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The Behavior Of US Police Officers - Part 3

You'd have more of a point if 'cop' was something you could just be, socially, and not a job you clock in to, with expectations an' ◊◊◊◊.
 
So would those I'm objecting to.

But again, it was more a passing annoyance at posters who know exactly Jack ◊◊◊◊ about American policing making broad sweeping statements about them as a whole, coupled with the downright comical hypocrisy of what a "real" cop should do when a suspect raises a knife to them.
 
You mean like not shoot the suspect directly through a baby? How dare.
Ya, the wannabe murderer keeping her baby in front of her was surely what motivated the cop to carefully position his shot to kill the baby too. Kudos to him for setting that up so precisely in the split second he had as a knife came plunging down at his face.

Eta: and I was told by many posters from a variety of continents that if a violent suspect raises a knife and lunges at you, you are cleared to ventilate their asses, and you get medals for it.

Unless it's an American cop, of course. Thats different.
 
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(...) was surely what motivated the cop to carefully position his shot to kill the baby too. Kudos to him for setting that up so precisely in the split second he had (...)
Yes, we can all describe things with hyperbole if we want. But he did know the baby was there, and he did shoot, and he did shoot the baby.
 
Yes, we can all describe things with hyperbole if we want. But he did know the baby was there, and he did shoot, and he did shoot the baby.
And yes, that's the worst possible outcome, that that cop has to live with. I'd put it at near 100% certainty that when the knife went up and came at his face, he didn't even think about the baby being there. He instinctively stopped himself from being killed. That was 100% on the mother for putting her own baby in the middle of her murder attempt, not the cops.
 
If only there were some none lethal methods for dealing with the situation.
 
If only there were some none lethal methods for dealing with the situation.
Well, we all wish we lived in unicorn-fairytale land, but here in the the Real World(tm) there are only two solutions: gun and/or asphyxiation.

Nothing else is possible.


ETA: a peeve of mine, which may well be an autocorrect thing - non, not none. Seems to have been cropping up more frequently recently.
 
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neither "he shot the baby on purpose" nor "he had no other options but to shoot the baby or get killed" are usefully truthy statements. "At the moment he fired, he saw no other options but to shoot and risk killing the baby or get killed" is probably the most true, least damning way to put it.
 
neither "he shot the baby on purpose" nor "he had no other options but to shoot the baby or get killed" are usefully truthy statements. "At the moment he fired, he saw no other options but to shoot and risk killing the baby or get killed" is probably the most true, least damning way to put it.
Probably the most accurate thing that could be said is "a man who was mentally, emotionally and intellectually unsuitable for the job, or for handling weapons, was put into a situation where he could do the most harm".

Whether or not he delibately murdered mother and child is beside the loint, because he did the deed.
 
DEA agent’s charges dropped after immunity ruling for deadly Salem crash with cyclist

SALEM Ore. (KPTV) - A federal judge has dropped the homicide charges against a DEA agent in the death of a Salem cyclist.

This deadly crash happened nearly two years ago on March 2, 2023, when DEA Agent Samuel Landis was on duty in Salem and ran a stop sign on a surveillance mission, hitting and killing cyclist Marganne Allen, a 53-year-old wife and mother of two.

What followed was a back-and-forth legal battle in both state and federal court as to whether Landis should face charges.

But on Thursday, federal judge Michael McShane issued his final ruling, granting Landis federal immunity for any consequences surrounding the crash.

In the ruling, the judge says the facts were undisputed that Landis ran the stop sign while on duty.

Home surveillance video obtained by FOX 12 Investigates of the moments leading up to the crash shows just that.

But in the ruling, the judge referenced a Supreme Court case from 125 years ago, which says any federal agent is immune from state criminal or civil penalties while performing their federal duties.
 
Exclusive: Body cam shows St. Louis officers walk away from man found shot, still breathing in Forest Park

ST. LOUIS, Mo. (First Alert 4) - First Alert 4 Investigates has obtained body camera footage showing two St. Louis Metropolitan Police (SLMPD) officers walking away from a still-breathing victim of a gunshot wound to the head because they did not want to take the call.

The footage contains the body camera video of several responding officers throughout their response to the incident. Law enforcement experts said the inaction of the first two officers is in stark contrast to the actions of the others on-scene. First Alert 4 is choosing to name only the officers accused of “reckless disregard” by the state.

The footage from Sept. 10, 2023, shows the response by former St. Louis Metropolitan Police officers Austin Fraser and Ty Warren to a 911 call placed by Urayoan Rodriguez-Rivera saying he planned to take his own life. First Alert 4 Investigates found the cases of Warren and Fraser this fall through a routine search of administrative hearing commission filings. A reporter’s open records request filed in October for body camera footage from the incident was fulfilled on December 18.

Warren’s body camera recorded the incident. Fraser’s did not, though the reason is unclear.

At 6:26 p.m. on the date Rodriguez-Rivera took his life, the officers discovered him beneath a tree on the east side of Forest Park, still breathing with a gunshot wound to the head. Warren can be heard telling Fraser that Rodriguez-Rivera is still alive and that they need to transport him.

“We need to take this (expletive) then,” Warren tells his partner.

Fraser replied that they would not take the call because his shift ended in 30 minutes.

“We aren’t taking this (expletive),” Fraser responds. “I get off in 30 minutes. Let’s cruise around and come back.”

Rodriguez-Rivera later died at the hospital. The St. Louis Medical Examiner’s Office determined the death a suicide by gunshot to the head. It was later discovered he left a note and paid his share of the rest of the year’s rent before taking his own life.

That's some fine police work there, boys! I hope these jerks never work as police again, but they probably will get hired somewhere.
 
Yeesh. At least these guys were just jerks. I can imagine a person having a lack of empathy for a suicide in progress. That DEA agent killed a bystander, and with what repurcussions?
 
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So US cops are trained as murderous psychopaths? I didn't think even your cou trt was that insane.
We are a country that finds it acceptable to shoot someone to death for throwing popcorn at you in a movie theater. You should see all the great keepsakes people used to get at lynching. Being at a lynching could be a great windfall for the photographer people loved the pictures of the dead black people. You think far to highly of americans.
 
Yeesh. At least these guys were just jerks. I can imagine a person having a lack of empathy for a suicide in progress. That DEA agent killed a bystander, and with what repurcussions?
All the trauma of killing someone, like how we treat accidental discharges that kill kids. Killing someone is its own punishment we don't need the law to get involved. Legalize murder it is really the only sensible thing to do.
 
I don't THINK this one has been covered here yet:
Police in Kentucky come across a residence with a house fire. A man living there and his adult son are attempting to put out the fire. The police, naturally, proceed to demand that the residents immediately stop keeping the elder man's house from burning down. When the pair refuse, the police tase the man and beat him to a bloody pulp; and arrest both.

Bodycam footage of the incident (warning: violence and gore)

The police initially claim that they were assaulted and threatened by the man and his son. Leading to the local district court charging the pair with several counts of assault, endangerment of police officers, and menacing.

Case then gets taken before a grand jury, who proceed to watch the bodycam footage; then drop all charges against father and son and instead indict one of the arresting officers.
 
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I don't THINK this one has been covered here yet:
Police in Kentucky come across a residence with a house fire. A man living there and his adult son are attempting to put out the fire. The police, naturally, proceed to demand that the residents immediately stop keeping the elder man's house from burning down. When the pair refuse, the police tase the man and beat him to a bloody pulp; and arrest both.

Bodycam footage of the incident (warning: violence and gore)

The police initially claim that they were assaulted and threatened by the man and his son. Leading to the local district court charging the pair with several counts of assault, endangerment of police officers, and menacing.

Case then gets taken before a grand jury, who proceed to watch the bodycam footage; then drop all charges against father and son and instead indict one of the arresting officers.
If police can’t beat innocent people to a pulp how on earth are they going to recruit new police?
 
Here's a particularly disgusting example of a DEA agent attempting to find cash to steal through Civil Asset Forfeiture. Fortunately in this case no injuries occurred and no life savings were seized; though they did force the victim to consent to an otherwise illegal search and lose a potentially costly plane ticket.

On the plus side, rumor has it that the DOJ has put a stop to these searches in the past month or so; though I do not know the specifics. At least until the new administration decides to dismantle any marginally reasonable policy.
 
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State hit with $12M judgment after rookie trooper arrests stroke victim

An Essex County jury has handed down a $11.5 million verdict against a New Jersey State Police trooper who mistook a motorist’s stroke for inebriation and arrested her, delaying medical treatment so long she’s now permanently disabled.

Cheryl Rhines of Jersey City was on her way to work in October 2017 when she began feeling ill and pulled to the shoulder of a highway in Newark, according to the lawsuit her mother later filed.

The responding state trooper, Jennifer Albuja, misinterpreted Rhines’ failure to respond to commands, communicate coherently, or stand upright as intoxication — even though Albuja found no smell or sign of substance use and Rhines had facial drooping and other signs of a stroke, was dressed in business attire at 8 a.m. on a weekday, and had no prior offenses, her lawsuit says.

Albuja failed to get Rhines treatment at a hospital 5 minutes away and instead searched her car and hauled her, handcuffed, to the state police’s Somerville station, delaying treatment by two and half hours, according to the complaint.

A sergeant at the station finally called EMTs, but troopers still left Rhines shackled on the floor even after they determined she was in medical distress, her attorney, Dennis M. Donnelly, told the New Jersey Monitor.

Rhines spent nearly two weeks in the hospital and another month in a rehabilitation center, her lawsuit says.

Now 56, she had to leave her job as an event planner and move in with her mother in Nashville because she’s unable to speak or understand what people say to her — a language disorder called global aphasia that’s caused by stroke-related brain damage, Donnelly said.

“Her work life and her abilities to live as a normal human being are over,” he said.
 
I think it would not be the first time an inability to talk or follow impossible orders was seen as refusal and insubordination.
In one of these threads, I posted a case in Colorado from...2012 I think...where police literally tried to beat an unconscious man (who was in a diabetic coma) into submission.
 
I think it would not be the first time an inability to talk or follow impossible orders was seen as refusal and insubordination.
II distinctly remember this case of an elderly deaf man... When the officer says, "oh ◊◊◊◊", he knew he messed up.
 
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