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arcticpenguin

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/02/27/scotland.bacteria/index.html

Bacteria found in Scottish rockpools produce antibiotics which are effective against "the notorious hospital superbug, MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus.)"

I hope it pans out, because drug resistance in infectious bacteria is a bad problem and getting worse. There are companies involved in this, and there is no mention of the chemical identity of the antibiotic. There are also other factors important in turning something like this into a drug; toxicity, delivery, etc. which are not mentioned at all.

I hope they've got something real and are not just selling stock.
 
Luckily, the scientists got to the bacteria before they were wiped out from the pollution from fish farms
 
And didn't I read something about the metabolism of kimodo dragons? Their mouths are full of the most deadly bacteria, making their bites extremely dangerous, yet when they fight with each other the bites never become infected.
 
I could find no mention of it on PubMed. Often, this type of report does get accompanied by a paper if the patent has been applied for...

And, AP is correct that many factors are required to come together before this becomes a real drug. So right now, this is purely a PR stunt.
 
Penrich said:
I could find no mention of it on PubMed. Often, this type of report does get accompanied by a paper if the patent has been applied for...

And, AP is correct that many factors are required to come together before this becomes a real drug. So right now, this is purely a PR stunt.

Take a look at the chemical literature. There are a multitude of antibiotic/antitumor/antifungal chemicals that are reported every week, and some of them have incredible activities. Very few ever make it to the marketplace, however.

Call me when you hit human trials, and I'll listen.
 
Fillipo Lippi- " Luckily, the scientists got to the bacteria before they were wiped out from the pollution from fish farms ".


Can we be sure they don't RESULT FROM pollution from fish farms?
 
Yeah, but it's still just another antibiotic, which doesn't really solve the overarching problem of oh, I dunno, antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

An aside, if you will.....

There was a really interesting article in New Scientist a couple weeks ago that was discussing alternatives to antibiotics. Basically, bacteria that are bad for people communicate with one another, and only when there's enough of them do they "attack." They use what are called "quorum sensing" chemicals to determine if there's enough of their own kind present to warrant becoming -- oh, I don't remember the word, so we'll just say "bad for their host." If the bacteria all "attacked" whenever they invaded the host, that wouldn't be a very good survival strategy because our own immune systems can kill off small numbers of even very bad-for-you bacteria. So what some researchers are saying is that we may be able to manipulate quorum sensing to keep bacteria from attacking so that our own immune systems can kill them. Interestingly, aside from the normal scientific opposition (does it really work, how reproducible are the results, how feasible is this considering quorum sensing may be species-specific, etc.), some of the main opposition has come from pharmecuetical companies (or those associated with them). Their main concern is that it won't "catch on" with the public, because it isn't an antibiotic, it doesn't kill the bug, it just keeps it from being bad for you. They think people simply will not use them unless it's absolutely neccessary. I think it's an interesting interplay of biology and group psychology. Or that it just goes to show ;)
 
Phaycops said:
Yeah, but it's still just another antibiotic, which doesn't really solve the overarching problem of oh, I dunno, antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

An aside, if you will.....

There was a really interesting article in New Scientist a couple weeks ago that was discussing alternatives to antibiotics. Basically, bacteria that are bad for people communicate with one another, and only when there's enough of them do they "attack." They use what are called "quorum sensing" chemicals to determine if there's enough of their own kind present to warrant becoming -- oh, I don't remember the word, so we'll just say "bad for their host." If the bacteria all "attacked" whenever they invaded the host, that wouldn't be a very good survival strategy because our own immune systems can kill off small numbers of even very bad-for-you bacteria. So what some researchers are saying is that we may be able to manipulate quorum sensing to keep bacteria from attacking so that our own immune systems can kill them. Interestingly, aside from the normal scientific opposition (does it really work, how reproducible are the results, how feasible is this considering quorum sensing may be species-specific, etc.), some of the main opposition has come from pharmecuetical companies (or those associated with them). Their main concern is that it won't "catch on" with the public, because it isn't an antibiotic, it doesn't kill the bug, it just keeps it from being bad for you. They think people simply will not use them unless it's absolutely neccessary. I think it's an interesting interplay of biology and group psychology. Or that it just goes to show ;)

Yes - but how else should we cure people? We do still need new antibiotics. And judicial use of the ones that we have now.

Quorum sensing is real, in certain bacteria. It is how they sense the density of the culture, and decode when to start switching on stationary phase genes. Basically, it is the bugs built in defense mechanism against overcrowding itself.

It has been proposed as a target for combatting bacteria in that if one can fool the bugs into thinking they have saturated their growth medium (in this case, that would be you) one can indeed stop them from growing. At that point, it is hoped that the bodies natural defense mechanism would kick in and clear the last of the invaders out. It is also nice in that different bacteria use distinct (at least their are several known) quorum sensors, and so the drug could be tailored to a specific (group of) organisms. Also, since we (humans) do not use quorum sensors (AFAIK ;) ) - less toxic side effects.

Another advantage over traditional antibiotics is that it doesn't kill the cells. How is that an advantage, I hear you ask... Well, some bacteria (take E. coli 0157 for example - the "hamburger bug") release more toxins when they are hit with antibiotics, leading to increased mortality. Thus, if they could be killed "gently", there is less damage to the host (again - you).

Of course, IMHO, vaccines are the way to go...

[pgwenthold Pubmed covers a lot of the chemical, as well as clinical literature. I don't have ready access to CAS though...]
 

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