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So what form does the resistance take?

Safe-Keeper said:
I doubt Dump is going to be in any condition to run for anything come 2028. In fact, I'm surprised he's lasted this long. Also, his influence and appeal was clearly waning even this election. Sure, it might be rejuvenated now that he somehow became POTUS again, but his condition will just keep deteriorating.
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I wish, but poor mental and physical health isn't always an indication of longevity--my father was grossly overweight, had a horrible diet, drank and smoke heavily, had heart disease and alzheimer's--but he would have lived to 100 if an accident didn't get him in his mid 80s. He had the same attitude as trump "im the most healthy person alive!!" so apparently attitude accounts for more than reality. And even if he does deteriorate rapidly, his sycophants will just inject him with embalming fluid and the few times he is forced to speak or appear publicly it will probably be a body double, kind of like the Maggats insisted about Biden. I'm half joking...
 
Hercules56 said:
Some states may sue and try to not comply with Trump orders.
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Or secede--Texas threatened to do it a few times, I'm surprised CA hasn't already announced they're leaving. Maybe they should start with Hawaii, it would be harder to send troops there...
 
stanfr said:
and the few times he is forced to speak or appear publicly it will probably be a body double, kind of like the Maggats insisted about Biden. I'm half joking...
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Somewhere out there an obese jaundiced orangutan sat up in fear, realizing that if it were just 50% uglier it might get shanghaied into being Trump's body double!

Just kidding, of course they'll use one of the dead obese jaundiced orangutans they collected last time. The trick is to not preserve them with dessicants, the rotting is an integral part of the whole Trump ambience.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Somewhere out there an obese jaundiced orangutan sat up in fear, realizing that if it were just 50% uglier it might get shanghaied into being Trump's body double!

Just kidding, of course they'll use one of the dead obese jaundiced orangutans they collected last time. The trick is to not preserve them with dessicants, the rotting is an integral part of the whole Trump ambience.
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I would imagine the dessicants would give the game away because they suppress the odor.
 
dudalb said:
A lot of what he proposed to do will not be popular with people who voted for him when they understand it will cut programs they like
and they will let the house rep know they don;t like it.
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This is the problem. The people were not well informed. In fact, the people were deliberately misinformed.

A feature, of course, not a bug.
 
Darat said:
It does because you don't need to change the constitution, your governance is set up for the supreme court to be... well the word is supreme, they decide what the constitution means. You may assume it means one thing, but if they say it means something else that's the beginning and end of it. In other words, you may think that the 22nd amendment means Trump can't serve a 3rd term but if the SCOTUS majority decision is that "in these circumstances" it doesn't apply to Trump and he can stand for a third term that's it, he can stand for a third term without a single change to even a comma in the text of the amendment.
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How did Roe v Wade get overturned then?

I think it's safer to say that the constitution means whatever the majority ideology of SCOTUS thinks it means, and that may and can change over time, but that's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary of course.


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AmyStrange said:
How did Roe v Wade get overturned then?
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By precisely the reasoning outlined in the post you quoted.

The Supreme Court adjudicated one way. Later, they adjudicated a different way. Nothing in the legislation changed.

Same with the second amendment interpretation.
 
3point14 said:
By precisely the reasoning outlined in the post you quoted.

The Supreme Court adjudicated one way. Later, they adjudicated a different way. Nothing in the legislation changed.

Same with the second amendment interpretation.
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Aren't you just paraphrasing what I posted, and then cutting that part out?

...I think it's safer to say that the constitution means whatever the majority ideology of SCOTUS thinks it means, and that may and can change over time...
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AmyStrange said:
Aren't you just paraphrasing what I posted, and then cutting that part out?
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Yeah. I thought the answer to your question was contained within your post. I was confused at the question.

You seemed to be disagreeing with something? I probably read it wrong.
 
3point14 said:
Yeah. I thought the answer to your question was contained within your post. I was confused at the question.

You seemed to be disagreeing with something? I probably read it wrong.
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I was just emphasizing something as a prerequisite to what I thought was the better answer, but you're right. I was disagreeing with the statement that each SCOTUS ruling was the beginning and the END of whatever constitutional question they were deciding upon.

There seems to be and probably will be a lot more of that going on with the present SCOTUS.


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3point14 said:
This is the problem. The people were not well informed. In fact, the people were deliberately misinformed.

A feature, of course, not a bug.
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I agree, although, it seemed to me that most of the maga weirdoes loved being misinformed even though there was a lot of information out there to prove them wrong. Christ, all you had to do was listen to the guy talk and be awake rather than asleep to know that he was stupid, but instead, they maga-explained what he really meant with gibberish, the official language of magaville.

It may be argued that there were a lot of folks out there other than the maga idiots who voted for trump, but let's be honest, if wasn't for his maga minions, trump and what's name would never have been elected.


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Grizzly Bear said:
This may come as news to you, but Trump can only be in office for 4 years. He's term limited out in 2028 since he's already served one term.......
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Wouldn’t a friendly Supreme Court be able to hand him an extra term?

Edit: Hm, ninja’ed long ago it seems.
 
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AmyStrange said:
I was just emphasizing something as a prerequisite to what I thought was the better answer, but you're right. I was disagreeing with the statement that each SCOTUS ruling was the beginning and the END of whatever constitutional question they were deciding upon.

There seems to be and probably be a lot more of that going on with the present SCOTUS.


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Ah! That makes more sense! Thank you!
 
steenkh said:
Wouldn’t a friendly Supreme Court be able to hand him an extra term?
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Good question. They may decide that what the constitution actually meant was TWO CONSECUTIVE terms rather than two terms total. I wouldn't put it past them.

They might also decide that if a majority of the voters want him to run, that it negates the constitution, and I know that one sounds pretty far out, but once again, I wouldn't put it past them to come up with some cock and bull story to make it happen.


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steenkh said:
Wouldn’t a friendly Supreme Court be able to hand him an extra term?
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Well, he's been joking about hanging around.

President-elect Donald Trump does not appear to be interested in assuaging any concerns about a total pursuit of power.

Speaking before the House Republican Conference on Wednesday, the 78-year-old soon-to-be forty-seventh president openly joked about running for a third term, telling the crowd that they could “figure something else out.”

“I suspect I won’t be running again unless you say he’s so good we got to figure something else out,” Trump said while laughing, according to the Associated Press’s Farnoush Amiri.
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If he can "figure something out," he will.
 
AmyStrange said:
Good question. They may decide that what the constitution actually meant was TWO CONSECUTIVE terms rather than two terms total. I wouldn't put it past them.

They might also decide that if a majority of the voters want him to run, that it negates the constitution, and I know that one sounds pretty far out, but once again, I wouldn't put it past them to come up with some cock and bull story to make it happen.


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I wouldn't put it past them either. Over and over again people have and will overestimate how secure democracy is.
If both the legislature and President are behind them, who's gonna stop it? Only a popular revolt.
I guarantee you the founding fathers didn't come up with the idea of installing rulers for life who can do whatever the heck they want with the
guiding principles of the nation they founded.
 
AmyStrange said:
I was just emphasizing something as a prerequisite to what I thought was the better answer, but you're right. I was disagreeing with the statement that each SCOTUS ruling was the beginning and the END of whatever constitutional question they were deciding upon.

There seems to be and probably will be a lot more of that going on with the present SCOTUS.


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I meant “end” in the sense that there is no further appeal etc.
 
Fatso and his hoons will quickly overreach themselves, not just embezzling, extorting, and demanding kickbacks, but trying outright gangsterism: crimes against individuals. They won't be very good at it, because, like other amateur hoodlums, they think they're untouchable.
 
Back to the OP question, about what form the resistance will take: Prediction: after Trump & Co make good on some of their promised anti-American acts, antifa is going to get fired up again, and physical resistance will start to increase. Trump will double down on labeling antifa as terrorists, and things will get ugly on small scales here and there. A portion of the public will start to snap out of it and realize that Trump is not quite as peachy keen as they thought. Awkward family get togethers will ensue as teams change.
 
Thermal said:
Back to the OP question, about what form the resistance will take: Prediction: after Trump & Co make good on some of their promised anti-American acts, antifa is going to get fired up again, and physical resistance will start to increase. Trump will double down on labeling antifa as terrorists, and things will get ugly on small scales here and there. A portion of the public will start to snap out of it and realize that Trump is not quite as peachy keen as they thought. Awkward family get togethers will ensue as teams change.
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Yup, and keep in mind that some of the crazier maga weirdoes might do the following to counteract these "small-scale" events so as to make the left look bad:


A far-right extremist who pretended to be a BLM supporter pleaded guilty to rioting

On May 27, Ivan Harrison Hunter, 26, traveled from Texas to Minneapolis during the height of last summer's George Floyd protests and fired gunshots in the Minneapolis 3rd Police Precinct while yelling "Justice for Floyd!" on video, according to The Associated Press and The Daily Beast.
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According to NBC News, Hunter is a member of a militia group called the Boogaloo Boys that is anti-government and has the goal of starting a second civil war. Court documents suggest that he attended the protest with two other Boogaloo Boys — one of whom was accused of murdering two police officers, according to The Daily Beast.
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Thermal said:
Back to the OP question, about what form the resistance will take: Prediction: after Trump & Co make good on some of their promised anti-American acts, antifa is going to get fired up again, and physical resistance will start to increase. Trump will double down on labeling antifa as terrorists, and things will get ugly on small scales here and there. A portion of the public will start to snap out of it and realize that Trump is not quite as peachy keen as they thought. Awkward family get togethers will ensue as teams change.
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It's funny cause I haven't heard the word Antifa muttered since the election. Presumably they would use this as a membership drive. I still think either the ATO or ATM (Anti-trumpist organization or movement) would be better as a non-violent movement. But I wonder what Antifa has in store for January--I mean according to MAGA they were responsible for Jan 6, so if they are that smooth at working undercover than they should be even better prepared this time.
 
AmyStrange said:
Yup, and keep in mind that some of the crazier maga weirdoes might do the following to counteract these "small-scale" events so as to make the left look bad:


A far-right extremist who pretended to be a BLM supporter pleaded guilty to rioting






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Good point...Trumpists always do the exact thing they accuse others of doing. Which implies that MAGA groups will storm the capital sometime in January, attempting to basically burn down all form of government, disguised as radical leftists, and after they are crushed Trump will use that as an excuse to employ force to completely annihilate any group that is remotely anti-Trump.
 
stanfr said:
It's funny cause I haven't heard the word Antifa muttered since the election. Presumably they would use this as a membership drive. I still think either the ATO or ATM (Anti-trumpist organization or movement) would be better as a non-violent movement. But I wonder what Antifa has in store for January--I mean according to MAGA they were responsible for Jan 6, so if they are that smooth at working undercover than they should be even better prepared this time.
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Yup, I saw that played out in the MSN forums, but someone made that comment a laughingstock when they replied back with (paraphrasing), Yeah, that's exactly what Antifa would do, break into the Capitol and stop something for someone that they hated.


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stanfr said:
It's funny cause I haven't heard the word Antifa muttered since the election. Presumably they would use this as a membership drive. I still think either the ATO or ATM (Anti-trumpist organization or movement) would be better as a non-violent movement. But I wonder what Antifa has in store for January--I mean according to MAGA they were responsible for Jan 6, so if they are that smooth at working undercover than they should be even better prepared this time.
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Honestly, antifa has been quiet because...well, we've been under democratic leadership lately. That's about to change.

It's probably counterproductive to keep calling Trump a Nazi. He's not, see? He wants some stuff that's unarguably anti-American, but he wants to be a CEO of the States, not a Fuhrer. The Resistance needs to keep this in mind, or they are going to look like they are blowing things out of proportion, tilting against a strong militant enemy when he's really a weakling with no dreams of conquering Canada or rounding up liberals into concentration camps
 
Thermal said:
Honestly, antifa has been quiet because...well, we've been under democratic leadership lately. That's about to change.

It's probably counterproductive to keep calling Trump a Nazi. He's not, see? He wants some stuff that's unarguably anti-American, but he wants to be a CEO of the States, not a Fuhrer. The Resistance needs to keep this in mind, or they are going to look like they are blowing things out of proportion, tilting against a strong militant enemy when he's really a weakling with no dreams of conquering Canada or rounding up liberals into concentration camps
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Totally valid point, and when you despise someone for being despicable it's sometimes easy to lose track of that fact. But unlike a Hitler or Stalin, that makes it much more likely that someone or some group that supports him will simply use him as a conduit for their much broader psychotic goals. That's the real danger, and it is more difficult to control them when they are shielded by someone who has a legitimate basis for power.
 
stanfr said:
Totally valid point, and when you despise someone for being despicable it's sometimes easy to lose track of that fact. But unlike a Hitler or Stalin, that makes it much more likely that someone or some group that supports him will simply use him as a conduit for their much broader psychotic goals. That's the real danger, and it is more difficult when they are shielded by someone who has a legitimate basis for power.
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Trump, through his insane idiocy, tanks the economy and wrecks current functioning systems. Then, to fix the damage and quell the resulting chaos, a smarter authoritarian regime takes power. "Just until everything's working again"....how many times has that one been said? Only it never comes to pass and a revolution is needed to fix the fixers.
 
stanfr said:
Totally valid point, and when you despise someone for being despicable it's sometimes easy to lose track of that fact. But unlike a Hitler or Stalin, that makes it much more likely that someone or some group that supports him will simply use him as a conduit for their much broader psychotic goals. That's the real danger, and it is more difficult to control them when they are shielded by someone who has a legitimate basis for power.
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Agreed. The cunning ones who slide in with him are a bigger menace, with everyone paying attention to Trump while they quietly wreak havoc.

I hate to say this out loud, but I think Vance is in training to be Trump 2.0. Good looking millennial who can present as sane with an effort. That's bad news. He has 4 years to work on his charisma and dialing down the crazy, and he might be the more palatable version.
 
Thermal said:
Agreed. The cunning ones who slide in with him are a bigger menace, with everyone paying attention to Trump while they quietly wreak havoc.

I hate to say this out loud, but I think Vance is in training to be Trump 2.0. Good looking millennial who can present as sane with an effort. That's bad news. He has 4 years to work on his charisma and dialing down the crazy, and he might be the more palatable version.
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I hope you're wrong, but if things do go to hell under trump, and I just have this feeling that they will, especially since his whole cabinet will be asleep rather than awake, Vance'll have to take his lumps as VP just like Harris did.

And I can't remember who said it in here (paraphrasing of course), but if the economy goes south, they won't want another 4 years of trump 3.0.

And the economy WILL go south for two reasons.

One will be that deporting all those folks (who, if you're honest, keep our vegetables and meats relatively cheap) will help raise the price of those farm items, and two, adding all those tariffs on top of that, it's obvious what'll happen... unless you're damn stupid.

The maga weirdoes may try to blame it on Harris, but as part of my resistance, I will attack them as the hypocritical, lying idiots that they are.

For example: "Wait a minute, in the last election, you blamed everything wrong (high inflation etc.) on the VP, so why shouldn't the same thing be true this time around?"

With more colorful language of course.

Of course, I may be wrong, but we'll know for sure four years from now. So, in other words...


Vive la résistance!!!​


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Thermal said:
Back to the OP question, about what form the resistance will take: Prediction: after Trump & Co make good on some of their promised anti-American acts, antifa is going to get fired up again, and physical resistance will start to increase. Trump will double down on labeling antifa as terrorists, and things will get ugly on small scales here and there. A portion of the public will start to snap out of it and realize that Trump is not quite as peachy keen as they thought. Awkward family get togethers will ensue as teams change.
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If it is just Antifia, it will fail. You need a repeat of what happened during the Vietnam war,where large numbers of "Average Americans: got mobllizied. You will need more then the usual suspect protestors for this to work.
 
dudalb said:
If it is just Antifia, it will fail. You need a repeat of what happened during the Vietnam war,where large numbers of "Average Americans: got mobllizied. You will need more then the usual suspect protestors for this to work.
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*Kent State students raise a finger*
 
dudalb said:
If it is just Antifia, it will fail. You need a repeat of what happened during the Vietnam war,where large numbers of "Average Americans: got mobllizied. You will need more then the usual suspect protestors for this to work.
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But was it just the protest or was it also the large number of US soldiers being killed daily? I remember seeing that number being flashed on the screen every night during every news broadcast.

In 1995 Vietnam released its official estimate of the number of people killed during the Vietnam War: as many as 2,000,000 civilians on both sides and some 1,100,000 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., lists more than 58,300 names of members of the U.S. armed forces who were killed or went missing in action. Among other countries that fought for South Vietnam, South Korea had more than 4,000 dead, Thailand about 350, Australia more than 500, and New Zealand some three dozen.
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AmyStrange said:
I hope you're wrong, but if things do go to hell under trump, and I just have this feeling that they will, especially since his whole cabinet will be asleep rather than awake, Vance'll have to take his lumps as VP just like Harris did.

And I can't remember who said it in here (paraphrasing of course), but if the economy goes south, they won't want another 4 years of trump 3.0.

And the economy WILL go south for two reasons.

One will be that deporting all those folks (who, if you're honest, keep our vegetables and meats relatively cheap) will help raise the price of those farm items, and two, adding all those tariffs on top of that, it's obvious what'll happen... unless you're damn stupid.

The maga weirdoes may try to blame it on Harris, but as part of my resistance, I will attack them as the hypocritical, lying idiots that they are.

For example: "Wait a minute, in the last election, you blamed everything wrong (high inflation etc.) on the VP, so why shouldn't the same thing be true this time around?"

With more colorful language of course.

Of course, I may be wrong, but we'll know for sure four years from now. So, in other words...


Vive la résistance!!!​


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Honestly, I think Vance will be able to walk away from whatever happens, saying "my boss got some things wrong, but I've got it worked out", meanwhile taking credit for anything that was popular. Watch him like a hawk. I'm guessing that the grooming began before his debate with Walz
 
Thermal said:
Honestly, I think Vance will be able to walk away from whatever happens, saying "my boss got some things wrong, but I've got it worked out", meanwhile taking credit for anything that was popular. Watch him like a hawk. I'm guessing that the grooming began before his debate with Walz
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Yeah, he "might," but I'm not going to let him or the maga weirdoes forget how they blamed Harris for everything just because she was VP, even though she didn't have much control over anything.

If he tries to put the blame on trump, I wonder what the maga idiots will do, especially if the economy does tank... but like I said:



Vive la résistance!!!​



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