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The behaviour of UK police officers.

On the same day PC David Carrick is sacked after pleading guilty to multiple sex offences, a PC Lee Parker is charged with sexual assault & public indecency & a CHI Richard Watkinson was found dead after failing to attend charging for session of indecent child images.

The trickle is turning into a flood. At least it is evidence the culture is now becoming toxic for the cops, rather than women and children.
 
Rolfe said:
You'd laugh, if it wasn't so serious. I've seen the tweets. Now, girls, remember always to report the incident to the police every time a policeman sexually assaults or rapes you.
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My suggestion is that any report of a sexual offence, the reporter should insist it is made to a female cop.
 
Nessie said:
On the same day PC David Carrick is sacked after pleading guilty to multiple sex offences, a PC Lee Parker is charged with sexual assault & public indecency & a CHI Richard Watkinson was found dead after failing to attend charging for session of indecent child images.

The trickle is turning into a flood. At least it is evidence the culture is now becoming toxic for the cops, rather than women and children.
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I heard from, I assume, a spokesperson in the background on a radio news spot today that we should expect a lot more to come out now that investigations are poised to open up. Kind'a turns the spotlight back on the institution somewhat.

"You should expect more that we've known about but done **** all about".
 
Nessie said:
My suggestion is that any report of a sexual offence, the reporter should insist it is made to a female cop.
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That in itself is a problematic requirement, considering what else is going on in the police force.
 
bluesjnr said:
I heard from, I assume, a spokesperson in the background on a radio news spot today that we should expect a lot more to come out now that investigations are poised to open up. Kind'a turns the spotlight back on the institution somewhat.

"You should expect more that we've known about but done **** all about".
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John Crace on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ecommendations she had made as home secretary.


Most of the rest of the chamber seemed to side with Cooper. Priti Patel could barely conceal her contempt as she observed that she was still waiting for Braverman to act on recommendations she had made as home secretary.

But it was Harriet Harman who spoke for everyone. She wanted heads to roll. Who dreamed up the regulations that prevented the police from sacking a rapist? And wasn’t it time to say sayonara to the senior managers who had time and again promoted Bastard Dave?
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If you've lost Priti Patel, you're bad
 
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/senior-m...-having-a-secret-room-full-of-child-porn-and/

Senior Met Police officer accused of having a secret room full of child porn and boys' pants 'found dead at home'
18 January 2023, 07:47


Met officers and the police watchdog IOPC launched a joint investigation into Watkinson, and they found the room in a July 2021 raid. The abuse images were Category A and B, meaning the abuse captured was of the worst levels. There was no evidence that he had personally abused any child.
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Chief Inspector
 
I like Marina Hyde's comment:

Perhaps officers could wear badges with their station nicknames to help the public identify the problem ones. Carrick’s nickname was Bastard Dave – though only because he was “mean and cruel”, the Met’s lead for professionalism, Barbara Gray, was at bizarre pains to clarify yesterday. Not because of anything sexual, you know.
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So we had Couzens 'The Rapist'...meet 'Bastard Dave'.


To be investigated by pervert IPOC Mark Rowley.


I mean, when will we hear more of P.C's 'Fingers' Snodgkins, 'Bonecruncher' Fletcher and 'Knuckles' Eccles? Who knew the police had more memorable nicknames than the villains?
 
The PCC for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight was on PM this evening. She kinda answered a couple of queries I had, as a former DBS at the higher level checked person elsewhere in public service, about Carrick: he should have been re-checked on moving jobs, even within the same employer; the checks should, post-Soham, have included the "yellow flag" intelligence about complaints made but not pursued; her force re-check officers at 3 year (IIRC) intervals which would pick up any new information.

The Met didn't do any of that. Admittedly the re-check isn't a statutory requirement, but is "best practice" in a number of forces.

One wonders why.
 
Every cop is to be vetted as if they are new recruits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64319133

I suspect they will find lots of undeclared driving convictions, but not much else, as it would be very hard to be convicted of a serious crime as a cop, without the job finding out.
 
Rolfe said:
It's not so much convictions as previous complaints that need to be looked at.
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David Carrick was complained about 9 times. I get that complaints can be false or exaggerated, but not 9 times. Scotland has the Moorov Doctrine and I think it should be applied to cops who generate multiple complaints. If they show a course of conduct, then discipline them for generating repeated complaints.
 
That's pretty much what I meant. False and exaggerated complaints can happen, but if a single cop is the subject of multiple complaints it should be SOP to look at each one, evaluate the likelihood of its being spurions, and see if there is a pattern there.
 
Nessie said:
On the same day PC David Carrick is sacked after pleading guilty to multiple sex offences, a PC Lee Parker is charged with sexual assault & public indecency & a CHI Richard Watkinson was found dead after failing to attend charging for session of indecent child images.

The trickle is turning into a flood. At least it is evidence the culture is now becoming toxic for the cops, rather than women and children.
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Que?
 
novaphile said:
I was reading it as 'Chief Inspector' Richard Watkinson, not sure where the 'H' would have come from.

It's the kind of typo that I make though, when I'm thinking of a rank and typing the abbreviation and my brain kinda mushes the two together.
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Thanks, we've a lot fewer ranks here in the Gardaí, so I'm not familiar with all the UK cop speak.
 
Where I worked, CHI was the abbreviation for Chief Inspector. DCI is used for Detective Chief Inspector.
 
Nessie said:
Looks like that CHI was sharing child porn images with two retired cops;

https://news.sky.com/story/two-reti...s-relating-to-child-sex-abuse-images-12790331

"Jack Addis, 63, of no fixed address and Jeremy Laxton, 62, from Lincolnshire, will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 9 February.
Both left the Metropolitan Police more than a decade ago."
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How many more cases before the Met stops saying it's "unbelievable".

Also. It shows a (justified) feeling of impunity to have identified himself as an active paedophile to colleagues. I think there are questions to be asked how he did that without giving himself away to at least one colleague who would be disgusted enough to report him.
 
jimbob said:
How many more cases before the Met stops saying it's "unbelievable".

Also. It shows a (justified) feeling of impunity to have identified himself as an active paedophile to colleagues. I think there are questions to be asked how he did that without giving himself away to at least one colleague who would be disgusted enough to report him.
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Yeah the "....Before this matter came to light, we had no previous information about these allegations or to indicate the officer posed any risk to the public. He had not faced any other criminal or conduct matters during his Met career...." really doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Remind me: wasn't there a recent case of a senior police officer who was prosecuted for not reporting dodgy images a family member had forwarded to them?
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Yes, Superintendent Robyn Williams, of the Met, who is still in post and on the sex offenders register.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...land-believe-victim-blaming-myths-study-finds

Is anyone surprised?
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I'm not shocked about the overall prevalence of such attitudes across the police force - I am shocked about the following:

"...The authors said that while the rape myths demonstrated in the study “are not unique […] what is striking is that they were held by officers specifically working on [rape]”...."​

And

..Researchers also found a dire lack of training for specialist officers about rape, with no plans to implement it in the force they examined. ..​

I had - naively I suppose- thought that the specialist investigators would have been different and would have had appropriate and ongoing training.
 
I read a long and damning series of articles about US police forces' failings in this respect. It doesn't seem to be any better this side of the pond.

The main focus of the articles was thousands of "rape kits" - forensic sampling kits used to collect evidence from the victims' bodies soon after the rape, the reason women are told not to shower and have to sit around with the stink of the rapist still on them for hours if not days - were piled in warehouses untested. Just testing a bunch of them revealed clear evidence of several serial rapists, because the same male DNA was turning up time and time again.

That investigation also showed that the police were riddled with "rape myths", particularly that most allegations were false.
 
Darat said:
I'm not shocked about the overall prevalence of such attitudes across the police force - I am shocked about the following:

"...The authors said that while the rape myths demonstrated in the study “are not unique […] what is striking is that they were held by officers specifically working on [rape]”...."​

And

..Researchers also found a dire lack of training for specialist officers about rape, with no plans to implement it in the force they examined. ..​

I had - naively I suppose- thought that the specialist investigators would have been different and would have had appropriate and ongoing training.
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How rape is investigated varies between forces. One of my last jobs in Police Scotland was a report for HMICS into provision of services regarding the protection of children (which can be up to 18 years old), for which I was given free access to a division's Public Protection Unit, which if that was not specialist enough was split into departments to investigate rape & serious sex offences, monitor sex offenders and investigate domestic violence and even specialists in honour based violence (which sadly often affects children). The divisional unit could also call upon the expertise of a national rape investigation unit, who would assist in or take over serial rapists whose crimes crossed boundaries.

The rape investigation unit were well aware of issues around rape myths, victim blaming, false allegations etc and were miles ahead of what I had seen earlier in my career. Someone raped in Scotland will get a level of service miles ahead of what I read in that report.
 
Rolfe said:
I read a long and damning series of articles about US police forces' failings in this respect. It doesn't seem to be any better this side of the pond.

The main focus of the articles was thousands of "rape kits" - forensic sampling kits used to collect evidence from the victims' bodies soon after the rape, the reason women are told not to shower and have to sit around with the stink of the rapist still on them for hours if not days - were piled in warehouses untested. Just testing a bunch of them revealed clear evidence of several serial rapists, because the same male DNA was turning up time and time again.

That investigation also showed that the police were riddled with "rape myths", particularly that most allegations were false.
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The division where I worked (I am sure this is true across Scotland), converted a small police office that was due to be closed, into a specialist suit, where victims could be taken and all the forensic work done, away from anyone else and get their clothing, do the evidence gathering and get the victim washed and in new clothes, within a few hours.

Where did your claim evidence gathered was left piled in warehouses and not tested come from? The rape evidence gathered went straight to the labs for DNA testing & results back in hours, days at the most.
 
It was some time ago that I read it, but it should come up on Google. From what I remember it was about one state where they were seriously trying to do something about this, and even then arguably just scratching the surface. Other states weren't even trying.

ETA: When I googled there were so many articles that I couldn't easily find the actual ones I was referring to.
 
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Rolfe said:
It was some time ago that I read it, but it should come up on Google. From what I remember it was about one state where they were seriously trying to do something about this, and even then arguably just scratching the surface. Other states weren't even trying.

ETA: When I googled there were so many articles that I couldn't easily find the actual ones I was referring to.
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The more I read, the more Scotland stands out as being a centre of excellence for the investigation of rape and other sex or domestic, family crimes.
 
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