Taking your Soul back....

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c4ts said:


I'm afraid those questions are circular reasoning.

"Is God real?" is fine. "What is God?" is fine. "Which God?" is unusual, because it doesn't seem to relate to "Is God real?" in a monotheistic sense. "Why should we worship him and how?" is the problem, because it implies "is God real?" was answered with "yes," it also requires that "what is god?" was partially answered with "a male that should be worshipped in some way or another." "The point?" refers to the point of worship, which assumes that there now is a way to worship the existing God, but that way may or may not have a point. Since, you've already answered your questions, why bother asking them? You have no knowedge to gain for yourself, just a re-affirmation of your belief at best, which is not likely at this forum unless you ignore or try to refute each response. Sadly, the rest of your post makes about as much sense to me as the end of a Chick tract, and seems to have equal footing in reality. But I could be wrong.




Emotions are common to all living things, not specifically part of human nature, as our desire to understand our surroundings and our tendency to band together. You say we do not settle down by natural means, and try to treat a desire to understand (a drive to look for "something else," presumably a means of explanation that is not immediately at hand) as some sort of emotion. But emotions appear to be common to all animals, whereas the desire to understand does not, although it may be the cause of emotions. Also, we do appear to settle down by natural means, if not in cities, at least in tribes or factions. Furthermore, it would seem that human nature to worship or treasure someone would have this effect on our species, if you say that it is also human nature to defend who or what what they worship or treasure.


Now you are confusing mythology with the truth. Truth is, we don't know what happened before this exact second, but we have so much evidence provided by things we call "memory," "archaeology," "written history," and "anthropology," all of which seem to be consistent with one another. They may not be exact, they may even be lies, but since they are coherent and provide something which we skeptics call
"evidence," they are somewhat more valid than myth or conjecture, which may also be lies. In order to claim the Athens of Ancient Greece existed, something like the Parthenon or Acropolis is used to support that claim in conjunction with the writings of the so-called "Ancient Greeks" that are still available (and that's not even the bare minimum according to some). If you wanted to assume that Adam and Eve were true, you'd need something like God's giant flaming sword that turns every which way to cast the man out of Eden, and maybe some cherubim at the gate. Nobody has found anything that conclusive regarding that story, but look at all the stuff we found in Greece.


Those customs seem unrelated the way you describe them. Different countries have different rituals. There's more than one religion. So what?

Nope. Love is not necessarily reciprocating. I learned that from experience. Sometimes you find you love someone else more, or that you never really loved your girlfriend anyway, or that feeling you had that you said was gonna last forever didn't after all the awkward high school sex, or you realize you two really just hate each other, so the relationship is terminated in a way that is not depressing. But since it's just a statement of experience, it's no more valid than what you said.


So you are basically saying that theism causes immorality. You've also assumed that similar syllables in different languages have exactly the same meaning. There's an english word "see,"
and a Spanish word "ci." The similarity has no more meaning than "Bezebul" or whatever you want to call it because you want to accuse the Hindus of worshipping "Belzebub." And who the hell worships statues these days anyway? Isolated North African and Micronesian tribes? Also, these things are trivial compared to what Christians have done in the name of their god for ages. Why aren't they mentioned?


You've already answered your initial questions for yourself. Also, the concept of God is exactly that: a concept. If there are multiple gods in existence, the "one true god" of monotheism is a lie, because all those gods you mentioned cannot be gods, yet you first postulated their existence as gods, and it is unreasonable to negate your own postulate.



"Love" does not include imposing your beliefs on others. Imposing your beliefs on others has another name: "biggotry." If your religion is constructed so that love equals biggotry, then it is unlikely that your God is anywere near "true." I remind you that no amount of belief can change fact, and that your god is (in your own style of capitalization) NOT FACT (I remind you that I am not using sophist logic, that "not fact" does not necessarily mean "false.") For, if your god were fact, then belief or disbelief would make no difference to him, since a) his laws would be natural and universal b) there is no need to demand obedience for laws which you involuntarily "obey" (you can discuss that with Franko). By your example, it appears that "God" is really just a way to pretend to know how things work so you can stop questioning and get on with your warm and fuzzy life. No knowledge of God is real knowledge. No amount of belief amounts to any knowledge whatsoever. Man desires knowledge, and knowledge really exists. Man turns to God, man does not recieve knowledge, he gets sophistry from people like you. He just feels happy in his oblivion toward the world and his attitude toward God anyway, man never realizes what he's missed out on before he dies. He has only questioned as far as how to do his job and what to think when he's not doing his job. And by the way, based on the world at hand, intuition or feeling has no effect whatsoever on a 50/50 situation such as Pascal's little wager, and the existence of things such as human imagination stack the odds against the fool who knows what God is, for if there is some sort of God, it may have nothing to do with what you "know". And accusing other gods of being false isn't going to help you at all if one of them turns out to be real and not yours, and since other gods outnumber yours, the probability favors any god but yours. (For example, assuming there is a god, and there are 10 possible gods, you have a 9 in 10 chance of being wrong, and if you insult all other possible gods by calling them false, you have a 9 in 10 chance of being poorly recieved by that god. But I suppose probability doesn't matter to the believer until it's too late.)

And, just to warn you, if you make a bunch of random claims on this board and don't provide evidence while assuming you right, or even make the attempt to use logic to support those claims, you may recieve the honorable title of
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First of all, lets not get into detail with "atheists" are smarter than christians. That primitive lie isnt going anywhere here (especially when yur talking to me). 99% of universities are founded by christians (princeton,harvard,ucdavis,etc.). So dont even go there, and even your Einstein guy is a pantheism (who believes God is the nature and order of things.) And dont even try to quote some of his to say he's an atheist from the jesuit priests view.... HOW MANY UNIVERSITIES FOUNDED BY AN ATHEIST? 1? 2? LOL... HOW MANY ATHEIST PRESIDENTS AND SENATORS? 1? 2? LOL, oh is it the vote? Of course, people can recognize the real ignorant one..

Now going back to the emotions, I am completely aware that the only difference between the human species and the animals is that we have higher intelligence, thats it. But from there, our brain can detect colors, identify smell, produce more chemicals (which can effect in STRONGER emotons.). I am aware that when I leave, my dog feels emotional and will cry. I am aware that when I corrected my dog for doing wrong, it learns and gains the emotions of fear (For all I know they could have a conscience, who knows, I believe they do.)

So what makes us different from animals is the higher intelligence, from there we can learn from the "God given WORD". "My words are spirit and life"- Jesus. "The mind is the seat of wisdom". And I certainly dont think a chimpanzee is capable of that level of intelligence. I cant picture a bishop Chimpanzee. But of course if they evolve into that higher intelligence (like us) millions of yrs from now, hey they can be baptized too and bcome christian.. :) LOL

In case if your ignorant about the word "soul" (and u must be;it seemed like it). everything that lives have a soul that gives them life, from rocks, to plants, to animals, to humans (so what do u call the "energy" that gives rock its life? bio-chemical sub-atomic monosodium glutamate particle? Is that the scientific name for a "soul"?). but only the human species have a soul in which made a covenant with God, being above all the animals species and the rest of the animal kingdom; A FACT.

note: Your very strange, u act like you red my post, but dont see what I typed, I dont think u read it, and if u didnt red it dont act like u did ok?.. U said above who the heck worships statuies nowadays? Maybe you, and millions of others, the rappers, etc. Willing to sacrifice their life for a car with nice grills, wwilling to lose their marriage for it, willing to kill for it, willing to loose their respect for human kind to obtain it (materialism) it comes in many form child........
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And one more thing, about the flaming sword that swings back and forth in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Dragon in Revelation, etc. its all symbolic and parables....

You certainly are very primitive in this topic, and because I realized there are many people like you here (gosh ignorant 40 yrs old, can u believe that?) then Im gonna start another post to DEBUNK your pathetic so-called bible contradiction MYTH......
 
First of all, lets not get into detail with "atheists" are smarter than christians. That primitive lie isnt going anywhere here (especially when yur talking to me). 99% of universities are founded by christians (princeton,harvard,ucdavis,etc.). So dont even go there, and even your Einstein guy is a pantheism (who believes God is the nature and order of things.) And dont even try to quote some of his to say he's an atheist from the jesuit priests view.... HOW MANY UNIVERSITIES FOUNDED BY AN ATHEIST? 1? 2? LOL... HOW MANY ATHEIST PRESIDENTS AND SENATORS? 1? 2? LOL, oh is it the vote? Of course, people can recognize the real ignorant one..

You bring up countless witnesses, Gorgias.

Just becasue you're smarter than I am doesn't make you right. Also: http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/iqstats.html

In case if your ignorant about the word "soul" (and u must be;it seemed like it). everything that lives have a soul that gives them life, from rocks, to plants, to animals, to humans (so what do u call the "energy" that gives rock its life? bio-chemical sub-atomic monosodium glutamate particle? Is that the scientific name for a "soul"?). but only the human species have a soul in which made a covenant with God, being above all the animals species and the rest of the animal kingdom; A FACT.

If I said that the soul is a sort of quality (like "sourness") that distinguishes a living thing from a nonliving thing, is that a demonstration of ignorance? All humans have souls, so do all plants, animals, and other organisms, including bacteria. I could even say that viruses have a sort of proto-soul or pseudo-soul.

The soul is not proof of the existence of God. You just have some sort of weird assumption that the soul is the spirit.
 
U said above who the heck worships statuies nowadays? Maybe you, and millions of others, the rappers, etc. Willing to sacrifice their life for a car with nice grills, wwilling to lose their marriage for it, willing to kill for it, willing to loose their respect for human kind to obtain it (materialism) it comes in many form child........

You make a great deal of accusations as if your convictions made things true, which they don't. Apparently have difficulty understanding what worship really is. Emulation, fandom, materialism, devotion, and general appreciation, are not the same as worship, although worship may sometimes include them. Just becasue you're willing to kill for something does not mean you worship it. Worship involves ritual and usually prayer. Also, worship does not usually have literal targets. Buddhists worship Buddha, meaning they contemplate the teachings of Buddha and follow his advice, they do not worship those statues you see in Chinese restaurants. Christians worship Jesus, they do not worship the t-shaped thingy you see at every church. The ancient Greeks worshipped their gods, not the statues representing their gods. The statues were part of their ritual, they were not the target of worship. You should get to know some people who are what you call idoleters. Instead of trying to convert them, I suggest you find out why they do what they do, and then see for yourself if it is wrong or not.
 
And one more thing, about the flaming sword that swings back and forth in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Dragon in Revelation, etc. its all symbolic and parables....

And so are Adam and Eve. So are Cain and Abel. So is Abraham. So is Isaac. So is Gog. So is Magog. So is Gabriel (etc)...
 
You certainly are very primitive in this topic, and because I realized there are many people like you here (gosh ignorant 40 yrs old, can u believe that?) then Im gonna start another post to DEBUNK your pathetic so-called bible contradiction MYTH......

You mean I told a story somewhere?

You're 40? You mean practically half your life is over, and you're wasting time on silly things like trying to convince skeptics through rhetoric???

Have you even lived for a day?

Do you really think you know everything when it appears you comprehend almost nothing? Haven't you even wondered why you were alive in the first place? Have you even contemplated the mysteries of death, or did you just assume that since someone told you there was Heaven and Hell, that they were correct? What did you want out of life? Happiness or the truth?

I'm sorry I was a bit harsh, but if you're really 40, and you're here bothering skeptics, that's just... unhealthy. :( If you really think this is love, and that you are trying to help us, I seriously reccomend that you see a psychologist or something. I don't see how you can really be content with your life if you are taking your convictions out on others like the people at this message board.
 
c4ts said:


You make a great deal of accusations as if your convictions made things true, which they don't. Apparently have difficulty understanding what worship really is. Emulation, fandom, materialism, devotion, and general appreciation, are not the same as worship, although worship may sometimes include them. Just becasue you're willing to kill for something does not mean you worship it. Worship involves ritual and usually prayer. Also, worship does not usually have literal targets. Buddhists worship Buddha, meaning they contemplate the teachings of Buddha and follow his advice, they do not worship those statues you see in Chinese restaurants. Christians worship Jesus, they do not worship the t-shaped thingy you see at every church. The ancient Greeks worshipped their gods, not the statues representing their gods. The statues were part of their ritual, they were not the target of worship. You should get to know some people who are what you call idoleters. Instead of trying to convert them, I suggest you find out why they do what they do, and then see for yourself if it is wrong or not.

Thats why u need to read the paragraphs above before making comments about it and acting like u read it when the fact is u didnt (unless of course yur a complete dummy.).

If I idolize Arnold Schwarzenneger, I desire to be big like Him, talk like him, wear clothes the way he wears it, and get buff like him, etc. And from yur paragraphs above, your calling these "Worship"...YOUR SELF-CONTRADICTORY...(theres a thin line, Im about to call u names but not yet..).

Or if I idolize a car, sometimes I check it everymorning. If I own a very nice car (GTO classics,whatever) and someone tried to rob it and I have a gun, I am willing to pull the triger and kill him so I can keep my idol...
What is prayer? Prayer is talking to god(s), preaching is talking about god(s). We make songs dedicated for God, we call this praise and worship..
We do the same, rappers make songs dedicated to cars with nice grills "Cadillca grills, etc."- Ludacris. Or the beach boys made a song in the 50's about GTO's.
I know few guys who would talk to their car and say "I love u baby" and say to their friends "This is my baby"... An emotional expression of their heart........

I SEE NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP GOLDEN STATUES THEN, TO MATERIALISTIC PEOPLE TODAY. MURDER, SONGS, STEALING, ETC. ARE THE FRUITS OF THESE WORSHIP....
 
c4ts said:


And so are Adam and Eve. So are Cain and Abel. So is Abraham. So is Isaac. So is Gog. So is Magog. So is Gabriel (etc)...

Thats right, thats why there is an authority who have the right to interpret the bible, HMM I WONDER WHERE THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN FROM!!!

THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN, IF MARTIN LUTHER IS STILL ALIVE TODAY, HE WILL BE SUED FOR PUBLISHING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE RIGHTFULL OWNER....And stealing is a sin..

Thats why the world is confused, who can interpret it? some take this literally, others didnt...
 
c4ts said:


You mean I told a story somewhere?

You're 40? You mean practically half your life is over, and you're wasting time on silly things like trying to convince skeptics through rhetoric???

Have you even lived for a day?

Do you really think you know everything when it appears you comprehend almost nothing? Haven't you even wondered why you were alive in the first place? Have you even contemplated the mysteries of death, or did you just assume that since someone told you there was Heaven and Hell, that they were correct? What did you want out of life? Happiness or the truth?

I'm sorry I was a bit harsh, but if you're really 40, and you're here bothering skeptics, that's just... unhealthy. :( If you really think this is love, and that you are trying to help us, I seriously reccomend that you see a psychologist or something. I don't see how you can really be content with your life if you are taking your convictions out on others like the people at this message board.

I have done all that, and Im smart enough to know that God exist......

Its so easy to be stupid, I mean its so easy to be skeptic. Prove to me you exist? How do I know your not a computer program? Designed to entertain us for financial gain?

Hopw do I know scientist wasnt lying and just fooling all of us into thinking that blackhole exist? Pictures? It could be computer generated. Telescopes? How do I know what I see is not a blackhole but something else? I can be so sketic all the way, and I am skeptic, BUT A SKEPTIC WITH COMMON SENSE, THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME.........
 
As they say over at ALT.FOLKLORE.URBAN, I've got dibs on this one.

"THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN, IF MARTIN LUTHER IS STILL ALIVE TODAY, HE WILL BE SUED FOR PUBLISHING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE RIGHTFULL OWNER....And stealing is a sin.."
 
muscleman said:

How do I know scientist wasnt lying and just fooling all of us into thinking that blackhole exist? Pictures? It could be computer generated. Telescopes? How do I know what I see is not a blackhole but something else? I can be so sketic all the way, and I am skeptic, BUT A SKEPTIC WITH COMMON SENSE, THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME.........

Muscleman, I cannot believe that you are posting to a skeptics forum without knowing the concept and value of the scientific method. If you do not believe the scientific method works, then you are a conspiracy theorist of the worst sort.

You are using a tool, the computer, that was brought into existence by science. It is ironic that you now use it to claim that science is untrustworthy.

You cannot take what you want from science and leave the rest. The reason I believe in black holes is because their existence has been independently verified by many scientists, using several different methods, and using the scientific method.

Oh, and you are an idiot. (Thrown in to add some weight to my argument)
 
Muscleman, are you a politician? You have an extraordinary gift for avoiding the question. This indicates to me that you concede the point, but do not wish to lose face.

Thank you for acknowledging the wisdom of my words.
 
I have not missed anything tj, because I thought u were intelligent, but I realize your not, so here I post the complete answer for idiots..

tjwojo said:


Muscleman, I cannot believe that you are posting to a skeptics forum without knowing the concept and value of the scientific method. If you do not believe the scientific method works, then you are a conspiracy theorist of the worst sort.

You are using a tool, the computer, that was brought into existence by science. It is ironic that you now use it to claim that science is untrustworthy.

You are saying that Im using the fruit of science, yet question science, ther4efore it aint right because either I take it all, and take none...Maybe your right, but lets see...

The earliest form of governing (Zooratism, cant remember) thousands of yrs before hinduism or judaism or greeks, etc. is a form of religion, where it acknowledges a God..

So in this case u cant acknowledge respect for governing without respect of God agree?
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Below is just to show you that the truth in science can also be develope LIKE religion........
Science used to say the tiniest particle is atom, now its down to quarks and sub-atomic particles..
It used to be impossible through science for a man to land on moon, now its possible..
Sounds like the Roman Catholic church to me. Where it started out small, but developes overtime........


tjwojo said:

You cannot take what you want from science and leave the rest.

You cant take things out of context, I agree...Thats why Im a theist because Im not stupid...:)


tjwojo said:

The reason I believe in black holes is because their existence has been independently verified by many scientists, using several different methods, and using the scientific method.

Oh, and you are an idiot. (Thrown in to add some weight to my argument)

How do I know they are all not lying? Theres alot of money involve in this research, how do I know they didnt lie for financial gain?

By the way, I do believe in all of scientific FACTS (Some theories are questionable) But this is just to show you how stupid it is to be a skeptic without common ground (sense)..

And by the way, your the stupid one, stupid......
 
muscleman said:

By the way, I do believe in all of scientific FACTS (Some theories are questionable) But this is just to show you how stupid it is to be a skeptic without common ground (sense)..

Would you care to expound on which theories are questionable? Like the Theory of Gravity or the Theory of Evolution? Just curious.
 
Why not?

Need the exercise. . . .

First of all, lets (sic) not get into detail with "atheists" are smarter than christians (sic).

Argumentum ad veritatem obfuscandam--verging on a Strawman of sorts.


That primitive lie isnt (sic)going anywhere here (especially when yur (sic) talking to me). 99% of universities are founded by christians (sic) (princeton (sic),harvard (sic),ucdavis (sic),etc.).

Argumentum ad captandum vulgus and, of course, irrelevant to the actual topic.

So dont (sic) even go there, and even your Einstein guy is a pantheism (sic) (who believes God is the nature and order of things.) And dont (sic) even try to quote some of his (sic) to say he's an atheist from the jesuit priests (sic) view.... HOW MANY UNIVERSITIES (SIC) FOUNDED BY AN ATHEIST? 1? 2? LOL... HOW MANY ATHEIST PRESIDENTS AND SENATORS? 1? 2? LOL, oh is it the vote?

See above.

Again, complete ignorance of the topic.

Of course, people can recognize the real ignorant one..

At the danger of responding to this argumentum ad captandum vulgus with an argumentum ad captandum vulgus I must concede that the "people" here have so judged the ignorance of the individual.

Now going back to the emotions, I am completely aware that the only difference between the human species and the animals is that we have higher intelligence. . . .

If an unkind man, I would wonder if the individual makes this mistake because he does not recognize the inability of species to interbreed, which would, only if an unkind man, lead me to understand why he appears so frustrated and unfulfilled.

However, I remain "meaur'd in manner and speech," and will not broach that unfortunate possibility.

. . . thats (sic) it. But from there, our brain can detect colors, identify smell, produce more chemicals (which can effect in STRONGER emotons.).

Something animals can do.

So what makes us different from animals is the higher intelligence, from there we can learn from the "God given WORD".

Does not follow, of course.

In case if your (sic)ignorant about the word "soul"

Rather than ignorant of a level of grammer mastered by a cerebral palsied gnat?

(and u (sic) must be;it seemed like it).

Interesting, an argumentum ad hominem delivered to support a Poisoning of the Well "supported" by an ipse dixit.

Nevertheless, incorrect, since the individual has [SIZE=LARGE]Fail'd to Address the Question of the Soul[/SIZE] present'd to him some time past on this very thread.

Why?

Ignorance?

Cowardice?

everything that lives have (sic) a soul that gives them life, from rocks, to plants, to animals, to humans. . . .

I did not realize rocks constituted life.

Nevertheless, this remains an unsupported ipse dixit. Consideration of the [SIZE=LARGE]Question of the Soul[/SIZE] would rather rock, so to write, these suppositions.

bio-chemical sub-atomic monosodium glutamate particle? Is that the scientific name for a "soul"?).

Molecules are not subatomic.

. . . but only the human species have (sic) a soul in which made a covenant with God, being above all the animals species and the rest of the animal kingdom; A FACT.

A claim. An unsubstantiated claim. An unsubstantiated sentence fragment claim.

Unfortunately, labeling something a "fact" does not make it so. I wish it were, for I would have converted a delusion involving Uma Thurmon and a hot-tub into "fact" long ago . . . provided she first lifted the restraining order.

note: Your very strange, u act like you red my post, but dont see what I typed, . . .

Methinks that attrocity may stand without further comment.

I dont think u read it, and if u didnt red it dont act like u did ok?

. . . as well as that.

.. U (sic) said (sic) above who the heck worships statuies (sic) nowadays? Maybe you, and millions of others, the rappers, etc.

This, and the following verbage, again fails to address the point, becomes a non sequitur verging on the argumentum ad veritatum obfuscandum if not another argumentum ad hominem et Poisoning the Well.

Next. . . .

--J.D.
 
Posted by muscleman:

"That primitive lie isnt going anywhere here (especially when yur talking to me). "


Man, I just love the humility and respect you learned from being such a good Christian.

And I'm sorry I sounded arrogant. I just have hard time with folks who don't act what they're taught. Not that I judge, because he who judges is himself judged.
 
tjwojo said:


Would you care to expound on which theories are questionable? Like the Theory of Gravity or the Theory of Evolution? Just curious.

I question the theory of gravity....

There is a scientific evidence that gravity is a myth.

There is no gravity, there is "Quantum force". In space, asteroids are in motions and bonds with other elements like it, just as magnets are in bond with other magnets, so are asteroids.
They are moved by "Quantum force" some bonds with stars and other planets, some make it to earth, and other planets in our Galaxies. There is nothing underneath earth that pulls us down, there is only heat and lava underneath like sun, the effect of the big bang, but such heat doesnt cause elements and things to bond with earth.
Gravity is a myth theorized for generations, thanks to telescope and modern technology, now the truth is unveiled! (This is to counteract, as u guys counteracted the proven "Higher intelligence" with quantum mechanics.)


GRAVITY IS A MYTH, THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT GRAVITY AND ITS EXISTENCE, THERE IS "QUANTUM FORCE" AND ITS PROVEN, THIS IS A NEW SCIENTIFIC DATA...


note: DoctorX, your a psycho...
 
Ill clarify it one more time...

Gravity is a myth....

There is nothing under the earth that demonstrates pulling us down, there is only lava, even in the core inside our planet like that of a sun but not as extreme.
Meanwhile, there is proof of "Quantum force". Asteroids are always in motion even by millions of miles away, our gravity simply doesnt have any responsibility of causing their motion, otherwise we will be vacuumed all the way in considering our mass is nothing compared to giant asteroids some even bigger than our planet!


Now what causes asteroids to clash on planets? Few even make it on earth. Its "quantum force" it gives it motion. Just as if you have a stong electricity, you can put a bronze in front of it and wherever u move the bronze, the elctricity follows it. The same with "quantum force", wheres tha planets are is where the force degenerates its energy. Thats why we stay in place here, not because we are being pulled down from underneath, but because we are pushed down from above, simple.
Now the source of Quantum force originately came from the same root where stars are born. This discovery was made possible few years ago from a superb giant telescope.

It gives out planets, and at the same time "force". In fact the galaxy is like creatures, it gives birth with planets, it poops out the blackhole, and that poop are recycled inside the blackhole (its a huge landscape inside there) it fertilizes inside their, and becomes fresh asteroids. Then that asteroid will be eaten by this giant thingy that looks like JLo's mouth, and then the circle of galxy life begins again over and over. By the way, all this happened by "super-duper luck".

This is the new scientific launch I started. In fact there is much much more to come....
 
Well, it's now official.

Muscleman is either a stark-raving loony, or he is just f*cking with us.

I suspect the latter.

Dr. Stupid
 
muscleman said:


I question the theory of gravity....

There is a scientific evidence that gravity is a myth.

There is no gravity, there is "Quantum force". In space, asteroids are in motions and bonds with other elements like it, just as magnets are in bond with other magnets, so are asteroids.
They are moved by "Quantum force" some bonds with stars and other planets, some make it to earth, and other planets in our Galaxies. There is nothing underneath earth that pulls us down, there is only heat and lava underneath like sun, the effect of the big bang, but such heat doesnt cause elements and things to bond with earth.
Gravity is a myth theorized for generations, thanks to telescope and modern technology, now the truth is unveiled! (This is to counteract, as u guys counteracted the proven "Higher intelligence" with quantum mechanics.)


GRAVITY IS A MYTH, THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT GRAVITY AND ITS EXISTENCE, THERE IS "QUANTUM FORCE" AND ITS PROVEN, THIS IS A NEW SCIENTIFIC DATA...


note: DoctorX, your a psycho...

Isn't that just restating graviton theory?
 
The apparently cowardly individual rises up from the gutter and grouses thusly:

I question the theory of gravity....

I must ask someone to provide a "cymbal clash."

There is a (sic) scientific evidence that gravity is a myth.

Ipse dixit.

There is no gravity, there is "Quantum force".

Perchance a "rose by anyother name?"

In space, asteroids are in motions and bonds with other elements like it, just as magnets are in bond with other magnets, so are asteroids.

Well that rather does it for this flow of verbal diarrhea. With all due kindness accorded one who is not a gentleman, I recommend consultation with a physics textbook that discusses the revolutionary concept of "electromagnetism."

We could similarly dismiss the rest as the drivel born from willful ignorance it represents however, this is far too entertaining:

There is nothing underneath earth that pulls us down, there is only heat and lava underneath like sun, . . .

Did not realize the Earth had a fusion reactor at its core. Who is responsible? Ernst Stavaro Blofeld? Does Bond know about this? Who will play the girl in the upcoming movie?

. . . the effect of the big bang, but such heat doesnt cause elements and things to bond with earth.

Ahh . . . okay . . . elements "and things" bond with other elements and things which, incidentally, the Earth is compris'd of.

Gravity is a myth theorized for generations, . . .

All of those poor unfortunates who fell and hurt themselves over the centuries. . . .

. . . thanks to telescope. . . .

Did Gallileo know this? What was he hiding?!!

. . . and modern technology, now the truth is unveiled!

Waiting.

Waiting.

(This is to counteract, as u guys counteracted the proven "Higher intelligence" with quantum mechanics.)

No evidence there. Maybe here, it has capitals so it must be important:

GRAVITY IS A MYTH, THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT GRAVITY AND ITS EXISTENCE, THERE IS "QUANTUM FORCE" AND ITS PROVEN, THIS IS A NEW SCIENTIFIC DATA...

without any evidence.

note: DoctorX, your a psycho...

Argumentum ad hominem and a rather weak one, at that. I had hoped that despite his Cowardice the individual could muster at least a half of a wit.

Evidentally not. . . .

Next. . . .

--J.D.

Of yes! Nearly forgot! What a scatter-brain I must be!

[SIZE=LARGE]The CHILD Awaits an Answer

The Brain Stem Awaits an Answer[/SIZE]
 
I am convinced that muscleman is just messing with us. Nobody is that absurd. At least, no one who can type a complete sentence without drooling all over the keyboard can be that absurd.

In restrospect, muscleman is pretty funny.
 
I rarely post in the R&P forum but, my Ed , that's gotta be the most amusing post I've read in quite some time, muscleman.

*golf clap* for Stimpy and Doctor X.

Sorry to interrupt. Please continue.
 
I will let Stimpy take the bow since he did his work with much greater succinctness.

--J.D.
 
Doctor X said:
I will let Stimpy take the bow since he did his work with much greater succinctness.

--J.D.
Stimpy's succintness does not necessarily detract from my enjoyment of your replies Doctor X.

I haven't seen (sic) in a post that often in some time, and for some odd reason, that added to my appreciation of your response.

I think I'm becoming a Doctor X fan.
 
I don't think that muscleman is just a troll only here to "mess with us". I suspect that he really is a theist and actually believes the nonsense he posts. This guy is so desperate to convince us of his god that he will question scientifics facts and call them outright lies. He want's us to believe that science is a big conspiracy designed to bring down religion and to blaspheme his god. It's sad that these people exist.
 
stupid thaiboxerken, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that "SCIENCE" is a big conspiracy..
I believe in scientifical facts, from mdeical field, to gheographical field, but some theory are questionable, even gravity (though a general belief) can itself be questioned, just to demonstrate to you how ILLOGIC AND STUPID it is to be a skeptic without common sense (a common understanding of known facts) you Dummy..

Science only points out the existence of God more than the universe as "Super Duper coincidence!!"...
 
Almost too easy. . . .

stupid thaiboxerken

Argumentum ad hominem.

The last refuge of the defeated.

The child pretends to pugilistic prowness; yet, thus far he has had his figurative ears literally box'd by everyone.

I believe in scientifical facts, from mdeical field, to gheographical (sic) field, . . .

Unfortunately the child behaved otherwise with his posts.

Rather pathetic tantrum follows. . . .

Science only points out the existence of God more than the universe as "Super Duper coincidence!!"..

Ipse dixit and rather incorrect.

Nevertheless, which such a lofty claim, this child should be able to choose which conclusion of the Pontine Tumor Proof [All Rights Reserved.--Ed.] is correct, or he can justify the suffering.

Waiting. . . .

Waiting. . . .

Waiting. . . .

Did he put both legs through one of his boxing trunk's holes?

Did he trip himself up in the ropes?

Next. . . .

--J.D.

[Edited for the codes . . . the codes. . . .--Ed.]
 
muscleman said:


Thats right, thats why there is an authority who have the right to interpret the bible, HMM I WONDER WHERE THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN FROM!!!

Well, much the part about the flood in the Old Testament is stolen from Sumerian myth, along with the myth about the Garden of Eden, although they were changed slightly to demonstrate monotheism, Jesus steals Platonic philosophy...
 
muscleman said:
stupid thaiboxerken, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that "SCIENCE" is a big conspiracy..
I believe in scientifical facts...

Uh, if they're facts, why should any sort of belief matter whatsoever? Also, is "scientifical" even a real word?

but some theory are questionable

Some? The very basis of science is that all theories are questionable, and therefore are supposed to be tested through observation and experiment.

even gravity (though a general belief) can itself be questioned, just to demonstrate to you how ILLOGIC AND STUPID it is to be a skeptic without common sense (a common understanding of known facts) you Dummy..

No. Gravity is not a matter belief, it is a name given to the observation of a downward tendency in all things. Observation occurs when you notice something, and you do not have to "believe" anything because it won't change what you actually observed. When was the last time something fell up instead of down?

Science only points out the existence of God more than the universe as "Super Duper coincidence!!"...
Look out Franko! It's the Strawman!
Oops, wrong thread.
 
muscleman said:
Ill clarify it one more time...

Gravity is a myth....

There is nothing under the earth that demonstrates pulling us down, there is only lava, even in the core inside our planet like that of a sun but not as extreme.
Meanwhile, there is proof of "Quantum force". Asteroids are always in motion even by millions of miles away, our gravity simply doesnt have any responsibility of causing their motion, otherwise we will be vacuumed all the way in considering our mass is nothing compared to giant asteroids some even bigger than our planet!


Hi Troll.
Congratulations I thought nobody would ever surpass Jedi Knights demonstrated lack of understanding of basic physics...but i was wrong. Please tell me you are making a joke here.... were you asleep at school?
 
muscleman said:
stupid thaiboxerken

It's apparent, by reading your posts, that I'm not the stupid one here.

, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that "SCIENCE" is a big conspiracy..

But you imply it with your absurd questioning of gravity.

I believe in scientifical facts, from mdeical field, to gheographical field, but some theory are questionable, even gravity (though a general belief) can itself be questioned, just to demonstrate to you how ILLOGIC AND STUPID it is to be a skeptic without common sense (a common understanding of known facts) you Dummy..

The theory of gravity can be questioned, the fact that gravity exists cannot (reasonably) be questioned.

Science only points out the existence of God more than the universe as "Super Duper coincidence!!"...

No, science doesn't even address god. Science doesn't attempt to make observations about things that don't exist.
 
muscleman said:
stupid thaiboxerken, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that "SCIENCE" is a big conspiracy..
I believe in scientifical facts, from mdeical field, to gheographical field, but some theory are questionable, even gravity (though a general belief) can itself be questioned, just to demonstrate to you how ILLOGIC AND STUPID it is to be a skeptic without common sense (a common understanding of known facts) you Dummy..

Science only points out the existence of God more than the universe as "Super Duper coincidence!!"...

Yeah that's right muscleman,

Gravity is really a big magical being in the sky blowing us with his breath back to the ground.
 
muscleman said:
THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN, IF MARTIN LUTHER IS STILL ALIVE TODAY, HE WILL BE SUED FOR PUBLISHING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE RIGHTFULL OWNER....And stealing is a sin..

Being a commercial lawyer, I know a bit about copyright and intellectual property law. I take it the above is not intended to be taken literally. If I am incorrect in this assumption, I would be very interested in learning how you believe such a case against Mr. Luther would be stated.
 
stupid thaiboxerken

It's apparent, by reading your posts, that I'm not the stupid one here.
I have to go with Thaiboxerken on this one. It's entirely too apparent who the stupid one is.

I can't believe that this guy is for real. He's gotta be a troll.
 
THE BIBLE WAS STOLEN, IF MARTIN LUTHER IS STILL ALIVE TODAY, HE WILL BE SUED FOR PUBLISHING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE RIGHTFULL OWNER....And stealing is a sin..

This was the part that set off my ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊-O-Meter, it's just way beyond a reasonable normally encountered level of stupidity.

The "...IF MARTIN LUTHER IS STILL ALIVE TODAY..." part, given that Martin Luther has been dead for 400 some-odd years, is just beyond a level of believable stupidity.

Surely there are many that are quite that ignorant, but it just feels as though there must be some leg-pulling going on.

If not...weeeellll, let's just hope he has some sort of brain injury or some non-heritable genetic or physical defect, and that the appearance of such a display is merely a statistical anomaly.

The thought that such a thing is merely human nature gone awry is just too horrid a one for such a sunny day in the sunshine state.

Oh my...it appears the heavens have gone gray and are raining blood and frogs...
 
so what do u call the "energy" that gives rock its life?
Rocks have life?

One is compelled to wonder what constitutes non-life in the Muscleman world.

Then one realizes that he just makes this crap up as he goes along, so you can't expect it have meaning or even consistency.

I need a longer /ingore list.
 

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