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"The Arabs are a failed culture who produce nothing"

Hercules56

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Friend of mine believes that the Arabs are a failed, dysfunctional culture who can produce nothing and do produce nothing but oil, and have no achievements. Nobody respects and they dont even respect themselves.

Is he right or wrong?

I believe he is wrong and will prove so here.
 
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Egypt appears to export several billion dollars worth of cotton, clothing and agricultural products.

Lebanon exports lots of jewelry and jewel raw materials, food and beverages.

Syria exports lots of raw crops and food products.
 
Egypt appears to export several billion dollars worth of cotton, clothing and agricultural products.

Lebanon exports lots of jewelry and jewel raw materials, food and beverages.

Syria exports lots of raw crops and food products.

There you go, asked and answered.

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Algeria exports lots of consumer goods and cars.

Morocco sends a significant amount of its exports to the European Union. Of its E.U. exports in 2018, 42% went to Spain and 29% went to France. Its main exports to Spain include electronics, clothes, and seafood.
 
Arabs produce nothing but oil? Proven false, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Failed culture? Most Arabs live in peace, their societies thrive, they produce literature, art, tv, radio programs. They contribute to scientific research and archeaology.
 
Friend of mine believes that the Arabs are a failed, dysfunctional culture who can produce nothing and do produce nothing but oil, and have no achievements.

Is he right or wrong?

I believe he is wrong and will prove so here.

Congratulations you are friends with a racist.
 
Now I disagree with your friend, but whether they produce oil or cotton or opium, has nothing to do with the culture in either sense of the world. It's whatever their country it's rich in or otherwise can produce.

E.g., Russian culture isn't why Russia exports oil. If you had transported a Russian village to Nauru back when it had phosphate deposits, they'd have produced phosphates instead, because that's what that island HAS. Or Germany took a lot of Russian slaves in WW2, and some got moved all the way to the other side of Germany. They didn't just start producing oil.

Same for Arabs. Just because some came as refugees to various EU countries, didn't make those countries suddenly produce oil.
 
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Algeria exports lots of consumer goods and cars.

Bwhahahahahaha!

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/cars/reporter/dza

They export less than $1 million in cars in 2022. They import almost $860 million in 2022. But let's see if we can find out a bit more about what sort of cars they're exporting.

https://www.volza.com/p/cars/export/export-from-algeria/

They export used cars and car tires. Quite the advanced manufacturing economy they've got there.
 
I didn't realize cultures get performance evaluations.

I'd say failed cultures are those that cease to exist. It'll happen eventually to all of them, but some of them have pretty good run times.
 
I didn't realize cultures get performance evaluations.

I'd say failed cultures are those that cease to exist. It'll happen eventually to all of them, but some of them have pretty good run times.

A failed culture would also be one that simply cannot function on their own and require massive foreign intervention to feed the people and keep society functioning. They produce nothing and export nothing. No literature, no art, no science. The Arabs surely do not qualify for these conditions.
 
As for why some countries mainly produce raw resources and otherwise lag behind, you may want to look into what's called the "paradox of plenty", or "resource curse". See also, "Dutch disease".

Countries with an abundance of natural resources (such as fossil fuels and certain minerals) have lower economic growth, lower rates of democracy, or poorer development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources. They also lag in other domains even in the economy. It affected not just the Arabs, but also countries like Argentina, or in recent decades, Russia.

Even in Europe, a big (and largely unknown by the general public) brake on progress until the industrial revolution was that agriculture was so much more profitable. Poland for example, with its vast fertile fields, was hit particularly hard by that when much later the grain prices dropped.

Or even in Arab countries, before oil, they were sat smack in the middle of the silk road, and other choke points on the trade roads. Trade was a disproportionately higher source of income than anything else, so that's how they did. And were predictably hit HARD when the Portuguese figured out how to bypass some of that, and the Ming (mostly) closed the silk road when they went isolationist.

What I'm saying is that a lot of that has nothing to do with culture, it's just about economic and geopolitical stuff.
 
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The population of the Arab world is around half a billion. Surely there are some more robust contributions that could be proven than "some of them make some trivial things in addition to oil"?
 
The population of the Arab world is around half a billion. Surely there are some more robust contributions that could be proven than "some of them make some trivial things in addition to oil"?

Define "trivial"?

Does this also apply to eastern Europe and Russia, or just the Arabs?

VAST majority of Russian exports are oil and minerals.
 
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Define "trivial"?

Better yet, define how much production is going on. "Egypt exports cotton" doesn't really mean anything. Are they producing a substantial part of the global market, or just a small niche Egyptian linen that they sell at Macy's?

Does this also apply to eastern Europe and Russia, or just the Arabs?

VAST majority of Russian exports are oil and minerals.

Just Arabs. If we were counting Russia for whatever reason we'd have said "Arabs and Russians".
 
they produce literature

Yes, some. But disproportionately far behind the west. Government censorship and a culture that doesn't really value freedom of speech make publishing much harder than in the west.

They contribute to scientific research and archeaology.

Archeology, sure. There are a lot of archeological sites in the Middle East, so no surprise. Being there has a massive advantage.

But science in general? Yeah, no. Nobody does any significant amount of physics, chemistry, or biology research in the Arab world. There are Arabs who do significant scientific research outside the Arab world. So for example, Ahmed Zewail was a nobel prize-winning Egyptian chemist. But where did he work? Not in Egypt, but in the USA.

It's not the individual people, it's the culture.
 
Does this also apply to eastern Europe and Russia, or just the Arabs?

It absolutely applies to Russia. Russia is indeed a failing culture.

Eastern Europe? It's a mixed bag (Belarus is Eastern European, but so is Poland). You may have noticed, but a lot of Eastern European countries have made massive economic advances once they were able to throw off the shackles of Soviet domination.
 
They sure do seem to be good at producing terrorist organizations.

And the bigotry begins.

Meanwhile Europeans have created some terrible terrorist organizations too.

The KKK, Neo-Nazis, IRA, ETA, militias, etc etc.
 
The blanket generalization that ALL Arab societies are failed, dysfunctional cultures that produce nothing but oil, that nobody respect and they dont even respect themselves, is indeed pure irrational and ignorant bigotry. Straight out of the mouths of the KKK, Hitler, etc.
 
I think you are conflating "culture" with "nation" there.

I think the OP question and proofs thus far make no sense at all. A cynic might say that the OP was making the point that Arabian culture contributes little of significance, but in a highly indirect way.
 
I think the OP question and proofs thus far make no sense at all. A cynic might say that the OP was making the point that Arabian culture contributes little of significance, but in a highly indirect way.

You have to admit that 9/11 was a pretty spectacular innovation. A new kind of hijacking that revolutionized the hijacking industry.
 
I think the OP question and proofs thus far make no sense at all. A cynic might say that the OP was making the point that Arabian culture contributes little of significance, but in a highly indirect way.

Arab culture and societies seem to contribute no more or less to the world than your average European society.

Yet for some reason the bigots here want to call the Arabs a "failed culture".
 
Culture and nation are intertwined. A failed culture= a failed state.

Dude, those are not equal in either meaning of the word "culture".

Not to mention that even by your previous messages, what you'd consider a failed culture is NOT the same as what's defined as a failed state. And the latter has NOTHING to do with what you export.

A "failed state" is one that is significantly failing to enforce its laws and provide the government services to its citizens. Even North Korea doesn't qualify as a failed state, even though the only thing it exported in the last decade was some of its old ammo in exchange for grain. If you want "failed state", look at Somalia. Or, I guess, China during its warlords period or the Three Kingdoms period.
 
You have to admit that 9/11 was a pretty spectacular innovation. A new kind of hijacking that revolutionized the hijacking industry.

It sure revolutionized when you have to get to the airport, and reminded suburban dads not to carry a Swiss army knife in your back pocket when flying.
 
You have to admit that 9/11 was a pretty spectacular innovation. A new kind of hijacking that revolutionized the hijacking industry.

The Europeans invented genocide factories. Truly an amazing contribution to warfare.
 
The Europeans invented genocide factories. Truly an amazing contribution to warfare.

And even that didn't come even close to the starvation and even cannibalism in China's Three Kingdoms period, which saw its population drop by THREE QUARTERS, as well as about 20% reduction in the WORLD's total population. That's not just army casualties, it's the drop in the TOTAL population. Or tribal endemic warfare could and routinely would mean that 1/3 of all males would die violently in tribal conflicts. (And even more women would be kidnapped and raped.)

Trust me, WW2 isn't even within the same order of magnitude.

So your point is?
 
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The Europeans invented genocide factories. Truly an amazing contribution to warfare.

The genocide factories had nothing to do with warfare. As for mass genocide in war, the Chinese have prior art. The Mongols too. And even in that context, 9/11 is still a revolutionary twist on hijacking in modern terrorism.

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Also, I'm not sure that citing Europeans as the bigger achievers in any category is actually going to help your thesis at all.

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Also, I'm pretty sure "Bin Laden wasn't as bad as Hitler" isn't going to do your thesis any favors either.
 
The genocide factories had nothing to do with warfare. As for mass genocide in war, the Chinese have prior art. The Mongols too. And even in that context, 9/11 is still a revolutionary twist on hijacking in modern terrorism.

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Also, I'm not sure that citing Europeans as the bigger achievers in any category is actually going to help your thesis at all.

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Also, I'm pretty sure "Bin Laden wasn't as bad as Hitler" isn't going to do your thesis any favors either.

So you want us to simply believe you, that the Arabs are a failed culture, just cuz you say so?

Sorry, but intelligent, rational people don't accept such bigoted bull ****. MAGA, KKK and Neo-Nazis might, you should try convincing one of those forums.
 
Arab people have an incredibly rich history, and their young population gives them a dynamic and vibrant culture.

But more fundamentally: would having "a failed culture that produces nothing" be a reason or excuse to treat Arabs as less than any other people ?
Would it justify destroying their cultural heritage and enforcing our cultural norms on them?
 
Arab culture and societies seem to contribute no more or less to the world than your average European society.

Are you comparing cultural Arabs or geographic ones? Because "average European society" throws a huge curve ball at what we are supposed to be comparing.

Yet for some reason the bigots here want to call the Arabs a "failed culture".

I dunno. They can speak for themselves if they want to. What I'm asking about are your proofs that you say you are setting out to prove. So far, a bunch of small exports from individual nations. I think that's an incredibly small proof.
 
Friend of mine believes that the Arabs are a failed, dysfunctional culture who can produce nothing and do produce nothing but oil, and have no achievements. Nobody respects and they dont even respect themselves.

Is he right or wrong?

I believe he is wrong and will prove so here.


Algebra?
 
Are you comparing cultural Arabs or geographic ones? Because "average European society" throws a huge curve ball at what we are supposed to be comparing.



I dunno. They can speak for themselves if they want to. What I'm asking about are your proofs that you say you are setting out to prove. So far, a bunch of small exports from individual nations. I think that's an incredibly small proof.

Billions of dollars in exports is not "small".

Never mind their literature, food, and functional societies.

Stop trying to justify racism.
 
@Hercules56
So basically, you don't address anything actually relating to culture, you don't even comparatively support your exports claims in any meaningful way (e.g., per capita), you don't want to address any objections... you just wanted to troll so you can have an ego-wank about seeing yourself being oh so anti-racist? :p

No one has provided any evidence so far that Arab culture is "failed" and they contribute nothing to the world besides oil.
 

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