Carrot Flower King
Philosopher
^ It will be interesting to see what is in the report as more details come out over the next few days - sounds like it is a big and very detailed beast - like the role of the Murdoch empire...
[/FONT][FONT="]The report is solid, detailed, thorough, methodical, sourced, and it cannot be dismissed.[/FONT]
[FONT="](Even if the report is ignored.)[/FONT]
[FONT="]It makes out a compelling case of corruption throughout the metropolitan police – and not just some dodgy officers at one police station.
Monk found guilty of the manslaughter of Dalian Atkinson: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...manslaughter-of-ex-footballer-dalian-atkinson
Jury still considering verdict on Bettley-Smith.
He wasn't found guilty of murder.
The first policeman to be convicted in thirty-five years for murdering a member of public. One wonders whether had Dalian Atkinson not been such a high profile person (I often saw him play when I frequented Villa Park in the mid-90's) this would even have gone this far. I can well imagine how frightening someone in a psychotic rage and exhibiting super strength might be but to keep on tasering and kicking in the head until the person is definitely dead is something a trained police officer should never do. In the case of the London Bridge 'narwhal' incident when a police officer had to fire - what was it? 20 shots? - into the terrorist's body, that was quite different. The man had already killed two people and attacked others, had two knives and a possible suicide vest, was still moving as though to reach for a cord or weapon, so that did fall under 'reasonable force'.
manslaughterThe first policeman to be convicted in thirty-five years for murdering a member of public.
fair enoughOne wonders whether had Dalian Atkinson not been such a high profile person (I often saw him play when I frequented Villa Park in the mid-90's) this would even have gone this far.
The first part, we only have the word of a convicted killer.I can well imagine how frightening someone in a psychotic rage and exhibiting super strength might be but to keep on tasering and kicking in the head until the person is definitely dead is something a trained police officer should never do.
True but irrelevant - nobody's claiming that it's not reasonable to kill terrorists in the course of their attacksIn the case of the London Bridge 'narwhal' incident when a police officer had to fire - what was it? 20 shots? - into the terrorist's body, that was quite different. The man had already killed two people and attacked others, had two knives and a possible suicide vest, was still moving as though to reach for a cord or weapon, so that did fall under 'reasonable force'
I'm not sure what to make of this.
manslaughter
fair enough
The first part, we only have the word of a convicted killer.
True but irrelevant - nobody's claiming that it's not reasonable to kill terrorists in the course of their attacks
Can anyone point me to any report, witness account or anything which confirms the police account of "big, mad, scary black man"? And I don't mean Atkinson's father's apparent account to the police, as he, obviously, did not confirm that report in court.
I mean, if witnesses were able to tell the court that they saw Monk kick Atkinson in the head more than once, surely someone confirmed Monk's narrative of "big, mad, scary black man"?
None of the press accounts I've seen mention this.
Monk is a liar and he was trying to rely on the scary black man defence, which worked for the cops who murdered Sheku Bayoh and many others with excessive force and restraint, but hopefully will no longer work.
This is the UK's George Floyd case, and is hopefully a tipping point here, such that fewer BAME people (and others) will be killed by the police, or if they are killed, the police will be properly held to account.
Not sure the George Floyd comparison is a flattering one to pick. Chauvin got convicted of proper murder, not manslaughter. The scary black man defense still seems to be somewhat effective for reducing the culpability of killer cops.
Kicking someone in the head is widely understood by everyone to be lethal force. Manslaughter is a miscarriage of justice.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-officer-was-kept-on-despite-gross-misconduct
Monk had previously been disciplined for gross misconduct.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-officer-was-kept-on-despite-gross-misconduct
Monk had previously been disciplined for gross misconduct.
Isn't the point of spent convictions that you don't need to disclose them?
Isn't the point of spent convictions that you don't need to disclose them?
"I wouldn't feel confident reporting a crime to my own police force."
These are the words of a serving Greater Manchester Police (GMP) officer who has chosen to speak to BBC Newsnight to allege serious failings within England's second largest force.
A number of officers, past and present, have also come forward to voice similar concerns.
How about a police force so bad even its own officers don't trust it?
Greater Manchester Police officers allege force failing crime victims
Greater Manchester Police is under what is called 'special measures' basically they are so bad that if they were a business they would have gone bust by now.
Not the case for certain positions of trust according to my understanding.
I'd *guess* that it should also come up in security vetting for sensitive positions.
The cop who murdered Sarah Everard has pleaded guilty.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57774597
I cannot imagine he will get much of a discounted sentence for that.