Russia vs Ukraine: Explained In 10-Minutes

[dellarte]

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[Oystein]

Palki Sharma Upadhyay is not wasting time. These 10 minutes are comprehensive and to the point.
She also is not unbiased.

 

[Lithrael]

It is what it says on the box though. Just a quick primer really. Get you up to speed if you aren’t familiar with what’s been going on. The only feedback that would be more helpful would be if anyone had an opinion on what kind of slant it’s being told from, or if it’s mostly standard consensus etc.

 

[Oystein]

It is what it says on the box though. Just a quick primer really. Get you up to speed if you aren’t familiar with what’s been going on. The only feedback that would be more helpful would be if anyone had an opinion on what kind of slant it’s being told from, or if it’s mostly standard consensus etc.

There is somewhat of an anti-Russia (or at least anti-Putin) slant, as becomes apparent e.g. when she announces, after 25 seconds: "We will tell you why Russian president Vladimir Putin is obsessed with Ukraine." That's loaded language that should not be used unless at the end of the video in a conclusion, if the content proves that assertion of a state of mind.

 

[Lithrael]

Thanks!

 

[Chanakya]

That part about how the ethnic Russians in the two rebel states were artificially and deliberately embedded there -- like the Chinese in Tibet? -- was new to me. Takes away what little justification might have been dredged up for their "liberation".

On the other hand, Israel? Which comparison might help put them, and the Chinese, kind of sort of in the right. That's the problem with bending over backwards. Weakens the spine. Leaves only bluster, or else resignation.

 

[The Don]

Here's a half hour video on a similar subject.



The reasons this person thinks are:

• Defensibility across the central European plain
• Ukraine's possible emergence as a petro-state
• Supply of water to Crimea
• Demographic issues relating to Russia's shrinking/ageing population

 

[acbytesla]

That part about how the ethnic Russians in the two rebel states were artificially and deliberately embedded there -- like the Chinese in Tibet? -- was new to me. Takes away what little justification might have been dredged up for their "liberation".

On the other hand, Israel? Which comparison might help put them, and the Chinese, kind of sort of in the right. That's the problem with bending over backwards. Weakens the spine. Leaves only bluster, or else resignation.

Or the English in Ireland. Or Europeans in the Americas maybe.

Just a lot more recent in the Ukraine.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here's a half hour video on a similar subject.



The reasons this person thinks are:

• Defensibility across the central European plain
• Ukraine's possible emergence as a petro-state
• Supply of water to Crimea
• Demographic issues relating to Russia's shrinking/ageing population

That's fascinating and much more informative than the Gravitas video above.

 

[smartcooky]

That's fascinating and much more informative than the Gravitas video above.

Aimed at a different target audience though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Aimed at a different target audience though.

Regardless, the differences were very concrete in the second one.

Crimea has a water problem, Ukraine cut the main water supply off.

Ukraine has enough oil (or gas) to be serious competition for Russia.

And so on.

 

[Chanakya]

Or the English in Ireland. Or Europeans in the Americas maybe.

Just a lot more recent in the Ukraine.

I don't know, if you push it back to whenever, then it applies to practically everybody, and therefore becomes meaningless I guess. While there's no real objective reason to draw some kind of inviolable line X, or Y, or Z years from the present, agreed, absolutely; but still, I should think anything done since say around WW2 or WW1 or so, like within around a 100 years or so, might count as "deliberately orchestrated", and so not really a matter of historical imperative.

Which takes that particular fig leaf away from Putin. And from China as well --- although of course those guys marched in without even pretending to a fig leaf and with their dickiness hanging all out, and did their relocation thing only afterwards. But then, again, there's the Israel thng, so...

 

[Chanakya]

Here's a half hour video on a similar subject.



The reasons this person thinks are:

• Defensibility across the central European plain
• Ukraine's possible emergence as a petro-state
• Supply of water to Crimea
• Demographic issues relating to Russia's shrinking/ageing population

That's fascinating and much more informative than the Gravitas video above.

Yep, that was a great video, although way longer but well worth watching.

In any case, both videos are concise and informative. Unless you're already a walking encyclopedia on things Russian and Ukrainian --- or have become one since the invasion, which isn't weird at all --- then either/both make/s for a great watch.

 

[dellarte]

MAGA vs Make Russia Great Again.