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If you don't know who Robert Anton Wilson is then you have something to look forward to, (IMO of course....)

Some of the people here, if they were dropped into the deep end of Wilson at his best would likely have a various serious "WOO WOO" reaction to him. Yet you will find him here....

http://www.nobeliefs.com/freethinkers.htm

....at the end of a list which goes....Paine, Jefferson, Ingersoll, Russell, Feynman, Asimov, Sagan, Gould, Kurtz, Dennet, Dawkins, Shermer, Randi......Wilson.

Pop-philospher, freethinker, science fiction writer, humorist, humanist, and perhaps the most sane person on earth. Wilson's entertaining writing makes the reader think. He doesn't always get the facts correct, perhaps by design, but this compels the reader to check his sources and to think. He represents one of the few human beings on earth who claims to own no beliefs.

Wilson juggles with belief systems. He mixes and matches fact and fiction in such a way that by the time you have finished one of his books you have given up trying to distinguish one from the other and have just sat back to enjoy the ride. Here is a man who is the founder of the imaginary CSICON (Comittee for Surrealist Investigation of Claims of the Normal).

Here is a sample of Wilson :

http://www.rawilson.com/trigger1.shtml

I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING

This remark was made, in these very words, by John Gribbin, physics editor of New Scientist magazine, in a BBC-TV debate with Malcolm Muggeridge, and it provoked incredulity o the part of most viewers. It seems to be a hangover of the medieval Catholic era that causes most people, even the educated, to think that everybody must "believe" something or other, that if one is not a theist, one must be a dogmatic atheist, and if one does not think Capitalism is perfect, one must believe fervently in Socialism, and if one does not have blind faith in X, one must alternatively have blind faith in not-X or the reverse of X.

My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended.

My attitude is identical to that of Dr. Gribbin and the majority of physicists today, and is known in physics as "the Copenhagen Interpretation," because it was formulated in Copenhagen by Dr. Niels Bohr and his co-workers c. 1926-28. The Copenhagen Interpretation is sometimes called "model agnosticism" and holds that any grid we use to organize our experience of the world is a model of the world and should not be confused with the world itself. Alfred Korzybski, the semanticist, tried to popularize this outside physics with the slogan, "The map is not the territory." Alan Watts, a talented exegete of Oriental philosophy, restated it more vividly as "The menu is not the meal."

Belief in the traditional sense, or certitude, or dogma, amounts to the grandiose delusion, "My current model" -- or grid, or map, or reality-tunnel -- "contains the whole universe and will never need to be revised." In terms of the history of science and knowledge in general, this appears absurd and arrogant to me, and I am perpetually astonished that so many people still manage to live with such a medieval attitude.

Cosmic Trigger deals with a process of deliberately induced brain change through which I put myself in the years 1962-1976. This process is called "initiation" or "vision quest" in many traditional societies and can loosely be considered some dangerous variety of self-psychotherapy in modern terminology. I do not recommend it for everybody, and I think I obtained more good results than bad ones chiefly because I had been through two varieties of ordinary psychotherapy before I started my own adventures and because I had a good background in scientific philosophy and was not inclined to "believe" any astounding Revelations too literally.

Briefly, the main thing I learned in my experiments is that "reality" is always plural and mutable.

Since most of Cosmic Trigger is devoted to explaining and illustrating this, and since I still encounter people who have read all my writings on this subject and still do not understand what I am getting at, I will try again in this new Preface to explain it ONE MORE TIME, perhaps more clearly than before.

"Reality" is a word in the English language which happens to be (a) a noun and (b) singular. Thinking in the English language (and in cognate Indo-European languages) therefore subliminally programs us to conceptualize "reality" as one block-like entity, sort of like a huge New York skyscraper, in which every part is just another "room" within the same building. This linguistic program is so pervasive that most people cannot "think" outside it at all, and when one tries to offer a different perspective they imagine one is talking gibberish.

The notion that "reality" is a noun, a solid thing like a brick or a baseball bat, derives from the evolutionary fact that our nervous systems normally organize the dance of energy into such block-like "things," probably as instant bio-survival cues. Such "things," however, dissolve back into energy dances -- processes or verbs -- when the nervous system is synergized with certain drugs or transmuted by yogic or shamanic exercises or aided by scientific instruments. In both mysticism and physics, there is general agreement that "things" are constructed by our nervous systems and that "realities" (plural) are better described as systems or bundles of energy functions.

So much for "reality" as a noun. The notion that "reality" is singular, like a hermetically sealed jar, does not jibe with current scientific findings which, in this century, suggest that "reality" may better be considered as flowing and meandering, like a river, or interacting, like a dance or evolving, like life itself.

Most philsophers have known, at least since around 500 B.C., that the world perceived by our senses is not "the real world" but a construct we create -- our own private work of art. Modern science began with Galileo's demonstration that color is not "in" objects but "in" the interaction of our senses with objects. Despite this philosophic and scientific knowledge of neurological relativity, which has been more clearly demonstrated with each major advance in instrumentation, we still, due to language, think that behind the flowing, meandering, inter-acting, evolving universe created by perception is one solid monolithic "reality" hard and crisply outlined as an iron bar.

Quantum physics has undermined that Platonic iron-bar "reality" by showing that it makes more sense scientifically to talk only of the inter-actions we actually experience (our operations in the laboratory) ; and perception psychology has undermined the Platonic "reality" by showing that assuming it exists leads to hopeless contradictions in explaining how we actually perceive that a hippopotamus is not a symphony orchestra.

The only "realities" (plural) that we actually experience and can talk meaningfully about are perceived realities, experienced realities, existential realities -- realities involving ourselves as editors -- and they are all relative to the observer, fluctuating, evolving, capable of being magnified and enriched, moving from low resolution to hi-fi, and do not fit together like the pieces of a jig-saw into one single Reality with a capital R. Rather, they cast illumination upon one another by contrast, like the paintings in a large museum, or the different symphonic styles of Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, and Mahler.

Alan Watts may have said it best of all: "The universe is a giant Rorschach ink-blot." Science finds one meaning in it in the 18th Century, another in the 19th, a third in the 20th; each artist finds unique meanings on other levels of abstraction; and each man and woman finds different meanings at different hours of the day, depending on the internal and external environments.

This book deals with what I have called induced brain change, which Dr. John Lilly more resoundingly calls "metaprogramming the human bio-computer." In simple Basic English, as a psychologist and novelist, I set out to find how much rapid re-organization was possible in the brain functioning of one normal domesticated primate of average intelligence -- the only one on whom I could ethically perform such risky research -- myself.

Like most people who have historically attempted such "metaprogramming," I soon found myself in metaphysical hot water. It became urgently obvious that my previous models and metaphors would not and could not account for what I was experiencing. I therefore had to create new models and metaphors as I went along. Since I was dealing with matters outside consensus reality-tunnels, some of my metaphors are rather extraordinary. That does not bother me, since I am at least as much an artist as a psychologist, but it does bother me when people take these metaphors too literally.

I beg you, gentle reader, to memorize the quote from Aleister Crowley at the beginning of Part One and repeat it to yourself if at any point you start thinking that I am bringing you the latest theological revelations from Cosmic Central.

What my experiments demonstrate -- what all such experiments throughout history have demonstrated -- is simply that our models of "reality" are very small and tidy, the universe of experience is huge and untidy, and no model can ever include all the huge untidiness perceived by uncensored consciousness.

I think, or hope, that my data also demonstrates that neurological model agnosticism -- the application of the Copenhagen Interpretation beyond physics to consciousness itself -- allows one to escape from certain limits of mechanical emotion and robot mentation that are inescapable as longa s one remains within one dogmatic model or one imprinted reality tunnel.

Personally I also suspect, or guess, or intuit, that the more unconventional of my models here -- the ones involving Higher Intelligence, such as the Cabalistic Holy Guardian Angel or the extraterrestrial from Sirius -- are necessary working tools at certain stages of the metaprogramming process.

That is, whether such entities exist anywhere outside our own imaginations, some areas of brain functioning cannot be accessed without using these "keys" to open the locks. I do not insist on this; it is just my own opinion. Some people seem to get through this area of Chapel Perilous without such personalized "Guides." I know of one chap who did it by imagining a super-computer in the future that was sending information backwards in time to his brain. More clever people may find even less "metaphysical" metaphors.

Ten years after the point at which this book ends, I do not care much about such speculations. Our lonely little selves can be "illuminated" or flooded with radical science-fiction style information and cosmic perspectives, and the source of this may be those extraterrestrials who seemed to be helping me at times, or the Secret Chiefs of Sufism, or the parapsychologists and/or computers of the 23rd Century beaming data backward in time, or it may just be the previously unactivated parts of our own brains. Despite the current reign of our New Inquisition, which attempts to halt research in this area, we will learn more about that as time passes. Meanwhile, agnosticism is both honest and becomingly modest....

In this connection, I am often asked about two books by other authors which are strangely resonant with Cosmic Trigger -- namely VALIS by Philip K. Dick and The Sirian Experiment by Doris Lessing. VALIS is a novel which broadly hints that it is more than a novel -- that it is an actual account of Phil Dick's own experience with some form of "Higher Intelligence." In fact, VALIS is only slightly fictionalized; the actual events on which it is based are recounted in a long interview Phil gave shortly before his death (see Philip K. Dick: The Last Testament, by Gregg Rickman.) The parallels with my own experience are numerous -- but so are the differences. If the same source was beaming ideas to both Phil and me, the messages got our individual flavors mixed into them as we decoded the signals.

I met Phil Dick on two or three occasions and corresponded with him a bit. My impression was that he was worried that his experience was a temporary insanity and was trying to figure out if I was nutty, too. I'm not sure if he ever decided.

I interviewed Doris Lessing a few years ago for New Age magazine. She takes synchronicities very seriously, but was as agnostic as I am about the possibility that some of them are orchestrated by Sirians.

I heartily recommend all three volumes -- VALIS, The Last Testament and The Sirian Experiments -- to readers of this book. Unless you are locked into a very dogmatic reality-tunnel, you will have a few weird moments of wondering if Sirians are experimenting on us, and a few weird moments can be a liberating experience for those who aren't scared to death by them.

What is more important than such extra-mundane speculation, I think, are practical and pragmatic questions about what one does with the results of brain change experience. It is quite easy, I have discovered by meeting many New Age people, to use the techniques in this book and go stone crazy with them. Paranoid and schizophrenic cases are quite common among those who experiment in this area. Less clinical, but socially even more nefarious, are the leagues of self-proclaimed gurus and their equally deluded disciples, who have discovered, as I did, that there are many realities (plural), but have picked out one favorite non-Occidental reality-tunnel, named it Ultimate Reality or True Reality, and established new fanaticisms, snobberies, dogmas and cults around these delusions.

There is a great deal of lyrical Utopianism in this book. I do not apologize for that, and do not regret it. The decade that has passed since the first edition has not altered my basic commitment to the game-rule that holds that an optimistic mind-set finds dozens of possible solutions for every problem that the pessimist regards as incurable.

Since we all create our habitual reality-tunnels, either consciously and intelligently or unconsciously and mechanically, I prefer to create for each hour the happiest, funniest, and most romantic reality-tunnel consistent with the signals my brain apprehends. I feel sorry for people who persistently organize experience into sad, dreary and hopeless reality tunnels, and try to show them how to break the bad habit, but I don't feel any masochistic duty to share their misery.

This book does not claim that you "create your own reality" in the sense of total (but mysteriously unconscious) psychokinesis. If a car hits you and puts you in the hospital, I do not believe this is because you "really wanted" to be hit by a car, or that you "needed" to be hit by a car, as two popular New Age bromides have it. The theory of transactionaly psychology, which is the source of my favorite models and metaphors, merely says that, once you have been hit by a car, the meaning of the experience depends entirely on you and the results depend partly on you (and partly on your doctors). If it is medically possible for you to live -- and sometimes even if the doctors think it is medically impossible -- you ultimately decide whether to get out of the hospital in a hurry or to lie around suffering and complaining.

Most of the time, this kind of "decision" is unconscious and mechanical, but with the techniques described in this book, such decisions can become conscious and intelligent.

The last part of this book deals with the worst tragedy of my life. I want to say, without self-pity (a vice I despise) that my years on this planet have included many other terrible and punishing experiences, starting with two bouts of polio when I was a child and including dozens of other things I don't want to complain about in public. When I write of creating a better and more optimistic reality-tunnel, of transcending ego-games, and of similar matters, it is not because I have lived in an ivory tower. It is because I have learned a few practical techniques for dealing with the brutal conditions on this primitive planet.

People at my lectures and seminars usually ask me if I am still optimistic about civilian space programs and life extension. I am more optimistic than ever. Despite the seemingly terminal case of rigidicus bureaucraticus at NASA, I have reason to believe certain European countries will soon jointly launch the kind of space migration effort advocated here; and Reagan's SDI, for all its jingoism, means that more money will be spent on basic research than at any previous time in history.

On the life extension front, there have been several best-sellers on the subject since this book first appeared; there is interest even in the most intellectually backward part of U.S. society (namely, the Congress); and scientiests in the longevity field whom I have met recently all cheerfully say they are getting more moeny for research than in the 70s. The breakthrough cannot be far away.

Finaly as a matter of some entertainment value, not all the mail I have received about this book has been intelligent and thoughtful. I have recieved several quite nutty and unintentionally funny poison-pen letters from two groups of dogmatists -- Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Materialists.

The Fundamentalist Christians have told me that I am a slave of Satan and should have the demons expelled with an exorcism. The Fundamentalist Materialists inform me that I am a liar, a charlatan, fraud and scoundrel. Aside from this minor difference, the letters are astoundingly similar. Both groups share in the same crusading zeal and the same total lack of humor, charity, and common human decency.

These intolerable cults have served to confirm me in my agnosticism by presenting further evidence to support my contention that when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.

Sanest man on the planet?

Or woo-woo?

;)
 
I'm off to the library.

My fave?

"My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended."

That's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ funny.

edit to add: "The notion that "reality" is singular, like a hermetically sealed jar, does not jibe with current scientific findings which, in this century, suggest that "reality" may better be considered as flowing and meandering, like a river, or interacting, like a dance or evolving, like life itself."

I've always thought of science this way myself: It runs and finds its way through passages that may block it, but inevitably it makes its way to the truth.
 
Luckily for hardcore materialists/atheists, they already KNOW the TRUTH, so they will not need to think about comments like Wilson's.

That Certainty must be a wonderful thing to have. :(
 
I love the irony - to believe must be one of those irregular verbs ;)

you have beliefs - I have opinions :p

Sou
 
My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.

Damn, so maybe there really is an invisible flaw in "2 + 2 = 4"???
 
Franko said:


Damn, so maybe there really is an invisible flaw in "2 + 2 = 4"???

Hammegk's Principle: The final 90% of every debate is a question of definitions & semantics. :D
 
I've read a couple of things of his (fiction) that were interesting.

I also have Quantum Philosophy around somewhere. I started reading it and it sounds like a stire of philosophy in general. I may just start up again, it has been a while since I read his stuff.

Walt
 
Walter Wayne said:
I've read a couple of things of his (fiction) that were interesting.

I also have Quantum Philosophy around somewhere. I started reading it and it sounds like a stire of philosophy in general. I may just start up again, it has been a while since I read his stuff.

Walt

It's a satire of existence.
 
So Elephant ... You and Wilson would claim that Nothing is constant across the Eternities?
 
Well then you've contradicted Wilson and yourself.

If some things remain constant (Determined), than how can mysticism be True?
 
Well then you've contradicted Wilson and yourself.

No Franko. I have not.

If some things remain constant (Determined), than how can mysticism be True?

I haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about. I guess it is something to do with your latest theory that all 'A-theists' are 'mystics'.

The trouble with talking to you is that you have redefined the entire dictionary and you aren't very good at explaining what your new meanings are or why you have assigned those meanings. The result of all this is most of what you say is worthless and unintelligable.

Talk in ENGLISH using NORMAL DEFINITIONS OF WORDS. You act like you understand these things, and are trying to be enigmatic. The true situation is you don't understand much of this. You certainly DO NOT understand mysticism. I rather suspect you don't understand Wilson either.

If some things remain constant (Determined), thEn why on Earth should mysticism not be true.....? :(
 
Ohh I'm sorry, I thought the point of your post was that nothing is constant. Everything changes constantly so we can never be sure about anything. We should just all give up. Throw in the towel, and claim that things happen magically, supernaturally and completely beyond the comprehension of "normal" minds.

We should all convert to mysticism.
 
I’m a big fan of his books I like how he weaves little known historical facts in with his FICTION.
Just read his book on cults and conspiracies not long ago, in it he laments about how some people see him as some kind of mystical prophet and not the social satirist that he is.
 
kedo1981 said:
I’m a big fan of his books I like how he weaves little known historical facts in with his FICTION.
Just read his book on cults and conspiracies not long ago, in it he laments about how some people see him as some kind of mystical prophet and not the social satirist that he is.

He is a social satirist. He is also considerably more than that, but his message is multi-layered and lots of people get different things from it. Prophet is too strong. He is a shaker-up of other peoples ways of thinking. You have to find the truth yourself - Wilson just helps to shatter the illusions about what you might currently think is the truth - whatever that happens to be. That's why the materialists and Christians are equally abusive about him.
 
I loved The Illuminatus! Trilogy and Shrodinger's Cat. They did funny things to my brain. :D
 
The notion that "reality" is a noun, a solid thing like a brick or a baseball bat,
But it is. Apparently even Wilson needs my patented Baseball Bat Test (TM).

On the other hand, when asked what I believe in, my usual response is "If it requires belief, I don't."

I agree with almost everything Wilson says - except his conclusions.
 
I read Illuminatis and briefly went insane. That doesn't mean the two events are connected, but I'm not taking any more chances with Wilson's books.
 
The illuminatus trilogy is so paranoid that he had me believing for a little while.... I ended up takign a quick trip to the library to read up on the illuminati and to see if there was anything there. I reassured myself that there was nothgin to it... or is that what the illuminati want me to think... confusignon setting in.... I'm off to phone the phone company and hav emy phoen cut off so they can't get to me.
uhhhh hail eris?
 
I found 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy' to be an entertaining, light read, as was 'Schroedinger's Cat'.

He has another book called 'The New Inquisition', where he makes some interesting points about the mechanisms of consciousness, reality tunnels and true agnosticism, and uses the moniker of 'fundamentalist materialists' for people who are a little too skeptical. To the point where they wrap around and essentially come to reject ideas in an outright irrational manner. Then the book just sort of wanders off into raining frogs and gets a little repetitive and boring.

'The New Inquisition' is probably a book Franko would like to read; there are good trolling material in there, and the repetitiveness of the middle 2/3s of it would be right down his alley. Alas, with the glowing review of some of his good fiction (and the Principia Discordia) from some of us "A-theists" would probably turn him utterly away from this book.
 
An Erisian Hymn

by Rev. Dr. Mungojerry Grindlebone, KOB
Episkopos, THE RAYVILLE APPLE PANTHERS


Onwards Christian Soldiers,
Onwards Buddhist Priests.
Onward, Fruits of Islam,
Fight till you're deceased.
Fight your little battles.
Join in thickest fray;
For the Greater Glory,
of Dis-cord-i-a.
Yah, yah, yah,
Yah, yah, yah, yah.
Blfffffffffffft!
 
Robert Anton Wilson Needs Our Help

Sadly i have to report that wizard-author-intelligence increase agent is in trouble with his life, home and his finances. Robert is gravely ill and dying from post polio syndrome and the IRS has garnished his income. He has enough money for next months rent and then will be homeless and unable to pay his rent. He cannot walk, has a hard time swallowing, is extremely frail and needs full time care which is being provided by several friends-fans-volunteers and family. I appeal to you to help financially for the next few months to let him die at his home in peace. source

Any donations can be made to Bob directly to the Paypal account olgaceline@gmail.com.

You can also send a check payable to Robert Anton Wilson to
Dennis Berry c/o Futique Trust
P.O. Box 3561
Santa Cruz, CA 95063.
 
Talk about dragging a thread out of the graveyard...

CE, are you a reincarnation of Elephant?

Very suspicious, you dragging a VERY old Elephant thread out to post a plea for help...

I call sock.
 
Talk about dragging a thread out of the graveyard...

CE, are you a reincarnation of Elephant?

Very suspicious, you dragging a VERY old Elephant thread out to post a plea for help...

I call sock.

This was originally one of my threads, which has lost its owner when my first account was deleted.

The recent post was NOT by any sock of mine.
 
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To the OP.

I can honestly say that if it weren't for RAW, I wouldn't be in this forum today. I'm not sure if that speaks for good or ill for him. ;)

The passage quoted above ("I don't believe anything") from Cosmic Trigger effected me greatly. Granted, he was rife with woo-ish conclusions, but he did exactly what he set out to do, question. He wasn't a fan of Sagan's (because of what he saw as a "profeesional arrogance" of Carl's), nor of CISCOP (for a similar reason), but he was right in questioning even them.

I just wish I was in a financial position to help him out.
 
I can honestly say that if it weren't for RAW, I wouldn't be in this forum today.
I share this sentiment.

I just wish I was in a financial position to help him out.
Gold would help. To quote from a List of Metaphysical Powers and Attributes of Gemstones:

GOLD - a yellow metallic element whose mathematical formalisms "predict(ing) the coherent emission of S1=S0+G(S0)/S2=S1+G(S1) paradox(s) following disregard of the recursion-theoretic reducibility ordering of deja vu not forfeited under Morthole's Conjecture" were first noted on a xeroxed rant found stapled to a telephone pole in Sheboygan, Wisconsin.
 
This was originally one of my threads, which has lost its owner when my first account was deleted.

Ah, now i understand the dragon's remark. I thought it was some kind of slang.

I just wish I was in a financial position to help him out.

Fortunately he already received a lot of help:

Douglas Rushkoff said:
Thanks to your spontaneous generosity, we raised over $80.000 on behalf of Robert Anton Wilson in less than a week. This means he can be taken care of by family at home or, if need be, in a managed care facility for over six months.

If at the end of six or eight months all of this money has been spent on care - and Bob has chosen to carry on living - we'll see about what other financial solutions might be possible, including another plea to his reading public.

But for the time being, save your pennies and pence, give yourselves and each other a hearty "job well done," and get back to the good work of helping people think smarter and act kinder. source
 
That's good to hear. Last time I chatted with Oberon Zell he'd mentioned that Bob was in a bad way. Then I saw that he'd started up his online school, and thought that it couldn't have been all that bad, then New Falcon put out their plea...then that.

I just hope that he's as comfortable at the end as Tim Leary was.
 
Heh. Hail Eris indeed. I loved The Illuminatus Trilogy and Masks of the Illuminati (and keep meaning fnord to read others of his books). I wouldn't call him a skeptic, I don't think, but he will be missed.
 
Heh. Hail Eris indeed. I loved The Illuminatus Trilogy and Masks of the Illuminati (and keep meaning fnord to read others of his books). I wouldn't call him a skeptic, I don't think, but he will be missed.

Well, he was a skeptic, after a fashion. He was just willing to accept that the supernatural might just exist. Also, he did lead me to skepticism. His writings were influential with me to get me out of a dogmatic mindset.

Bob will be missed. Of course, I do subscribe to Tim Leary's definition of reincarnation. You are the reincarnation of anyone that greatly influenced your mindset, so Bob lives on in me.

Hail Eris!
All Hail Discordia!
Immanentize the Eschaton!
Ewige Blumenkraft!
 
R.A.W is one of my favourite writers/thinkers and his public appearances are always joyful to watch. Some of his books have been on my waiting list for a long time already… now I kind of wish I had purchased them earlier.
 
Well, he was a skeptic, after a fashion. He was just willing to accept that the supernatural might just exist. Also, he did lead me to skepticism. His writings were influential with me to get me out of a dogmatic mindset.

Very true. At the beginning I found difficult to interpret his books, they gave the impression that he was a woo but in fact RAW was a very skeptical person. I thank him for shattering my dogmatic view of reality, it made me reconsider my attitude towards people´s different views. It is sad he died almost in poverty, I don´t think he deserved that after his great contribution.
:(
 
Further to Lessing and Sufi Mysticism

This posting is somewhat tangential to the thrust(what thrust he says?) of this thread, but I wrote it today and Lessing was the inspiration. Some readers at this site may find this posting of interest.-Ron Price, Tasmania.:cool:
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CALMING LIFE'S WHIRLPOOL

I came across Doris Lessing in an interview on “Books and Writing,” an ABC Radio National program, on 16 January 2000, then again on SBS TV on 18 September 2000. On that latter date she referred to my generation as self-indulgent and unself-critical. With the years, Lessing went on to say, this self-indulgent generation of mine had many casualties as former personal certainties that it had held died and systems, empires and parties lost their credibility, their meaning and even their existence.

Lessing also informed her listeners that she thought most writers were mildly depressed. When asked what her most joyous moments were she said they were “at the beginning of each book.” I agree that a certain melancholia, a certain pensiveness, a certain level of emotion recollected in tranquillity, are present during the writing process. In November 2000 I came across a statement by Lessing in an article entitled: “Writing the Self: Selected Works of Doris Lessing,” Deep South, Vol.2, No.2, Winter 1996, p.12. She had just completed, but not yet published, the second volume of her autobiography Walking in the Shade. Of autobiography, she said: "it helps calm life’s whirlpool." In the next several years I found Lessing's words accurate. -Ron Price, Pioneering Over Four Epochs, 4 February 2007.

You were just finishing your story,
your two volumes in '94 and '97
while I was just starting to put my
story down. Of course, you'd done
those semi-autobiographical novels,
indeed, you've been writing since I
was a child and recording my first
memories back in '47 and '48 & '49.

Producing our lives we were, Doris,
by an infinite chain of signifiers and
constructs. Some therapeutic self-
discovery as we were spinning our
yarn, as it were, in the current of life.1

You ended your story in '62, just as
I was beginning mine, my pioneering
over four epochs. Finishing your story
at 43 you were and me--starting mine
at 43 and taking it back to the age of 18.

1 Lynda Scott, "Similarities Between Virginia Woolf and Doris Lessing," Deep South, Vol.3 No.2, Winter 1997.

Ron Price
4 February 2007
 

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