arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
Telegram actively goes out of its way to make it hard for people to fact check.God knows that is common enough on the Internet without Telegram.........
Telegram actively goes out of its way to make it hard for people to fact check.God knows that is common enough on the Internet without Telegram.........
OK, I will just ignore it then.....Telegram actively goes out of its way to make it hard for people to fact check.
That's best.OK, I will just ignore it then.....
I guess they can buy the books from many US school book suppliers and cross out jesus for muhammed.Jihadism has just gotten a huge uptick in interest since the New Orleans attack......
I thought Israeli intelligence was among the best. It is hard to believe that open intelligence like this has not been used.Speaking of TELEGRAM --
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IDF could've stopped Oct. 7 by monitoring Hamas's Telegram, researchers say
"These [Telegram] channels were neither secret nor hidden — they were open and accessible to all," Lt.-Col. (res.) Dahoah-Halevi argued.www.jpost.com
"Their(HAMAS') Telegram platform channel was used for disseminating professional military literature from the Al-Qassam Brigades, featuring detailed guides on topics such as precision shooting training, sniping, camouflage and deception, checkpoint operations, infiltration, ambushes, and operational movement."
Speaking of TELEGRAM --
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IDF could've stopped Oct. 7 by monitoring Hamas's Telegram, researchers say
"These [Telegram] channels were neither secret nor hidden — they were open and accessible to all," Lt.-Col. (res.) Dahoah-Halevi argued.www.jpost.com
"Their(HAMAS') Telegram platform channel was used for disseminating professional military literature from the Al-Qassam Brigades, featuring detailed guides on topics such as precision shooting training, sniping, camouflage and deception, checkpoint operations, infiltration, ambushes, and operational movement."
I'm not following the logic here. It was already known that Hamas were receiving and disseminating instructional materials on various aspects of insurgency, terrorism, and asymmetrical warfare. Unless the Telegram channel was being used to disseminate the specific details of the Oct 7 plan, including date and time of the attack, jumping off points, lines of travel, etc., monitoring it would not have helped to prevent the attack.I thought Israeli intelligence was among the best. It is hard to believe that open intelligence like this has not been used.
Steenkh, in my humble opinion the IDF was well-aware of efforts in Gaza to perpetrate a border breach.
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On the morning of Oct7, we know specific warnings by the female monitors along the border regarding HAMAS movements were pooh-poohed and these soldiers were told by the commanders "Al Tidag" (have no worries).
Well, even without specific details this knowledge should have caused the border security to be reinforced. It is easy to be an armchair general, and criticize without knowledge of the actual possibilities the commanders had, but the unworried attitude is certainly worrying if there were signs to be gleaned from Telegram that something big was being planned.I'm not following the logic here. It was already known that Hamas were receiving and disseminating instructional materials on various aspects of insurgency, terrorism, and asymmetrical warfare. Unless the Telegram channel was being used to disseminate the specific details of the Oct 7 plan, including date and time of the attack, jumping off points, lines of travel, etc., monitoring it would not have helped to prevent the attack.
Not even "quietly happy". He funded HamasWe've been over this before. Numerous reports have stated that Netanyahu was warned about an imminent attack, but that he disregarded those warnings. There is also evidence that Bibi was quietly happy that Hamas existed as a threat, because that threat would reduce support for a 2-state solution in Israel- and also in Palestine- and divert attention away from domestic policy failures.
Bibi has denied this, of course, but I personally wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
It's clear that Israel dropped the ball.Well, even without specific details this knowledge should have caused the border security to be reinforced. It is easy to be an armchair general, and criticize without knowledge of the actual possibilities the commanders had, but the unworried attitude is certainly worrying if there were signs to be gleaned from Telegram that something big was being planned.
Wow. This old chestnut again.
I also wonder if there was just not complancy...the refusal to beleive that HAMAS could actually pull something like that off.Steenkh, in my humble opinion the IDF was well-aware of efforts in Gaza to perpetrate a border breach.
However, the IDF was committed to their doctrine of "industrial quiet" (meaning, not to take any pro-active maneuvers against Gazan terrorists).
This attitude was evident to me personally over the two decades I served in IDF as a reservist. The idea to 'avoid making things worse" was pervasive, even when action was warranted to thwart threats.
On the morning of Oct7, we know specific warnings by the female monitors along the border regarding HAMAS movements were pooh-poohed and these soldiers were told by the commanders "Al Tidag" (have no worries).
In my opinion, when Israelis say "Al Tidag" it really means -- Start Worrying!
Where does the buck stop?Was Bibi in sole control of the border security?
First of all, this thread is discussing (primarily) the border with Syria, not Gaza.Where does the buck stop?
maybe with the guy who made the decades of his political career all about keeping the border secure and then didn't give a ◊◊◊◊?
Or the country running a forty year genocide against the 2,500+ year inhabitants of a region?Where does the buck stop?
maybe with the guy who made the decades of his political career all about keeping the border secure and then didn't give a ◊◊◊◊?
The buck stops with the Chief of Staff and the commanding generals/officers on scene.
Indeed. Iran needs to stop doing this.Or the country running a forty year genocide against the 2,500+ year inhabitants of a region?
Admiral Kimmel and General Short say hi.........And as if on cue, General Halevi resigns.
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Outgoing Chief of Staff: 'I am responsible for the failures of 10/7 and the achievements'
After announcing his resignation, IDF Chief of Staff Herzzi Halevi says he decided to resign a while ago and now that a ceasefire is in place is the time to do so.www.israelnationalnews.com