Should Canada become USA's 'Cherished 51st State' [Trump]?

Should Canada become the 51st State of the USA?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • No

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • Hell no!!!

    Votes: 51 82.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Total voters
    62
I've never been an overtly nationalistic person but I say this with conviction: My last breath will be taken as a Canadian citizen. If I have to lay down my life fighting this, I will.
 
B.C. aims to attract U.S. doctors and nurses leveraging ‘uncertainty and chaos’ (ChekNews, Mar 11, 2025)
B.C. is removing barriers for U.S. trained doctors to practice in the province and will start a recruitment campaign to attract them amid the “uncertainty and chaos happening south of our border.”
The B.C. government is working with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC to enable U.S.-trained doctors that hold certification from the American Board of Medical Specialties to become fully licensed in the province without further assessment, training or examination.
The Ministry of Health says this follows similar moves taken by Ontario, Nova Scotia and News Brunswick. B.C. aims to implement this in “the next few months.”
This initiative comes as the province continues to try and bring more doctors to the province, on the heels of the new payment model which has brought 1,001 doctors to B.C., according to Doctors of BC.
Sounds like a way out - at least for doctors and nurses ...
 
Why do we have to have an insecure ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ for a president that wants to be Alexander the Great, conquering territories and having children of the future sing songs about what he did? Give me a Bernie anyday.
 
Finally, movies about the bad guys will feature the stars and stripes (and star of david), and not old German helmets and arm bands. 'Bout time.
In the meantime, I can recommend a Cuban movie:
Kangamba (MRonline, Sep 30, 2008)
Kangamba (IMDb)

Kangamba (Film 2008 subtitled) on YouTube, Jan 3, 2025 - 1:36:49)
'Kangamba' by Rogelio Paris, Cuban Institute of Cinematographic Art and Industry.
Kangamba is a Cuban fictional war feature film made in 2008. Produced by ICAIC, the film was directed by Rogelio París. This large-scale film recalls the actions of the Cuban troops who participated in Angola in that decisive battle.
#cuba #film #angola #décolonisation #warmovie #icaic

I don't remember if Stars and Stripes actually appears in the movie since the immediate enemy is the U.S. ally, the apartheid nation of South Africa.

Apropos: Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather (TheAtlantic, Sep 20, 2023)
 
I've never been an overtly nationalistic person but I say this with conviction: My last breath will be taken as a Canadian citizen. If I have to lay down my life fighting this, I will.

I'd recommend trying to destabilise their economy and bring about widespread economic deprivation, but it seems like someone's ahead of me.
 
Well this is one way to deal with the Trump years...

Canadian brewery selling pack of 1,461 beers to cope with Trump's presidency
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I'd recommend trying to destabilise their economy and bring about widespread economic deprivation, but it seems like someone's ahead of me.
If the US actually did put troops into Canada, the global order breaks into three totalitarian spheres of influence, which is what Trump seems to have in mind with all his claims to land. Thoughtcrimes, like anti-Trump syndrome, become punishable by law or mere fiat, a thumbs down from Dear Leader. Orwellian, indeed.
 
If the US actually did put troops into Canada, the global order breaks into three totalitarian spheres of influence, which is what Trump seems to have in mind with all his claims to land. Thoughtcrimes, like anti-Trump syndrome, become punishable by law or mere fiat, a thumbs down from Dear Leader. Orwellian, indeed.

Its probably a good idea for many of us who have been outspoken online to watch what we say. We live in an era where nothing is forgotten and nothing is irretrievable. Orwell had the right idea but even the technology used in 1984 pales in comparison with the totalitarian infrastructure we've allowed to be built all around us. We assumed that western governments would never turn on their own people. But its not impossible to believe now.
 
Its probably a good idea for many of us who have been outspoken online to watch what we say. We live in an era where nothing is forgotten and nothing is irretrievable. Orwell had the right idea but even the technology used in 1984 pales in comparison with the totalitarian infrastructure we've allowed to be built all around us. We assumed that western governments would never turn on their own people. But its not impossible to believe now.
I am mindful of that. Since they will be taking me down regardless, best to relish the well-stoked, choking outrage and disgust of my tormentors rather than some tepid, whiny excuse. Cruelty knows no national borders, but I am glad not to reside in any of the superpower nations. On that note, imagine what manner of torture is already been shown to be in use, then double it. Future is not bright, so techbros with AI powered servant bots, that's the way to go, surely.

More seriously on that note, China Update (YT) was reporting today claims that China will reach full AI factory automation prior to anyone else. No way that could go wrong, essentially providing a womb for more AI robots.
 
Its probably a good idea for many of us who have been outspoken online to watch what we say. We live in an era where nothing is forgotten and nothing is irretrievable. Orwell had the right idea but even the technology used in 1984 pales in comparison with the totalitarian infrastructure we've allowed to be built all around us. We assumed that western governments would never turn on their own people. But its not impossible to believe now.
Are you recommending anticipatory obedience?
 
A new poll shows only 8% of Americans support annexing Canada either by economic (6%) or military force (2%).

A couple of things stick out to me. First that the desire to annex Canada seems to be more unpopular in the US than in Canada where the idea has polled as high as 13%. Although I suspect a lot of that support is a protest from fringe elements like the 'wexit' party and gun fondlers and so forth and they would change their tune if such a thing actually got close to reality.

Secondly, do 1 in 50 americans really think the US should invade Canada? Even that number is too high for comfort.

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A new poll shows only 8% of Americans support annexing Canada either by economic (6%) or military force (2%).

A couple of things stick out to me. First that the desire to annex Canada seems to be more unpopular in the US than in Canada where the idea has polled as high as 13%. Although I suspect a lot of that support is a protest from fringe elements like the 'wexit' party and gun fondlers and so forth and they would change their tune if such a thing actually got close to reality.

Secondly, do 1 in 50 americans really think the US should invade Canada? Even that number is too high for comfort.

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Probably not. 1 in 50 is likely representing the truly dimwitted end of the spectrum, maybe with a smattering of our violent sociopath demographic that wants to rape puppies too. And because it is a poll, the troll /not taking question seriously response is often in that 2% area. You have nothing to fear from the people of the United States. We love you. Even Agent Orange's own supporters are not down with any of this. It's one lone sociopath, not a movement or a nation full of them.

We love you. We're sorry about this.
 
Probably not. 1 in 50 is likely representing the truly dimwitted end of the spectrum, maybe with a smattering of our violent sociopath demographic that wants to rape puppies too. And because it is a poll, the troll /not taking question seriously response is often in that 2% area. You have nothing to fear from the people of the United States. We love you. Even Agent Orange's own supporters are not down with any of this. It's one lone sociopath, not a movement or a nation full of them.

We love you. We're sorry about this.
Yes there are probably a small cohort of people who didn't hear or understand the questions or just started mashing buttons on their phone to make the survey end.

Don't worry, we have just as many deranged sociopaths as you have. Its just that yours are better armed.
 
A new poll shows only 8% of Americans support annexing Canada either by economic (6%) or military force (2%).

A couple of things stick out to me. First that the desire to annex Canada seems to be more unpopular in the US than in Canada where the idea has polled as high as 13%. Although I suspect a lot of that support is a protest from fringe elements like the 'wexit' party and gun fondlers and so forth and they would change their tune if such a thing actually got close to reality.

Secondly, do 1 in 50 americans really think the US should invade Canada? Even that number is too high for comfort.

Poll Data
That's 7 million people who think the US should invade Canada and around 30 million who support conquering it one way or another - scary, especially if a lot of them are senior administration members or military folk.
 
That's 7 million people who think the US should invade Canada and around 30 million who support conquering it one way or another - scary, especially if a lot of them are senior administration members or military folk.
Lets assume they are slobbering idiots or tubby Meal Team 6 posers who are too timid IRL to send a steak back. Trash-talking weaklings vastly outnumber the actual dangerous guys.
 
Lets assume they are slobbering idiots or tubby Meal Team 6 posers who are too timid IRL to send a steak back. Trash-talking weaklings vastly outnumber the actual dangerous guys.
True, but if Trump and/or Vance are among them it could easily happen.

Edited to add....

I made the mistake early on thinking that Trump caused things back in 2016 when in fact he was just a symptom of the thoughts and feelings of a majority, or at least a very large minority, of the US electorate.

Same here, if Trump says it, it's because tens of millions think it, and if they don't now they will in a few days once the right wing media and social media machine has done its job.
 
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Same here, if Trump says it, it's because tens of millions think it, and if they don't now they will in a few days once the right wing media and social media machine has done its job.
After centuries of warfare between Denmark and Sweden, the two countries became very friendly in the decades after the Napoleonic wars. In fact, so friendly that a union was a serious possibility at one point. However, after more than a hundred years of friendship and brotherhood, a dispute over possible oil rights in the waters between the two countries caused the tabloids to adopt a warlike stance, and suddenly there were people who wanted to fight over this issue. Eventually, no oil was found, and the countries returned to friendly terms. But it was quite “interesting” to watch how quickly the press could change some people’s minds to want war.

I had a number of friends in the old Yugoslavia, and they came from different parts of the country: Slovenia, Croatia, and Serbia. They told me that in the old days there had been enmity, particularly after the Second World War, but now everybody loved each other, and many people didn’t know if they were Serbian or Croatian. Then suddenly, politicians and media wanted war, and the country fell to pieces in a bloody civil war. Everybody quickly found out if they were Serbian, Croatian, or something else.

The lesson is that these friendships are fragile. The right politicians can with help of scrupulous media turn friendship into bloody war in a manner of a few months.
 
True, but if Trump and/or Vance are among them it could easily happen.

Edited to add....
I made the mistake early on thinking that Trump caused things back in 2016 when in fact he was just a symptom of the thoughts and feelings of a majority, or at least a very large minority, of the US electorate.
Same here, if Trump says it, it's because tens of millions think it, and if they don't now they will in a few days once the right wing media and social media machine has done its job.

Trump wasn't and isn't "just a symptom of the thoughts and feelings of a majority, or at least a very large minority," of Americans.
It becomes clear that he isn't if you consider what happens when he suddenly throws out a new 'idea' and the MAGAmericans immediately embrace it.
Or do you think that MAGA always thought that the Mexican Gulf needed to be renamed, that windturbines cause cancer, or that Panama, Canada and Greenland should be American?
I am not saying that it doesn't require a certain level of ignorance and stupidity to embrace those ideas, but you shouldn't ignore the influence that the leader of a nationalistic cult has on his followers. He listens to them and adopts some of the grievances that he notices in the MAGA movement - for instance the stories about pet-eating Haitians and dangerous vaccines - but he himself is the one who comes up with most of them.
There is no reason to think that Trump didn't cause things back in 2016, but he didn't cause everything. Much of the groundwork had been laid over the years. Truthiness, for instance, is older than Kellyanne Conway's alternative facts. That billionaires can buy U.S. elections is also much older than the first Trump administration.
 
After centuries of warfare between Denmark and Sweden, the two countries became very friendly in the decades after the Napoleonic wars. In fact, so friendly that a union was a serious possibility at one point. However, after more than a hundred years of friendship and brotherhood, a dispute over possible oil rights in the waters between the two countries caused the tabloids to adopt a warlike stance, and suddenly there were people who wanted to fight over this issue. Eventually, no oil was found, and the countries returned to friendly terms. But it was quite “interesting” to watch how quickly the press could change some people’s minds to want war.
I had a number of friends in the old Yugoslavia, and they came from different parts of the country: Slovenia, Croatia, and Serbia. They told me that in the old days there had been enmity, particularly after the Second World War, but now everybody loved each other, and many people didn’t know if they were Serbian or Croatian. Then suddenly, politicians and media wanted war, and the country fell to pieces in a bloody civil war. Everybody quickly found out if they were Serbian, Croatian, or something else.
The lesson is that these friendships are fragile. The right politicians can with help of scrupulous media turn friendship into bloody war in a manner of a few months.
The right politicians are very often not politicians in the countries where the (civil) wars are waged. Wikipedia writes:
SFR Yugoslavia's constituent republics declared independence due to unresolved tensions between ethnic minorities in the new countries, which fueled the wars.
'Unresolved tensions' can be created if they aren't already there. USAID has been very good at it but isn't always successful.
 
True, but if Trump and/or Vance are among them it could easily happen.

Edited to add....

I made the mistake early on thinking that Trump caused things back in 2016 when in fact he was just a symptom of the thoughts and feelings of a majority, or at least a very large minority, of the US electorate.

Same here, if Trump says it, it's because tens of millions think it, and if they don't now they will in a few days once the right wing media and social media machine has done its job.
Honestly, I don't think.the rabble is on board with all this. A poll was cited around here somewhere that 92% of Americans did not support economic or military coercion to make Canada a US state. The Trumpanzees I run across in the wild kind of... don't know what to do with these Presidential musings. They are much more into the whole White Nationalist thing, not the Alexander the Great thing.
 
Some one once said you c an get 10% of any population to agree with any idiociy you care to propose.
 
No not at all. I'm suggesting not telegraphing your dissidence on the internet where it will potentially make one a target while accomplishing very little. Be smart and keep yourself free for real acts of resistance when the time comes.
Given the Dann lives in Eastern Europe, I think posting nasty things about Trump is not a danger to him.
And, frankly, i thin you are becoming a little paranoid.
 
Given the Dann lives in Eastern Europe, I think posting nasty things about Trump is not a danger to him.
And, frankly, i thin you are becoming a little paranoid.
With respect, I don't think I am. I cross the border regularly and have been interrogated for hours, handcuffed, threatened, watched through a window as agents inspected my vehicle including opening my suitcase and dumping my clothes in the parking lot. And this was long before the Trump era. In late 2001, during a customs inspection the agent took a book out of my luggage that was about the roots of the IRAN/IRAQ war and told me "You should be careful what type of books you are bringing in to our country these days".

And I am a white guy with zero criminal record. I don't think I am being paranoid at all. Rather, I think the average American doesn't fully appreciate how your country treats outsiders. And that was before you had a deranged president hellbent on revenge against perceived enemies, real or imagined.
 
Given the Dann lives in Eastern Europe, I think posting nasty things about Trump is not a danger to him.
And, frankly, i thin you are becoming a little paranoid.
I think it is time you stopped underestimating the bigotry and privileged authoritarianism that has been a systemic part of America for decades and is now getting exposed.
 
Canada will 'never' be part of US, says Carney in first speech as PM

Carney is now asked if he will be seeking reassurances in Europe that Canada will never become the "51st state" of the US, as President Trump has claimed recently.

"We will never, in any shape or form, be part of the US," he tells the crowd, echoing similar remarks he has made previously.

Carney says a ceremony like the swearing in today, and the group of ministers behind him, are nothing like America's system of government.

"We are very fundamentally a different country," Carney says, adding that the country "expects respect" from America and Trump.

 
Carney calls Marco Rubio's latest 51st state comment ‘crazy’
published at 17:22
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Staying on a US theme and Carney is asked about Secretary of State Marco Rubio's comments this morning saying that "economically speaking Canada would be better as the 51st state of the United States."

Rubio said this during a G7 foreign ministers' meeting that is being held in Quebec.

"It's crazy," Prime Minister Carney says in response. "That's all you can say."

 
Can we get Canadians, Americans, and Mexicans together and form the North American Union or something and kick all these bastards to the curb? I've totally had it with all of them.
 
Canadians and Mexicans are unlikely to have any trust in any agreement with the USA.

The biggest lesson in the western world right now is this: we are never more than an election away from the US turning on us. That won't be forgotten anytime soon.
 
Canadians cancel U.S. travel plans amid anger over tariffs, weak loonie

Now that sweeping tariffs on most goods headed to the U.S. from Canada and Mexico are in place, travellers show no signs of reversing that trend.

“We’re making those choices to travel to destinations that really align more with our values,” said Flight Centre spokeswoman Amra Durakovic.

Air Canada announced last month it would reduce flights by 10 per cent to Florida, Las Vegas and Arizona starting in March — usually go-to hot spots during spring break season.

WestJet said in an email there has been a shift in bookings from the U.S. to other sun destinations such as Mexico and the Caribbean.

The number of U.S.-bound flights from budget carrier Flair Airlines is down 24 per cent year-over-year for March, according to aviation data firm Cirium. Air Transat flight figures fell 12 per cent, while Sunwing Airlines scrapped all its U.S. flights.

Paywalled but the meat of it is in the quote.
 

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