Susan Smith denied Parole. Again.

[wasapi]

It is so difficult for me to imagine this creature, who watches her little Sons drown at her hands, think she deserves to walk amongst us.
I will look this up. As I recall, she started a dating site while behind bars for murdering her babies. For a man.

 

[whoanellie]

It was her FIRST time before the parole board

 

[Samson]

From a male perspective I find it difficult to judge the best way to manage her.
I think only women should be involved.

 

[Planigale]

From a male perspective I find it difficult to judge the best way to manage her.
I think only women should be involved.

It sounds like she has a personality disorder and was suffering from a psychiatric illness at the time of the crime. I am not sure keeping her in prison serves any purpose at this point. As a mother I now feel throroughly deterred from murdering my baby. I suspect she is no threat to anyone if released. She has been punished and I'm not sure keeping her in prison longer significantly increases the punishment.

 

[wasapi]

I understand your point. However, she is so evil - mental illness doesn't excuse her. Thinking of her outside, going on dating sites and living amongst us, just doesn't sit right with me. I don't know the answer. I am a Mother. I can't imagine harming a hair on my sons hair.

 

[plague311]

It sounds like she has a personality disorder and was suffering from a psychiatric illness at the time of the crime. I am not sure keeping her in prison serves any purpose at this point. As a mother I now feel throroughly deterred from murdering my baby. I suspect she is no threat to anyone if released. She has been punished and I'm not sure keeping her in prison longer significantly increases the punishment.

She murdered her children because the man she was having an affair with didn't like kids. That's probably a bit more than a personality disorder and I can't see what benefit society would have from introducing her back. As you said, being a mother deters you from murdering your baby, it didn't deter her. She murdered them, lied about it, blamed a Black man, then when she got busted (and only then) did she come clean.

From a male perspective I find it difficult to judge the best way to manage her.
I think only women should be involved.

Lol what? I think the father of the children should probably get a say. Why would women be any better of a judge than any other human that walks the Earth? What a weird requirement.

 

[wasapi]

I believe males are the one who have a big say. Just looking at the Father's face is heartbreaking.
So Samson, he doesn't deserve a say? Really?

 

[Planigale]

She murdered her children because the man she was having an affair with didn't like kids.

So the prosecution said. If true I think this is evidence of serious psychiatric disorder.

That's probably a bit more than a personality disorder and I can't see what benefit society would have from introducing her back.

Money? The question should be what benefit is there from keeping her in prison, the default should be liberty. Unless there is cause for imprisonment then she should be free. The sentence is up, the punishment done so there needs to be a positive reason to keep her in prison not just a 'we disapprove of women killing their children so lets keep her locked up' justification.

As you said, being a mother deters you from murdering your baby, it didn't deter her.

I was being sarcastic; I meant there was no deterrent value in her sentence. Those disturbed enough to kill their children won't be deterred by her sentence. So deterrence isn't a justification for her imprisonment.

She murdered them, lied about it, blamed a Black man, then when she got busted (and only then) did she come clean.

The Karen clause.

The US has a massive prison population. Prison only works for those who are a continuing risk to the public and prison keeps the population safe. Otherwise there is deterrence, done; punishment, done; rehabilitation, not going to be done now if not already done./

 

[plague311]

So the prosecution said. If true I think this is evidence of serious psychiatric disorder.

Right, a disorder that caused her to murder her kids. That is serious and we should take it seriously. Like having a compelling reason to allow her back out on the street when she had no issue murdering before.

Money? The question should be what benefit is there from keeping her in prison, the default should be liberty.

It was, until she murdered her children. That was her default.

Unless there is cause for imprisonment then she should be free.

There is a cause for imprisonment, she murdered her children. Two children to be exact.

The sentence is up, the punishment done

Lol what? No, it's not. If the sentence was up and the punishment was done she wouldn't need to go in front of a parole board. She would just be set free. Parole is something granted to people who have time left on their sentence but are deemed to be capable of living in society again. It's a privilege.

so there needs to be a positive reason to keep her in prison not just a 'we disapprove of women killing their children so lets keep her locked up' justification.

That's literally how our justice system and society works. We disapprove of an action, and we put people in prison for it. Boom, easy enough. The positive reason(s) to keep her in prison are a) she hasn't finished serving her sentence (which is life in prison) and b) she hasn't proven she will be a net gain for society.

I was being sarcastic; I meant there was no deterrent value in her sentence. Those disturbed enough to kill their children won't be deterred by her sentence. So deterrence isn't a justification for her imprisonment.

Ok, so rapists should be let out because the sentence isn't a deterrent? If she gets out and murders someone else then we just leave her out and about because she wasn't deterred? She's being imprisoned because she killed two children and we, as a society, don't want to see it happen again.

The Karen clause.

The US has a massive prison population. Prison only works for those who are a continuing risk to the public and prison keeps the population safe. Otherwise there is deterrence, done; punishment, done; rehabilitation, not going to be done now if not already done./

None of this is true, and you've completely made up that her punishment is done. There also isn't proof she's been rehabilitated. I'm not sure where you're getting this from but she's also been punished in prison for things like drugs and having sex with prison guards. Does that sound like she's rehabilitated to you?

 

[Samson]

I believe males are the one who have a big say. Just looking at the Father's face is heartbreaking.
So Samson, he doesn't deserve a say? Really?

I genuinely forgot there must be a father, stupid though that sounds.
Yes, I would be interested in his input.
My general view is that women and children are the foundations on which the community depends, which is why I am a paid up member of the New Zealand Women's Rights party.

Men are more dispensable.

 

[junkshop]

From a male perspective I find it difficult to judge the best way to manage her.
I think only women should be involved.

I genuinely forgot there must be a father, stupid though that sounds.
Yes, I would be interested in his input.
My general view is that women and children are the foundations on which the community depends, which is why I am a paid up member of the New Zealand Women's Rights party.

Men are more dispensable.

By your own arguments, your opinion is irrelevant.

Congratulations?

 

[Samson]

By your own arguments, your opinion is irrelevant.

Congratulations?

I think recusing oneself is quite noble.

 

[junkshop]

what you think* is , according to your own arguments, of no value.

*on this subject