Should Canada become USA's 'Cherished 51st State' [Trump]?

Should Canada become the 51st State of the USA?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • No

    Votes: 13 21.0%

  • Hell no!!!

    Votes: 51 82.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • Total voters
    62
LiteBright said:
Canadians cancel U.S. travel plans amid anger over tariffs, weak loonie

Now that sweeping tariffs on most goods headed to the U.S. from Canada and Mexico are in place, travellers show no signs of reversing that trend.

“We’re making those choices to travel to destinations that really align more with our values,” said Flight Centre spokeswoman Amra Durakovic.

Air Canada announced last month it would reduce flights by 10 per cent to Florida, Las Vegas and Arizona starting in March — usually go-to hot spots during spring break season.

WestJet said in an email there has been a shift in bookings from the U.S. to other sun destinations such as Mexico and the Caribbean.

The number of U.S.-bound flights from budget carrier Flair Airlines is down 24 per cent year-over-year for March, according to aviation data firm Cirium. Air Transat flight figures fell 12 per cent, while Sunwing Airlines scrapped all its U.S. flights.
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Paywalled but the meat of it is in the quote.
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There's always the Mediterranean, tropical paradises in South East Asia, and ...g'day! :w2:
 
Yeah. I can kind of see myself living in Vancouver. Wouldn't be that different.

Except most people would be nicer.
 
Norman Alexander said:
There's always the Mediterranean, tropical paradises in South East Asia, and ...g'day! :w2:
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I would love to visit Australia. The only thing stopping me is 16 hours on a plane. I am a big guy and I get claustrophobic after about 2 hours. I can't imagine spending 2/3 of a day cooped up in one.

Once musk releases his teleportation technology later this year we'll see.
 
LiteBright said:
I would love to visit Australia. The only thing stopping me is 16 hours on a plane. I am a big guy and I get claustrophobic after about 2 hours. I can't imagine spending 2/3 of a day cooped up in one.

Once musk releases his teleportation technology later this year we'll see.
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Plenty of cruise ships at reasonable prices these days cross the Pacific. If you have the time.
 
Cross-border trips to the U.S. reach COVID lows with nearly 500,000 fewer travellers in February (CBC.ca, Mar 18, 2025)
The poor Canada-U.S. exchange rate, which is partly driven by Trump's trade policies, has made jaunts over the border less attractive for many Canadian tourists and bargain-hunting shoppers.
But Barrett said cross-border traffic declines are not because of the bad exchange rate — she thinks it's driven by the anti-tariff sentiment that's led many Canadians to drop travel to the U.S. while the country is in this fight with Trump.
"We've seen the dollar fluctuate up and down before and we haven't seen this sort of dramatic decline," she said. "If it was all about the dollar — we'd have a flood of Americans coming over and we're not seeing that."
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I think it's all the fentanyl smugglers who lost the incentive to head south!
 
Canada, the US, and Mexico should break up and reform into 4 to 5 countries split mostly vertically. A left coast a right coast and two or three in between.
 
ahhell said:
Canada, the US, and Mexico should break up and reform into 4 to 5 countries split mostly vertically. A left coast a right coast and two or three in between.
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But on the right side, how would you break up the south from the NE?

Presumably, NE would go to Canada, left coast to reasonable people, and Mexico, I would not know.

So (1) New Canada with current NE states.

(2) Confederate States of America for SE

(3) United States of the Midwest. Maybe Alberta thrown in.

(4) People's Republic of the West -- not sure how Arizona, Wyoming, Idaho or Utah would fit in there. They can choose their new country.

(5) Mexico, cuz they don't speak American
 
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Back before the Department of Education was defunded they'd probably have said west coast and east coast. I guess in 2025 we should also say that Canada and Mexico are upwards and downwards.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Back before the Department of Education was defunded they'd probably have said west coast and east coast. I guess in 2025 we should also say that Canada and Mexico are upwards and downwards.
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Conspiracy theory time!

Trump wants to dismantle DoE because it will lead to a dumbing down of Americans who might be able to reason critically.

Nah, just kidding, he just doesn't like thinking other people might be smarter than him.
 
Well, at least now we know that should the US decide to invade Canada all troop movements and timings can be obtained by asking to join the relevant Signal chat. Or maybe they'll be published on Twitter.
 
God, what part of the Federal Govrnement is not the primary provider of education ...that is the job of state and local governments....don;t people here get?
And I think dismantling the Department of Education...at least the way it is being done.... is a bad idea.
 
dudalb said:
God, what part of the Federal Govrnement is not the primary provider of education ...that is the job of state and local governments....don;t people here get?
And I think dismantling the Department of Education...at least the way it is being done.... is a bad idea.
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I don't think anyone said it was a provider of education. There's a lot more to running schools and national education than school lunches.

For a start, curriculum coordination and standards. Having some states working to a standard that barely giving students enough education to be shelf stackers and factory sweepers, while others aim up to university degrees, hardly seems fair on the kids. Holding all states to a standard is exactly what the DoE does. Does not remove a state's right to provide education.

Next, all states have some identical basic education needs that each of them will need to afford separately. That is expensive. But if they all used the one shared resource...cost efficiency.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I don't think anyone said it was a provider of education. There's a lot more to running schools and national education than school lunches.

For a start, curriculum coordination and standards. Having some states working to a standard that barely giving students enough education to be shelf stackers and factory sweepers, while others aim up to university degrees, hardly seems fair on the kids. Holding all states to a standard is exactly what the DoE does. Does not remove a state's right to provide education.

Next, all states have some identical basic education needs that each of them will need to afford separately. That is expensive. But if they all used the
one shared resource...cost efficiency.
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You mean a like a civilised society where those with advantages help those without for the benefit of all?

That is not the libertarian mindset. For them free will is all and the inherent randomness and dumb stupid luck in life are completely ignored.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
You mean a like a civilised society where those with advantages help those without for the benefit of all?
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I know! What a bigly super dumb idea like nobody has ever seen before.
Ivor the Engineer said:
That is not the libertarian mindset. For them free will is all and the inherent randomness and dumb stupid luck in life are completely ignored.
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None of them has ever been poor.
 
Donald warns the EU not to be friends with Canada or else!

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale Tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both in order to protect the best friend that each of those two countries has ever had!
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Ivor the Engineer said:
You mean a like a civilised society where those with advantages help those without for the benefit of all?
That is not the libertarian mindset. For them free will is all and the inherent randomness and dumb stupid luck in life are completely ignored.
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Not to mention the rigged system, the stacking of the deck, which is anything but random ...
 
Yeah, Canada and the EU certainly are two countries afraid of isolating the Bigly Dumb States of Maga.

Except the EU isn't one country, Canada has already defied the moron in cahoots with the EU and México is negotiating with China for a market share of crude....
At the behest of China.

It must be hard to see the ship is sinking with all that water inside the hull.
 
I'm hoping the world will be able to forgive us in 4 years. We're really sorry about this, guys. Just remember WWII and stuff and how much we really love you all. This is not our finest hour. Please just think of this as a bigoted drunk uncle who got obnoxious and won't be invited to the parties again.
 
Carney:

"I respect Trump's goal to support American workers. But I disagree with him that this is how to help. With time, it will become apparently that these actions will end up hurting American workers and American consumers ... our response to these latest tariffs is to fight."

"The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over."
 
Thermal said:
I'm hoping the world will be able to forgive us in 4 years. We're really sorry about this, guys. Just remember WWII and stuff and how much we really love you all. This is not our finest hour. Please just think of this as a bigoted drunk uncle who got obnoxious and won't be invited to the parties again.
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Something I wrote elsewhere in response to a similar comment:

"Not sure that repair is possible. A considerable number of Americans have shown support for breaking of agreements and betrayal of trust. Those Americans are very unlikely to change their minds, so future trust of the USA by Canadians is unlikely."

And it saddens me, as the husband of an American citizen born in Oregon, and as the father of a daughter who could be marrying her American (Texas) boyfriend in the not too distant future, to think that the relationship between our countries has deteriorated like this.
 
Thermal said:
I'm hoping the world will be able to forgive us in 4 years. We're really sorry about this, guys. Just remember WWII and stuff and how much we really love you all. This is not our finest hour. Please just think of this as a bigoted drunk uncle who got obnoxious and won't be invited to the parties again.
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That uncle will perish eventually. I'm however afraid the evil populace of USA will prevail.
 
Canadian Prime Minister is now talking about "adjusting" the contract we have to purchase F-35s...

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-elec...artin-fighter-jet-contract-could-be-adjusted/
Liberal Leader Mark Carney on Tuesday said if his party won the federal election on April 28, it would look at how the planned purchase of 88 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters could be adjusted. Carney last week ordered a review of the $19-billion contract, in part because he said Canada relied too much on the United States for security.

I suspect that probably won't go anywhere. (We're scheduled to get the first batch of 16 F35s soon, but in theory we could cancel the rest of the order and go with the Gripen or Eurofighter, but then we'd be flying 2 different planes. Or, he could drop the purchase from 88 to 65 planes, the original planned number that the conservatives under harper were going to purchase until Justin "The Hair" trudeau messed with the purchase.)

I always wonder why Canada doesn't consider purchasing planes from South Korea. (They have a pretty strong aerospace industry, and they are developing their own stealth jet.)
 
Segnosaur said:
Canadian Prime Minister is now talking about "adjusting" the contract we have to purchase F-35s...

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-elec...artin-fighter-jet-contract-could-be-adjusted/
Liberal Leader Mark Carney on Tuesday said if his party won the federal election on April 28, it would look at how the planned purchase of 88 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters could be adjusted. Carney last week ordered a review of the $19-billion contract, in part because he said Canada relied too much on the United States for security.

I suspect that probably won't go anywhere. (We're scheduled to get the first batch of 16 F35s soon, but in theory we could cancel the rest of the order and go with the Gripen or Eurofighter, but then we'd be flying 2 different planes. Or, he could drop the purchase from 88 to 65 planes, the original planned number that the conservatives under harper were going to purchase until Justin "The Hair" trudeau messed with the purchase.)

I always wonder why Canada doesn't consider purchasing planes from South Korea. (They have a pretty strong aerospace industry, and they are developing their own stealth jet.)
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Or become a partner in the new Tempest stealth fighter alongside the UK, Japan and Sweden.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Donald warns the EU not to be friends with Canada or else!
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale Tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both in order to protect the best friend that each of those two countries has ever had!
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Very appropriate use of the past tense there, Donald.
 
Vance on Canada: "They just don't have the cards. There is no way that Canada can win a trade war with the United States."
 
Andy_Ross said:
Vance on Canada: "They just don't have the cards. There is no way that Canada can win a trade war with the United States."
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Classic Vance. Repeating Trump's perfect press conference with Zelensky when Trump said the same thing about Ukraine.

Loved Zelensky's response: "I am not playing cards."

I'm thinking Trump sees this global crisis as just a big poker game.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Segnosaur said:
Canadian Prime Minister is now talking about "adjusting" the contract we have to purchase F-35s...
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I always wonder why Canada doesn't consider purchasing planes from South Korea. (They have a pretty strong aerospace industry, and they are developing their own stealth jet.)
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Or become a partner in the new Tempest stealth fighter alongside the UK, Japan and Sweden.
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That could have been an option, but I don't think the Tempest can be available until the mid 2030s, and Canada's current fleet of F18s will probably need to be replaced before then.
 
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That could have been an option, but I don't think the Tempest can be available until the mid 2030s, and Canada's current fleet of F18s will probably need to be replaced before then.
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Off the shelf Rafales or Typhoons (Eurofighter)

Also the Saab if the USA doesn't somehow nix the engines, but they could be reworked to sue the Eurojet EJ200 fitted to the Typhoon.

In the longer term there is the French/German/Spanish Future Air Combat System and the Anglo French Future Combat Air System.
 
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Better to develop a network of AI drones to be monitored from the ground or from an AWAC than continue investing in manned fighter jets. It is both terrifying and liberating to think about the effectiveness of low cost swarmfare, manned-unmanned teaming, and so on. El-cheapo submarine drone carriers are sure to be around soon, if not already. Imagine what a few going up the Mississippi, Cheseapeake/Potomac, or St. Lawrence could do. Smaller players, effectively equipped, can now punch above their weight class.

Just a tad too late for Canada and Mexico to get with it, but they should both have crash programs, as bully USA is likely here to stay. Eff the hyper expensive hardware; smaller nations go broke just maintaining a few flight-worthy aircraft. In the hyper visible, nearly all-missile warfare of today, expensive hardware should go to command and control only (not that missiles are not expensive).

Without all this imperial nonsense, and playing the role the world was happy to concede it, the US was poised for runaway success in the foreseeable future. Instead, it has managed to come up with the perfect scenario for rapid decline; a collapse in trade and cutthroat internal strife. Smart!

ETA: Forgot: Also trashing their environment with glee. Truly genius.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Vance on Canada: "They just don't have the cards. There is no way that Canada can win a trade war with the United States."
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Yeah, what do they have anyway? Tons of oil, quality modern sea ports, a robust agricultural system, friendly relations with just about everyone, cheap high-quality beer, great hockey teams, first class movie/TV production facilities in Toronto, and a growing tech sector. I give Canada maybe two centuries before they throw in the tuque.
 
Axxman300 said:
Vance on Canada: "They just don't have the cards. There is no way that Canada can win a trade war with the United States."
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Yeah, what do they have anyway? Tons of oil, quality modern sea ports, a robust agricultural system, friendly relations with just about everyone, cheap high-quality beer, great hockey teams, first class movie/TV production facilities in Toronto, and a growing tech sector. I give Canada maybe two centuries before they throw in the tuque.
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You forgot Canada also has a whole lot of mineral wealth (iron ore in Labrador and the north, nickle in ontario, diamonds in the north, potash in the west), electrical capacity (hydro from quebec, nuclear from Ontario), and Lumber (primarily from BC).

Also, Vance and Trump don't seem to understand, in any Trade war with the U.S., Canada has 2 advantages:

- Canadians will use any sort of trade dispute to "rally round the flag" even if they face hardships, whereas the Trump administration will probably be scrambling to explain to voters why the tariff-fueled inflation doesn't really exist because they don't want to look bad

- Canada (and other countries) are smarter about retaliation. Trump sticks tariffs on almost everything seemingly at random; other countries pick and chose retaliation that often targets Trump's base. (tariffs on agricultural products for example that hit red states hardest.)
 
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