Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history

rlopez2 said:
Once again, he was and still is in charge of MKULTRA. I am amazed you didn't know that!
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So was he like Boss Baby, or did the KGB have a time machine?

I'm amazed that you think you can double down on this and not look even more ignorant and delusional.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I'm amazed that you think you can double down on this and not look even more ignorant and delusional.
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Our Spanish friend with the stray quotes and slashes keys fervently believes what that steaming cross-eyed crackpot and known schizo and drug-abuser L Ron Hubbard has written. Apparently. And that Putin, at the age of one year, from his crib in the USSR, conceived and managed the MK-ULTRA program run by the FBI in Washington. And that he is doubling down on this and much more crack-pottery when challenged on it.

I don't see any point in trying to argue with him about anything at all. He is just wasting my time completely. And his. He would be better off seeing someone who could help him with is mental health so he could become a contributor to the betterment of society. But his disabilities prevent him from doing that. What a sad loss.

*shakes head ruefully*
 
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"alternate facts" gringos, who would even deny now that they won WWII, the cold war, star wars, ... to me that would be like denying Nazism
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gringos don’t have a history as a people that is why they need Hollywood
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For gringos history is: "look at that shopping mall we built there!"
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the brave honesty with which they (German people) own their own history
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I find really strange that it doesn't mean -absolutely anything- to gringos and canucks that they wiped out the people's living in North America. Those "kill the Indian and save the man", "Indians did not have property rights ..." kinds of ideations that were and still are constituent part of the gringo freedom loving mindset are not even taboos they prefer not to mention, they just don't mean anything at all to them. I like very much about Germany that they use their own history as lesson themes to teach morality. I know, I know, … Germany does that because they lost the war, because they are inherently, genetically crazy, because it was a condition of the Marshall plan, ...

I would suggest the following consciousness study: take a representative sampling of gringos and put them into an fMRI scanner, then (after prepping them experimentally) ask them two questions:

1) What do you make of most of the space out there in the Universe being void?

2) What do you know about the people living in North America before the arrival of Europeans?

In some tests in the U.S. kids checked that Fidel Castro was the president of Mexico ;-), but that consciousness study will definitely be more interesting.

Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, Stephen Kinzer have written and talked about such "Yes, we can!" themes, but gringos hear them as a "freedom of thought" kind of thing, not as if they were actually talking about them:

// __ BA on genocide of Native people, broken treaties and "peculiar" development of capitalism in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGyI4Qb_HI
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and here is Donald Trumps' mother's opinion:

// __ Audio: Ayn Rand on Supporting Genocide of Native Americans (with text)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPC7lCSI5Cg
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As with her son I like about those kinds of people that they do us the favor of articulating it explicitly and putting it squarely on our faces. Those kinds of folks to me are always less damaging, pernicious than the Obamas and Killarys.

Of course, part of why gringos collectively see themselves historically the way they do is the kind of freedom loving education they get. Take a history book in Germany and the U.S. and compare them to what their own media was talking about at the time about themselves and the people they were invading. That would be a great corpora-based Anthropology relating to the consciousness study!
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antiquated "treatment" that is no longer used
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Again, if you see something in that documentary you can't understand I could explain it to you. I assure you that all that is said in that documentary is true and even though they showcased Germany, what they say is not much different to what you could find out by yourself about the U.S. In fact, in Germany they stopped short of making "psychology"/"psychiatry" illegal. In NYC all the NYPD needs is the signature of two psych* idiots you will never see in your life to institutionalize you, which I personally was very aware of, "feared", since USG/the FBI/NYPD didn’t like ****** me a bit.

You wonder why are psychologists like a cast in themselves in the U.S.? Why are those kinds of psych* impostors the 7th best paid professionals in the U.S.? Why are they the second most hired profession by USG? Here are the Regents style multiple choice answer options for you:

a) because they provide society with a most needed service
b) because, as part of USG's "social control", they help the government drive people to become controllably crazy consumers with all that propaganda and those false beliefs gringos are abused with
c) because, they prey on the fact that we human beings are the 5th monkey
d) because the powerful farma industry could no exist without them
e) because they team up with lawyers to do USG the favor of controlling, "keeping" the social fauna
f) because people in the U.S. watch too much TV

g) [you may explain your own opinion as an argumentative essay with less than 4 paragraphs]
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a profession that helps hundreds of thousands to this day, myself included
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I don't care that much about visual things, but based on your avatar it seems, they haven't helped you see the functional connection between problems and solutions that well.

Are you sure it is a doctor providing you with "professional help"? It may be the screenwriter of the most hilarious comedy I have ever watched: "a fish called Wanda (1988)", posing as a doctor/therapist.
 
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You seem to believe that I don't "understand" the "documentary". I understand it perfectly. It is garbage propaganda for a fake religion made to bilk people from their money. The CoS are scum and they lie. They lie about psychiatry and they lie about the world. They are delusional liars.
 
I do understand how uncomfortable it must be for US readers to learn that there are people who think the Vietnam war was not a good idea
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As you could see right from their comments they are still proud of Vietnam and, of course, what they are proud of is the genocide they engaged in because they lost that war badly anyway and I'd wish it was only the Vietnam war, it is also about their air raids to defenseless civilian populations in Germany after the war was over, dropping nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing Sandino point blank after calling him in for peace negotiations, doing what they call "regime change", invading countries "because" their government is hiding WMD (something you can't possibly "hide"), or whatever as freedom lovers say "the sky is the limit" ... and what is the common denominators?: -abuse-. All those "doctrines" and all of that they have never put to the test with people who can and will defend themselves on an equal basis.
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I look forward to his explaining to the British people here that we are basically a nation of pirates
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Compared to the U.S. and Germany and Cuba (kind of in that order) I know very little about British history/Britain. I know, which I kind of find interesting, that Britain, contrary to the German tribes who put an end to the bsing pax romana, by never being totally "conquered" and opposing them more or less ongoingly until they went all the way into Rome and actually invaded, "conquered" the invaders. Britain did spouse their invaders for some time until they got ready to kick them off?

I have been in Britain only twice briefly. As my wife and I switched plains while returning to NYC. We had a few hours, so we decided to visit a museum I barely remember, but I do remember it was not like the German ones ;-). As part of being a scientist I know about "your scientists" (like Paul Dirac, Ramanujan ;-) and Maxwell (who with Euclid conceived the most beautiful texts/theories ever written/thought about!)) and I like a few British people a lot, kind of they are part of who I am: Chaplin (amazing his sense of inner honesty!), George Orwell (in a sense like Chaplin), John Lennon and lately, since Yelena Isinbayeva doesn't seem to be interested in me I have developed a crush towards Sarah Harrison. As a mathematician, I have also read and studied Bertrand Russell, but I am not sure if I would consider him to be even a second tier philosopher. For one, I don't think he got German Idealism.
 
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rlopez2 said:
I find really strange that it doesn't mean -absolutely anything- to gringos and canucks that they wiped out the people's living in North America.
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Don't forget the Spaniards. They did some really horrific **** to the indigenous American populations they encountered, too. The British and French were just following their example.

Yet I would never characterize all people of Spanish ancestry as indifferent to those atrocities - painting them all with the same broad brush stereotype - because only a narrow-minded, self-congratulatory bigot would engage in such infantile, masturbatory idiocy.
 
I guess you don't want to explain how Putin masterminded a secret project conducted by his enemies that started when he was an infant and ended when he was in his early twenties.
 
Didn't he claim that Excalibur (ETA: his book of nonsense, not the sword) came to him when he was recovering from life threatening injuries but it turned out he was actually having routine dental surgery?
 
rlopez2 said:
As part of being a scientist I know about "your scientists" (like Paul Dirac, Ramanujan ;-)
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Dirac once said "The aim of science is to make difficult things understandable in a simpler way; the aim of poetry is to state simple things in an incomprehensible way."

He obviously had your posts in mind.
 
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More pointless badly written drivel. Tell us if you can how the peaceful Spanish people were a 'country' of total peace and brotherhood...lol

How do you explain the Caste War against the Maya that lasted 50+ years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_War_of_Yucatán

Also can we lament the endless series of wars and massacres that were the period before, during and after the Reconquista?

We also need to revisit the shameful acts of your ancestor - the Lopez who attacked the Philippines?
 
The Star Wars that apparently the USA lost is, and I stand to be corrected, a series of movies about a fictional time and place. Has our friend concluded they are documentaries??
 
Norman Alexander said:
The Star Wars that apparently the USA lost is, and I stand to be corrected, a series of movies about a fictional time and place. Has our friend concluded they are documentaries??
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He may be alluding to Reagen's 'Star Wars' initiative. I think rLopez2 is mad that NATO wasn't macho enough to conduct a nuclear war against the Soviet union......????

... who would even deny now that they won WWII, the cold war, star wars, ... to me that would be like denying Nazism.
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So in this weird sentence he seems to think people somewhere are denying the Allies won WWII? The Cold war wasn't won and the West didn't lose and the Soviet Union certainly lost, and Star Wars?

No idea what our hater might be referring too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative#Timeline

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He may be alluding to Reagen's 'Star Wars' initiative
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No, I mean the "Star Wars" of Obi-Wan Kenobi, R2-D2, Rey Skywalker, Yoda ... and all those folks' fame.
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I think rLopez2 is mad that NATO wasn't macho enough to conduct a nuclear war against the Soviet union......????
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Well your way of putting it was good enough. So you understand me and hey! you even have options! China comes to mind.

Why is it that you are "yourself", "the brave", "the worldsonlysuperpower", ... and all of that only when it is about safely calculated abuse. Here is another of the demonstrable aspects showing that USG can't even hold a moral, (as you put it) "macho" ground to Nazism. They were not by any means "the worldsonlysuperpower" when they decided not to become "negritos" to European imperial powers, as well. Germany had been actually baldly beaten after WWI, but still had the spine to say no to getting "freedom loved" by them!
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Don't forget the Spaniards. They did some really horrific **** to the indigenous American populations they encountered, too. The British and French were just following their example.
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As I said that thing called Western Civilization is full of freedom lovers, that includes the British, the Spaniards, French, Dutch, Belgians, Italians, ... yet, I demonstrably maintain that U.S. and British freedom loving has been the most pernicious of them all and it has continued to this very day. It is their very raison d'être. The task of gringo institutions such as the NSA and the CIA is just that, "freedom loving" people. Comparing "freedom loving" by Germany (including Nazism!) to them is an odd joke.

To begin with the idea of slavery (in the British and gringo way) has never quite been part of the German mindset. gringos are very racist, "keep your place" people (downright schizophrenically, they see themselves also as "Good Christians") and the British have this silly institution of servitude, "class hierarchies", ... which has never been part of the German Geist. When Europe was already "civilized" Germans still lived tribally without "social institutions", the "law" as an institution in itself. They would solve disputes in an ad-hoc kind of family way: "Albert stole my rooster!" "OK, Albert, now you give Emma the leg she chooses from your cow when you slaughter it" would decide the council of the elderly. The Romans documented their impressions of those smelly druids, who would not take baths sharing their living quarters with their farting cows and donkeys living in "Silva Nigra" (the black forest) off the ends of their mighty empire. They were also shocked at seeing German women fight them like men as Germans were shocked about "laws" imposed by the Romans charging them with the "death penalty".

The French were freedom lovers (still are somewhat), but they also have a spine as a people and at some point rebelled big time against their crappy royalty. In the case of Spain when they went through their gringo phase, they started by realizing that they could use language as a social tool. People used to speak as they breathed, the idea of using it for social control was totally new, like the idea of instituting a social security number in the U.S. which people initially found repulsive, but politicians assured we the people that it was not going to be used as a social control tool ;-). Spain did not only do really horrific **** to the indigenous American peoples (you mean all out genocide), they started by running people with Muslim and Jewish ancestry out of their country and when they realized that genocide was not exactly a smart idea, the "great idea" of stealing people out of Africa occurred to them. What did they gain from it? Nothing! Absolutely zero coma nada! The beneficiaries of the exploitation of the Indias were actually the Chinese and the Ottoman Empire. A question that I have never seen answered is how, why is it that some imperial powers are able to somewhat make a profit (even if not in the long run and at great cost to those exploited) from their bsing protagonistic imperial ethos?
 
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Amusing. Spain made no profit from it's colonies.
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If you didn't have a job you would notice I very obviously meant in the long run. Look at Spain today!
 
I propose that somebody versed in psychopathology start a thread in Science about schizophrenia and its symptoms. These seem to manifest in writing at least as distinctly as in speech, and perhaps can be examined as they appear on line.
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Pleeze!!!
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The task of gringo institutions such as the NSA and the CIA is just that, "freedom loving" people.
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Contrary to British and gringo freedom loving, Germany does have infraguards kinds of "patriots", which they manage officially through an office with a name which couldn’t be more Obamaesque:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Office_for_the_Protection_of_the_Constitution

but not a CIA.
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The French were freedom lovers (still are somewhat), but they also have a spine as a people and at some point rebelled big time against their crappy royalty.
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Could you imagine a Bastille day in the U.S. against the NSA as East German people did against the stasi? Well, I know the gringo styled answer to that questions. That shows how well "kept" gringos are. Something that I have never understood either is that gringos don't seem to like their political system that much to begin with, but it doesn't occur to them that they could take the matter into their own hands and start new political parties, which is not illegal in the U.S. Why don't they do that? You notice very rarely new outlying developments like AOC, but they end up playing the status quo's game.
 
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rlopez2 said:
If you didn't have a job you would notice I very obviously meant in the long run. Look at Spain today!
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So Spain's abuse and exploitation of the peoples they encountered in the Americas was forgivable because they weren't able to turn enough of a profit to stay a world military and economic power into the present age.

[Lionel Hutz]Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, sure, my client did run an extortion ring that took hundreds of thousands of dollars from numerous victims through threats of violence and destruction of property. I'm not disputing that. But my client lost the vast majority of that money to bad investments and a crippling gambling addiction, so he clearly wasn't a very successful criminal, and therefore you must vote to acquit. The defense rests.[/LionelHutz]
 
rlopez2 said:
gringos are very racist...
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You don't get sarcasm or irony.

And aren't you going to explain how Vladimir Putin ran MKUltra? Did he clear himself of engrams and attain the ability to time-travel?
 
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Amusing. Spain made no profit from it's colonies.
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They got enough from the colonies to form the Spanish empire and be THE European power for a few centuries, oppressing the Dutch and Italians - even the Portuguese for awhile - unfortunately all the money flowing in cause inflation, they failed to invest in the country instead used the money for armies and fleets leading to a bankrupt country.

For awhile they had the greatest empire on earth, but grossly mismanaged it.
 
the Allies won WWII?
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ha! That Alliance! Now, was that the alliance of the willing or of the unwilling?

Another chapter of the greatness complex of gringo protagonism. During the war the freedom loving members of that "Alliance" (the U.S. and British governments) were avoiding to participate and then they discovered to their amazement that those Russian „Untermeschen“ had actually offered a formidable resistance to Nazism, both their Blitzkrieg and themselves; so they "tactically" decided to let them both exhaust one another. The whole world as well as the military high command in Britain at that time started to notice strange things, like an unexplainable silence by nazis and "could not understand" the news that Russia was formidably resisting, fighting, had stopped the pesky Nazi offensive. They thought the invasion of Russia was going to take weeks and then they knew Nazis would come for them, so they were getting ready. They themselves related that they were floored, rejoicing when they confirmed the "unbelievable" news.

Until D-day not only the Russian high command (Stalin seemed to be furious about Churchill's bsing pomposity, avoidance), quite literally, the whole of Europe, who thought it unavoidable that Nazis were going to invade, occupy and rule Europe, including Britain, tuned their radio at night hoping to hear that French melody that was going to signal D-day.

I know these kinds of "alternate facts" are no the ones preferably used in freedom loving propaganda. Oh, no! of course gringos don't propagandize their people! They "inform", "educate" them "responsibly".

All I have said, has been historically documented and there are still people alive today who can bare witness to all of it. There is even a documentary series called "the forgotten war" even though the carniage of the epic confrontation of Nazis and Russians had never been seen before in the history of humankind. I have had the pleasure to talk to many of those people, including Nazi sympathizers, appologizers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II (started September 1939)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa (June 1941)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad (August 1942 – February 1943)
that was the turning point of the war. Contrary to how freedom lovers have had it. Nazis weren't/couldn't be killing people for the fun of it, because matters of economy were crucial to them. They entirely depended on their „Blitzkriege“.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference (December 1943)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings (June 1944)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender (May 1945)

68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
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So, the freedom loving members of that Alliance participated only in less than the last one sixth of the war (11/68) and it gets more interesting, after the war was over, freedom lovers became all "strategic", "brave" and started killing people for the fun of it, which is what they have always done best. France and Russia never did such things even though they had plenty of more "reasons" to do so. In fact, even the Nazi POW who were taken into custody by the Russians were able to live in average longer than minorities in the U.S. and probably not that different from the average in the U.S. that shows how badly they were treated, how inhumane those Russian „Untermeschen“ were. The Russian high command even made Russian soldiers share their food rations with their enemies as they were taken to Siberia! Yeah, I know Alexander Solschenizyn had a different story to tell about how Russian troops were raping "the enemy". Yet, most people would have prefered to get laid than killed, no? Unfortunately, we can't ask the people nuked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki if they would have prefered to have been laid.
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FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover turned Chaplin into his personal pet targeted and ran him out of the U.S., just for asking and keep asking when were freedom lovers going to take part in the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
COINTELPRO was first used to disrupt the Communist Party USA, where Hoover ordered observation and pursuit of targets that ranged from suspected citizen spies to larger celebrity figures, such as Charlie Chaplin, whom he saw as spreading Communist Party propaganda.[57]

even though they knew Chaplin was doing all he possibly could against Nazism from making movies mocking Hitler to enlisting himself and his two sons, encouraging people and raising money for the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin

1939–1952: Controversies and fading popularity
The Great Dictator spent a year in production and was released in October 1940.[231] The film generated a vast amount of publicity, with a critic for The New York Times calling it "the most eagerly awaited picture of the year", and it was one of the biggest money-makers of the era.[232] The ending was unpopular, however, and generated controversy.[233] Chaplin concluded the film with a five-minute speech in which he abandoned his barber character, looked directly into the camera, and pleaded against war and fascism.[234]

Monsieur Verdoux and communist accusations
Chaplin again vocalised his political views in Monsieur Verdoux, criticising capitalism and arguing that the world encourages mass killing through wars and weapons of mass destruction.[262] Because of this, the film met with controversy when it was released in April 1947;[263] Chaplin was booed at the premiere, and there were calls for a boycott.[264]

Mutual
Chaplin was attacked in the British media for not fighting in the First World War.[109] He defended himself, claiming that he would fight for Britain if called and had registered for the American draft, but he was not summoned by either country.[q] Despite this criticism Chaplin was a favourite with the troops,[111] and his popularity continued to grow worldwide.
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The Cold war wasn't won and the West didn't lose and the Soviet Union certainly lost, and Star Wars?
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Why gringos are denying now that they won the cold war and Star Wars as well as their denial of knowing well that Vladimir Putin was and still is the boss of MK-ULTRA is beyond comprehension to me. Could it possibly be the memory loss brought about by the aging or ther gringo lying Götterdämmerung?
 
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Gengis Khan conquered most of what was then the known world and decimated its population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
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Yeah, right there you see another example of what I mean. Their hordes were not "freedom lovingly" selective. They had the balls to fight indiscriminately, go out and confront whomever stood in their way. They occupied China to have their rear end kicked off in due time.

Thinking that abuse is OK, even "Godly" is one of the aspects I don’t understand about the "good Christian" gringos.
 
A quote from MacBeth seems appropriate this thread:


"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
 
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rlopez2 said:
Why gringos are denying now that they won the cold war and Star Wars as well as their denial of knowing well that Vladimir Putin was and still is the boss of MK-ULTRA is beyond comprehension to me.
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So it's beyond the limits of your comprehension to understand that MKUltra began the year after Putin was born, and ended when he was in his early twenties, before he was even a raw recruit in the KGB?

Or (and this is the more parsimonious explanation, in my opinion) did you riff off another ill conceived lie in the spur of the moment, and your only internally permissible response to being called on it is to feign histrionic incomprehension in the hope that no one will notice your failure to explain how what you say is even temporally possible?
 
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A quote from MacBeth seems appropriate this thread:


"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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He doesn't seem to have the slightest clue that he's just flailing away at straw - pretending that everyone he's addressing thinks as he wants them to think. He doesn't even grasp the ridiculous hypocrisy of saying "gringos are very racist", or of saying that after making irrelevant references to Barack Obama's skin pigmentation.
 
rlopez2 said:
68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
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When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.

The first US fighter squadrons going into action in WW2 were in the UK in September 1940, nearly 4 years (45 months) before the Normandy invasion. Google "Eagle Squadrons".

The USA officially joined WW2 as a country on 8 December 1941, the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, by declaring war on Japan. Hitler then declared war on the USA within days. This was 30 months before D-Day. US forces were active in the Pacific theatre from that day to the end of the war on 2 September 1945 when Japan surrendered. ...you entirely forgot the Pacific theatre of war, didn't you! ;)

US Army air Forces flew missions over Europe from 1942 onward, from the UK.

US forces were involved in the North Africa theatre, and the invasions of Sicily and Italy. All before D-Day.

And that's just a tiny potted history of the US involvement in WW2 that shows you are categorically and monumentally wrong. There are many whole libraries available you can research for actual details. Some of these are even in Spain! So you might even want to visit them.

Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine. I'm not sure why I am even bothering. You are entirely obsessed with your own imaginary brilliance, so you won't understand, and you won't correct yourself.
 
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When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.
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I'd missed this gem in his wall-o-text. His expertise in history seems about on par with his mastery of biology and mathematics. Thinking that U.S. involvement in WWII, even just in Europe, was limited to the period between D-Day and VE-Day is like thinking that Apollo 11 was the first and last manned lunar landing.
 
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I'd missed this gem in his wall-o-text. His expertise in history seems about on par with his mastery of biology and mathematics. Thinking that U.S. involvement in WWII, even just in Europe, was limited to the period between D-Day and VE-Day is like thinking that Apollo 11 was the first and last manned lunar landing one and only US space mission.
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More like, alas.
 
Pulitzer Prize Glenn Greenwald
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If you like internet drama, you might like this story about how Glenn Greenwald praised himself via sock-puppets on right-wing blogs.

ETA - You might say that Glenn had "a functional Doppelgänger" of himself as he and his sock puppets went about their daily life ...
 
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... and ended when he was in his early twenties
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ended? how do you know? because the ever truthful USG says so? or, because your dad put a serious face when he said it to you? or, are you using the kinds of powers that let you know how/where COVID-19 originated?

Do you remember during the Snowden revelations that most members of congress and the senate in the U.S. admitted to not even know what "NSA" stood for? let alone what they were doing?

MK-ULTRA still exists today and Vladimir Putin, its mastermind, is still the boss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
The CIA insists that MKUltra-type experiments have been abandoned.

Notice the wording of that sentence and by the way they changed that sentence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Project_MKUltra/Archive_1

Whistleblower Carl Clark
I don't have time to work out how to do an edit but I think the "Aftermath" section needs something on the Carl Clark interview by Armin Gross that recently was translated into English. It gives a clear indication that the methods developed in the MKUltra Project continue to be used today by Secret Services. see: Carl Clark Interview
I would suggest something like:
"In 2010 another intelligence community whistleblower Carl Clark claimed that he used techniques akin to those developed by the MKUltra Project on many targets and he claims to have become a target himself after talking about his work."

Read the whole back and forth.
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https://www.stopeg.com/doc/CarlClarkInterview.pdf
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You should also check out the very FBI manuals and "secret rules" which are current:

// __ Secret Docs Reveal: President Trump Has Inherited an FBI With Vast Hidden Powers

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-with-vast-hidden-powers/?comments=1#comments
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// __ The FBI’s Secret Rules

https://theintercept.com/series/the-fbis-secret-rules/
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// __ "Ex-CIA Carl Clark admits to surveilling and stalking innocent persons"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-iVbcxuIWw
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68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
11 months from June 1944 to May 1945
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When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.

The first US fighter squadrons going into action in WW2 were in the UK in September 1940, nearly 4 years (45 months) before the Normandy invasion. Google "Eagle Squadrons".

The USA officially joined WW2 as a country on 8 December 1941, the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, by declaring war on Japan. Hitler then declared war on the USA within days. This was 30 months before D-Day. US forces were active in the Pacific theatre from that day to the end of the war on 2 September 1945 when Japan surrendered. ...you entirely forgot the Pacific theatre of war, didn't you!

US Army air Forces flew missions over Europe from 1942 onward, from the UK.

US forces were involved in the North Africa theatre, and the invasions of Sicily and Italy. All before D-Day.

And that's just a tiny potted history of the US involvement in WW2 that shows you are categorically and monumentally wrong. There are many whole libraries available you can research for actual details. Some of these are even in Spain! So you might even want to visit them.

Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine. I'm not sure why I am even bothering. You are entirely obsessed with your own imaginary brilliance, so you won't understand, and you won't correct yourself.

... and ended when he was in his early twenties
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Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine?

Gringos don't stop to amaze me! Do you consider flying a kite from England which Nazis could have seen in Normandy involvement in WW2?

Here for you: life, from the very horse's mouth. Here is USG's "involvement" in WW2:

// __ FDR and Policing the World: Hitler's Threat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDxjVCu56E
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rlopez2 said:
The French were freedom lovers (still are somewhat), but they also have a spine as a people and at some point rebelled big time against their crappy royalty.
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Did you know that more than 140 years before the French chopped King Louis's head off, the English chopped King Charles's head off?

How does that fit into your excitable narrative?
 
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