
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So, I listened to Jack Tapper talking with Sam Harris, as well as some of the audio of the Hur hearings.

Here's what I think at this point: the Hur recordings show, what had been dismissed as some partisan swipe at Biden, actually now looks like a more than reasonable assessment of him. Remember that he also went out to a press conference and gave an angry rebuttal to Hur's report which said that Biden didn't remember when his son died.
Biden says in the press conference "How dare he raise that! When I was asked that question, I thought that's none of your damn business..." and yet, as the tapes show (or appear to show from what I have heard of them), and as Tapper and Harris point out, it seems to be Biden who brings up his son and then repeatedly asked for clarification (to an aide?) what the year was when his son died and when Trump was elected, etc... in the same press conference he then went on to confuse Egypt with Mexico etc... it was looking bad then, and this was quite some time before the terrible debate.

Hur referred to Biden as someone who would appear as "sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.":

 
I've already said a lot of things the Dems need to change, but right now they don't have to do anything. Just let Trump kick himself and his own party in the balls for 18 more months and reap the rewards.
Very true, especially if the recent Canadian federal election is anything to go by. The "Trump-light" Pierre Poilievre was a shoo-in for Prime Minister until Trump started his shenanigans and Canada-bashing. The governing Liberals, who were certain to lose the election, instead almost got a majority government.
 
Or, as Carl Sagan said;

“But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
To be fair they were right to laugh at Columbus, famous for proving the earth is pear shaped not remotely round.
 
Canadian politics are not in fact something to go by in regards to US politics.

Why? You don't think the country I'm literally 60 miles away from would be influenced by our politics or make decisions on their own politics based on what they're seeing less than a few hundred miles from them? Logic 4tw!
 
Why? You don't think the country I'm literally 60 miles away from would be influenced by our politics or make decisions on their own politics based on what they're seeing less than a few hundred miles from them? Logic 4tw!
Nobody cares how far from Canada you personally are. North Dakota (with its massive 3 electoral votes) might care about what happens in Ottawa, but most Americans do not. Most Americans don't pay any attention to Canadian politics. Most Americans probably can't even name the new Canadian Prime Minister, or even know that an election recently took place. There is no reason to expect Canadian political trends to have any significant effect on American politics.
 
Nobody cares how far from Canada you personally are. North Dakota (with its massive 3 electoral votes) might care about what happens in Ottawa,

Why the ◊◊◊◊ would we care about Ottawa? It's 20 hours away. Manitoba is directly above us but it's clear you have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clue how Canada affects the US. I'm sure "nobody cares" how far I personally am, but I was pointing out that we share a border with Canada. A ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ long one. If you're dumb enough to think that people along the border, on both sides, don't care what the other country is doing, politically, then I can't help with that level of ignorance. You'll have to ask a child around the age of 5 to explain it to you...with crayons.
but most Americans do not.

Considering the headlines the elections made in the US and the way Trump's fat ass met with the new elected leader I would beg to say that your take is full of ◊◊◊◊, as is tradition.
Most Americans don't pay any attention to Canadian politics.

Just because you don't doesn't mean others don't, but this is unverifiable so I'll let you keep talking out of your ass. It seems to be your preferred method of communication.
Most Americans probably can't even name the new Canadian Prime Minister,

Yeah, some Americans are self-centered dip ◊◊◊◊◊ that don't care about anything other than what's happening in their own neighborhood. Again, though, that doesn't apply to "most".
or even know that an election recently took place.

More ass chatter, got it.
There is no reason to expect Canadian political trends to have any significant effect on American politics.

But it does. Their boycotting of our products is causing actual harm. It's causing actual harm to the city and state I live in. I assure you that it will also affect the way people vote all along the border. The tax revenue lost alone is a kick in the dick to cities and states like mine.

Just because you have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clue how this ◊◊◊◊ works doesn't mean damage isn't being done or that people don't care. You might not, but no one cares what you pay attention to on a day-to-day basis.
 
Only if you are completely incompetent - bombs are released long before you reach the target
You do understand that the expression isn't supposed to be taken that literally, right? That I'm not actually flying a plane, I'm not dropping real bombs, and your responses aren't real flak. You do get the concept of metaphorical language, right? To nitpick it as if the correspondence needed to be exact in every respect is to miss the forest for the trees. Oops, there I go again, now you're going to say something about how you can't miss a forest if you're seeing the trees since the forest is the trees.
It's a stupid expression for people who are not used to being called out on their BS
And yet, who here is actually arguing that Biden was mentally competent, that his handlers didn't understand that, that they were transparent with the public about his condition, or that the public should have been kept in the dark? It's all just tu quoques. The actual substance of what I said isn't really being challenged at all.
 
Why the ◊◊◊◊ would we care about Ottawa? It's 20 hours away.
Because it's the capital of Canada, the seat of Canada's government, and you claim that you care about Canadian politics.

Way to prove my point though.
 
Because it's the capital of Canada, the seat of Canada's government, and you claim that you care about Canadian politics.

Way to prove my point though.

Oh. My. ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. God. I knew it was the Capitol of Canada. The actions of other places mean more to certain sectors of the US. Like what Ford is doing in retaliation to the tariffs. You said North Dakota might care what happens in Ottowa, but we care more about what happens in Manitoba. Just like the US, different provinces have different policies that directly affect things like trade on a more granular level.

Way to prove my point though. Cherry picking a small snippet of a post just because you phrased something stupid. Neat, lets see what disingenuous nonsense you come up with next!
 
Oh. My. ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. God. I knew it was the Capitol of Canada.
No ◊◊◊◊. But you asked why we would care about Ottawa. I answered your question.
The actions of other places mean more to certain sectors of the US. Like what Ford is doing in retaliation to the tariffs. You said North Dakota might care what happens in Ottowa, but we care more about what happens in Manitoba. Just like the US, different provinces have different policies that directly affect things like trade on a more granular level.
Look, YOU made it about the Canadian Prime Minister, not me. Either you think his election matters, or it doesn't. If it matters, then what happens in Ottawa matters, because that's where the Prime Minister governs from, not Manitoba. If you only care about what happens in Manitoba and not Ottawa, then you have no reason to care who is Prime Minister.
 
Look, YOU made it about the Canadian Prime Minister, not me. Either you think his election matters, or it doesn't. If it matters, then what happens in Ottawa matters, because that's where the Prime Minister governs from, not Manitoba. If you only care about what happens in Manitoba and not Ottawa, then you have no reason to care who is Prime Minister.

I didn't make it about the PM, I commented on politics in Canada. I care about both, because the point wasn't about the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Prime Minister. You're focusing on him for some reason. You said that most people don't care about "politics in Canada". I told you that was bull ◊◊◊◊, I have no idea why you're now focused on the Prime Minister specifically.

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See, during the Biden administration we had good relations with Canada. Our trade was good, our relationship was good, and the US wasn't being boycotted in Canada. Since the Trump administration followed the Biden admin, we can also compare the relationship of both administrations.

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I didn't make it about the PM
You are correct, you didn't. Blue Mountain did. And then you joined in on the conversation in support of him. I assumed, incorrectly, that you were actually agreeing with him. More below.
I can explain it to you and Zigg though, since both of you are struggling. See, during the Biden administration we had good relations with Canada. Our trade was good, our relationship was good, and the US wasn't being boycotted in Canada. Since the Trump administration followed the Biden admin, we can also compare the relationship of both administrations.
You didn't actually pay attention to Blue Mountain's post when you inserted yourself into our exchange. His post wasn't about whether our relationship with Canada improved or soured, nor was it a comparison of Biden vs. Trump in regards to Canada. He made a claim that the direction of Canadian elections were an indicator of how future US politics might move. Your claim in this post has nothing to do with that. Whatever your opinion about US/Canada relations, they have little to do with what US voters will do, because US/Canada relations are not a top priority for any significant number of US voters.
 
You do understand that the expression isn't supposed to be taken that literally, right? That I'm not actually flying a plane, I'm not dropping real bombs, and your responses aren't real flak. You do get the concept of metaphorical language, right? To nitpick it as if the correspondence needed to be exact in every respect is to miss the forest for the trees. Oops, there I go again, now you're going to say something about how you can't miss a forest if you're seeing the trees since the forest is the trees.

And yet, who here is actually arguing that Biden was mentally competent, that his handlers didn't understand that, that they were transparent with the public about his condition, or that the public should have been kept in the dark? It's all just tu quoques. The actual substance of what I said isn't really being challenged at all.
You do understand that the expression is stupid, based on the assumption that being criticized must mean that you are right, right?
It's the same as saying "I'm doing my own research, and it's right because all the experts disagree".

Anyone who uses it proves that they don't have a decent argument, and are more interested in triggering a strong negative reaction in others than actually finding out what's going on.
So leave the martyr/soldier rhetoric to Alex Jones if you want to be taken seriously.

If you recall, I have always been critical of Biden, scathingly so, when he announced he will run again. So you can't score any points with me there.
Of course, Republicans didn't give anyone a choice, did they? Even a braindead Biden is better than Trump, as you are well aware.
 
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If you recall, I have always been critical of Biden, scathingly so, when he announced he will run again. So you can't score any points with me there.
Of course, Republicans didn't give anyone a choice, did they? Even a braindead Biden is better than Trump, as you are well aware.
Republicans aren't responsible for Biden's team hiding his decline. Republicans aren't responsible for choosing Biden as the Democratic nominee in 2020. Republicans aren't responsible for making Biden run again, despite the fact that his decline was so far progressed they couldn't successfully hide it anymore. Republicans aren't responsible for the Democrats not running a real primary in 2024. Your hatred for Trump isn't an excuse for any of those choices.
 
Republicans aren't responsible for Biden's team hiding his decline. Republicans aren't responsible for choosing Biden as the Democratic nominee in 2020. Republicans aren't responsible for making Biden run again, despite the fact that his decline was so far progressed they couldn't successfully hide it anymore. Republicans aren't responsible for the Democrats not running a real primary in 2024. Your hatred for Trump isn't an excuse for any of those choices.
Republicans ARE the other Party in a 2 Party system. It is their responsibility to nominate a Candidate who will follow the Constitution instead of abusing it for personal profit. And when in the Majority, it is their Sworn Duty to oppose any violations by the President, be it a Democrat or Republicans instead of licking his boots 24/7.
Trump is EXCLUSIVELY their fault, as they choose to pick him for the Election. Voters wouldn't have voted for him if Republicans hadn't put him on the ballot. It doesn't matter who the Democrat Candidate is: Republicans shouldn't have sold their soul, three times, just to win an election.

Stop making lousy, pathetic excuses for a Party that has decided to betray the country for their God-Emperor.
Biden, or Harris, would have been better than Trump, and you know it.
Stop trying to shift the blame - it makes you look whiny.
 
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Republicans ARE the other Party in a 2 Party system. It is their responsibility to nominate a Candidate that will follow the Constitution instead of abusing it for personal profit.
Again, this thread isn't about Trump or the Republican party. Nothing they do is an excuse for the coverup of Biden's decline.
Stop making lousy, pathetic excuses for a Party that has decided to betray the country for their God-Emperor.
Stop with the tu quoque excuses for the coverup of Biden's decline.
 
Again, this thread isn't about Trump or the Republican party. Nothing they do is an excuse for the coverup of Biden's decline.

Stop with the tu quoque excuses for the coverup of Biden's decline.
when to shoe fits

My post is 100% on point, as it is you who keeps on blaming Democrats for Trump by not providing a stronger candidate.
 
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You are correct, you didn't. Blue Mountain did. And then you joined in on the conversation in support of him. I assumed, incorrectly, that you were actually agreeing with him. More below.

I can't imagine why. I made my posts very specific, but I digress.
You didn't actually pay attention to Blue Mountain's post when you inserted yourself into our exchange.

I didn't know you were so sensitive about it. I'll be sure to point it when I see you do the same now that I know it bothers you so much.
His post wasn't about whether our relationship with Canada improved or soured, nor was it a comparison of Biden vs. Trump in regards to Canada.

Yes, I totally get that. That's why the post that you responded to, or I guess the conversation that you inserted yourself into since it wasn't addressed at you (again, I know you hate that), was explaining to Hercules why my statements about Canada's politics were relevant to this thread, not yours and Blue Mountains conversation. They're two different things, you see.
He made a claim that the direction of Canadian elections were an indicator of how future US politics might move.

Right, and my point in bringing up my location, Canada's elections, and it's relevance to the US is that it will be an indicator. They will be an indicator for the reasons I listed. North Dakotans, especially farmers, are losing money. The cities are losing tax revenue. Jack Daniels, and the Kentucky community surrounding it, will also be taking a huge hit since whiskey has been a #1 target for foreign countries. Canada stuck with the Left because of what they saw coming from the American right. The people of America will see the same thing, especially when their medicare gets slashed, rural schools struggle to stay open, etc. and will also go left. Canada is in indicator. You can argue against it all you want, but I just straight up think you're wrong.
Your claim in this post has nothing to do with that. Whatever your opinion about US/Canada relations, they have little to do with what US voters will do, because US/Canada relations are not a top priority for any significant number of US voters.

Thank you. This post goes to show how little you know about the people along the Northern border. You also don't understand in any way, shape or form how Canadians, and their purchase power, will impact our elections. You're the typical Trump supporter. From top to bottom.
 
Thank you. This post goes to show how little you know about the people along the Northern border.
You mean like the fact that they are not a significant fraction of US voters?

You don't have to take my word for it. Polling organizations regularly do polling about the issues voters care about the most. US/Canada relations aren't anywhere near the top. That may not be true for you individually, that may not be true for North Dakota, but for the US as a whole, it is. That's just a fact. And there's no point in blaming me for it.
 
You mean like the fact that they are not a significant fraction of US voters?

You don't have to take my word for it. Polling organizations regularly do polling about the issues voters care about the most. US/Canada relations aren't anywhere near the top. That may not be true for you individually, that may not be true for North Dakota, but for the US as a whole, it is. That's just a fact. And there's no point in blaming me for it.

Link me to some of those polls. Something recent, like within the last 3 months. It might not be a significant fraction of all US voters, but I bet it affects places like...Detroit. Think those voters are stoked about losing tax revenue? Think they could turn the tide of the vote in Michigan?

I'm not "blaming" you for anything, I'm pointing out your ignorance.
 
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Link me to some of those polls. Something recent, like within the last 3 months.
You have to go to the "Full Results" at the bottom to find issue rankings, but "Foreign Policy" is second to last, and US/Canada relations would be a subset of that. These results shouldn't surprise you. Domestic concerns almost always dominate US voter interest.
It might not be a significant fraction of all US voters
Then my claim is correct.
I'm not "blaming" you for anything, I'm pointing out your ignorance.
Except I'm not ignorant, because my claim was correct.
 
I wasn't disputing that your claim was correct, I was commenting on how your claim wasn't the all that encompassing. It's not the whole story. People in the South don't have snow removal as part of their concern either, that doesn't mean it doesn't shape the political outcomes of other places in the US.

Your whole thing is that no one cares about Canada and that voters won't let it sway their vote. I've shown that's not true because cities that are close to the border can be swayed by Canadian politics, like boycotting US products, or boycotting coming to the US for holiday, which has a direct effect on taxes.

But, we aren't changing each others minds and I'm about exhausted on this topic. You certainly haven't swayed me at all, and I haven't swayed you. So, have a good one.
 
Stop bickering, stop personalising your arguments, and do not attempt to moderate the thread.

The topic is the Biden Presidency; stay on topic.
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Tramp is now having the DOJ look into Biden's mental abilities during his last year in office, and if his many official actions, such as pardons, should be disregarded.

Courts will of course tell Tramp to do scratch. All of the President's official actions are legitimate, otherwise they would have removed him via impeachment or the 25th amendment.
 
GRASSLEY: My hunch at the moment is they're gonna come up with a lot of things President Biden did not sign, maybe thousands of things signed by autopen.

FOX: It's not illegal to use an autopen, is it?

GRASSLEY: I can't answer that question for you. Maybe I should be able to, but I can't.

 
Authorized use of the auto pen is legal. Unauthorized use is not. Biden was pretty out of it, so the question of whether any of it was unauthorized is quite reasonable.
 
GRASSLEY: My hunch at the moment is they're gonna come up with a lot of things President Biden did not sign, maybe thousands of things signed by autopen.

FOX: It's not illegal to use an autopen, is it?

GRASSLEY: I can't answer that question for you. Maybe I should be able to, but I can't.

Yes, an autopen signature can be legal. The Department of Justice has stated that the President can direct a subordinate to affix their signature to a bill, which includes using an autopen. There is no federal law prohibiting the use of an autopen for signing documents.
 
Authorized use of the auto pen is legal. Unauthorized use is not. Biden was pretty out of it, so the question of whether any of it was unauthorized is quite reasonable.
the ONLY person who can determine whether the use of autopen was authorized - before or after it's use - is Biden, no one else.
The SC has made it supremely clear that the DOJ isn't even allowed to investigate the President about anything to do with the Affairs of State.

This is all just BS, Red Meat for the gullible.
 

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