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Resistance Twitter 2.0

Where will the resistance end up posting, mostly?

  • Bluesky

    Votes: 16 72.7%

  • Threads

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Mastodon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (please specify in comments)

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • On Planet X, we resist telepathically

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
Rolfe said:
I didn't know any of that, and not being on BlueSky I had no idea what The Babylon Bee had actually posted there. I was just amused by the string of censored posts from an account I thought was quite unlikely to be posting pornography or violent death threats.
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I'm not on Bluesky either. I looked it up on X and saw that it was the post about Rachel Levine being named Babylon Bee's first "Man of the Year".

The true inflation of bluesky right now seems to be that navigating is restricted unless you sign up for an account.
I suspect much of the surge (other than the left leaning Twitter defectors) are just anti-woke, maga trolls, or the instigator engagement bots, going to get their schadenfreude/disruption fix... or just see what is there. (Technically a person can search... but all of my searches about the bee or the trans issue about the jok came back with "0 Results". I could only see curared trending posts..
Maybe they are just overwhelmed.
 
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I Am The Scum said:
I'm not gonna argue about your preferences. If you don't think Bluesky is right for you, then that's fine.

The only issue I have is that people are taking their subjective preferences of moderation and trying to make them into something bigger: An objective fact of censorship. That's just not the case. I'm sure there's someone out there who would look at the swear filter of this forum as censorship. To each their own.
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Ok, but this thread is about a new "Resistance Twitter 2.0". Maybe "The Resistance" is a little wussier than I would have thought, but I don't picture them as having to remove BB's posts from their sight. I like my Resistance a tad more thick skinned.
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The entirety of BB's feed is not hidden. It's just the "offensive" posts. As best I can tell, it was hidden because of user reports.
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And again, how bad was the Bee in tbese posts, really? Vile, or just a bit needling? A website should be able to evaluate objectively how much a post is in need of moderation. Not all reports need to be acted upon.
 
Thermal said:
Ok, but this thread is about a new "Resistance Twitter 2.0". Maybe "The Resistance" is a little wussier than I would have thought, but I don't picture them as having to remove BB's posts from their sight. I like my Resistance a tad more thick skinned.

And again, how bad was the Bee in tbese posts, really? Vile, or just a bit needling? A website should be able to evaluate objectively how much a post is in need of moderation. Not all reports need to be acted upon.
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Seems to me that there were a bunch of people who really really liked it when posts such as that one were getting accounts banned from Twitter. I myself had to delete a post that said only women get pregnant. I'm a nobody, so I just did it. But that was the level of the censorship that was going on. If you didn't subscribe to the trans cult, if you wanted to argue on the side of biological reality, you risked a ban. For some time now, people have been able to present the biological reality side of the argument with little fear of being banned. The trans cultists don't like that.

That's what "Resistance Twitter" is all about. Going to a platform where you once again can get people banned for articulating the side of the argument you don't subscribe to. Not my idea of fun.
 
Rolfe said:
Seems to me that there were a bunch of people who really really liked it when posts such as that one were getting accounts banned from Twitter. I myself had to delete a post that said only women get pregnant. I'm a nobody, so I just did it. But that was the level of the censorship that was going on. If you didn't subscribe to the trans cult, if you wanted to argue on the side of biological reality, you risked a ban. For some time now, people have been able to present the biological reality side of the argument with little fear of being banned. The trans cultists don't like that.

That's what "Resistance Twitter" is all about. Going to a platform where you once again can get people banned for articulating the side of the argument you don't subscribe to. Not my idea of fun.
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That's what I'm driving at: "we can have a debate if you are either on our side, or might as well be" seems a bit oafish.
 
Twitter has been around a lot longer than the gender debate has been mainstream. I myself joined in 2013, and didn't realise what the hell was going on with the trans issue until 2017. So when that debate took off there were a lot of people already on Twitter, and using it every day, who were on the "wrong" side of the debate according to the trans-cult members who were employed as Twitter moderators. People didn't like being suspended and banned and shadowbanned and muted and having the reach of their accounts limited for saying perfectly reasonable things like "human beings can't change sex". So there was pushback.

It seems that BlueSky has nailed its colours to the mast from the start. It is to be a place where only the trans-cult is allowed a voice. Given that, the only people who will join are those who desire a one-sided echo-chamber, and those being deliberately mischievous. We'll see how that pans out.
 
Rolfe said:
Twitter has been around a lot longer than the gender debate has been mainstream. I myself joined in 2013, and didn't realise what the hell was going on with the trans issue until 2017. So when that debate took off there were a lot of people already on Twitter, and using it every day, who were on the "wrong" side of the debate according to the trans-cult members who were employed as Twitter moderators. People didn't like being suspended and banned and shadowbanned and muted and having the reach of their accounts limited for saying perfectly reasonable things like "human beings can't change sex". So there was pushback.

It seems that BlueSky has nailed its colours to the mast from the start. It is to be a place where only the trans-cult is allowed a voice. Given that, the only people who will join are those who desire a one-sided echo-chamber, and those being deliberately mischievous. We'll see how that pans out.
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Isn't "Resistance Twitter" about political resistance, though? While you can pretty much guarantee that you won't find many trans-advocates on Team Trump, they are not really focused on the larger culture war?
 
Possibly. That election was a devil-and-the-deep-blue-sea one though, if ever I saw one.

The fact remains, creating an echo-chamber bubble where your political opponents are throttled if they try to make their case is not going to help you at all.
 
The term cesspool has become oversued descriging internet sites and sine social network apps. but Twitter fully quaifies.The amont of bigotry on it is just incredble. Any thing to do with the Mideast brings froth a wave of out and out Anti Semitismm for example.No room for debate 'The Jews are evil and the cause of most of our problems" stuff.
which os one reason why advertisers have fled Twitter.
 
dudalb said:
The term cesspool has become oversued descriging internet sites and sine social network apps. but Twitter fully quaifies.The amont of bigotry on it is just incredble. Any thing to do with the Mideast brings froth a wave of out and out Anti Semitismm for example.No room for debate 'The Jews are evil and the cause of most of our problems" stuff.
which os one reason why advertisers have fled Twitter.
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I haven't taken any side in the Middle East debate, and one of the things that slightly surprised (and generally pleased) me about Twitter was finding that there were people I followed who were pretty vocally committed on both sides. It's allowed me to see the matter from both perspectives while staying out of becoming personally involved in the debate.

I suppose it must depend on who you follow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859355809542484329
 
Thermal said:
I think I have?

It's not a "problem", per se. It's just something I, personally, would find unworthwhile.

It's set up to be an echo chamber, with apparently an extremely low threshold for wrongthink, with the technical "out" that you can take extra steps to read the wrongthink postings, presumably repeatedly, for every post. Ok, fine. Great! Yay Bluesky! Just not a place I'd want to hide away from being challenged.

Like, I kind of like this place. No one scrubs theprestige's posts because he conflicts with orthodoxy. I can just read them without extra steps, and if I find him to be like logger, never saying anything of value, just put him.on ye Olde iggy list. Bluesky builds in an iggy list. Good to know.
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I think your points are fair but also speak to the free market nature of this. Bluesky doesn't appeal to you so you'll choose not to use their service. You have many other options to choose from, if you so desire. The free market works!

I do think you're being a little unfair about what Bluesky is actually doing. Do you honestly think Bluesky wants to punish "wrongthink" and hide its users away from being challenged? Do you really think that its user base is a monoculture with no diverging opinions or viewpoints? Or can you allow for the possibility that some people just want a social media space to intermingle that doesn't have an open-door policy for obnoxious trolls?
 
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johnny karate said:
I think your points are fair but also speaks to the free market nature of this. Bluesky doesn't appeal to you so you'll choose not to use their service. You have many other options to choose from, if you so desire. The free market works!

I do think you're being a little unfair about what Bluesky is actually doing. Do you honestly think Bluesky wants to punish "wrongthink" and hide its users away from being challenged? Do you really think that its user base is a monoculture with no diverging opinions or viewpoints? Or can you allow for the possibility that some people just want a social media space to intermingle that doesn't have an open-door policy for obnoxious trolls?
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Absolutely, 1000% agree. Hell, I'd often give a valued appendage to be able to go places without hearing the Trumpanzees chattering sometimes. Absolutely, unequivocally a good and fair platform.

But this thread is about where the Resistance (whatever the ◊◊◊◊ that is) will be posting. A Resistance is not squeamish and welcomes its opposite number to throw down with. They want to bitch slap their opposites around. More "come at me bro" and less "nice words only in the Safe Space". A Resistance never hides or shies away.

Eta: correction: they sometimes will hide, but that's because their actions might get them arrested by real live cops. Not really a problem when tweeting.

Eta le deux: to your latter point, I can't really tell yet. It's new and I have limited privileges there, not having signed up. But 86ing the posts of the docile little Babylon Bee seems wildly over the top. Maybe the Bee is more caustic than I'm aware of (entirely possible) but they don't seem label-worthy, like actual hate speech.
 
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johnny karate said:
Do you honestly think Bluesky wants to punish "wrongthink" and hide its users away from being challenged? Do you really think that its user base is a monoculture with no diverging opinions or viewpoints? Or can you allow for the possibility that some people just want a social media space to intermingle that doesn't have an open-door policy for obnoxious trolls?
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When it has been decided that posts such as "there are only two sexes" are deemed to be obnoxious trolling, I think we can work it out. Getting back to the politics side, is it at all possible for someone with Republican leanings to post their point of view in a non-obnoxious way, and not be censored? Because if it isn't, then I do honestly think, etc. etc.
 
Thermal said:
Absolutely, 1000% agree. Hell, I'd often give a valued appendage to be able to go places without hearing the Trumpanzees chattering sometimes. Absolutely, unequivocally a good and fair platform.

But this thread is about where the Resistance (whatever the ◊◊◊◊ that is) will be posting. A Resistance is not squeamish and welcomes its opposite number to throw down with. They want to bitch slap their opposites around. More "come at me bro" and less "nice words only in the Safe Space". A Resistance never hides or shies away.
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Well, the OP applied the moniker. I'm not sure that the people leaving Twitter for Bluesky have self-identified as "The Resistance".

And if they did, I'm not sure why being part of a "Resistance" means you have to share a social media space with those who represent what you are resisting. It's not like the French Resistance were congregating and socializing with the Nazis.
 
Rolfe said:
When it has been decided that posts such as "there are only two sexes" are deemed to be obnoxious trolling, I think we can work it out. Getting back to the politics side, is it at all possible for someone with Republican leanings to post their point of view in a non-obnoxious way, and not be censored? Because if it isn't, then I do honestly think, etc. etc.
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You literally talked about how you curate your social media experience to your desires but apparently anyone else who does that is engaged in censorship. Weird.
 
I, personally. When I choose who to follow, that doesn't prevent you from following whoever you like. I can mute or block accounts, but that has no effect on anyone else. What BlueSky seems to be doing is putting blocks on accounts that don't fit its purity standards so that nobody can see the content, or at best they have to jump through hoops to see it. I also see people being permanently banned from BlueSky that I would not have expected to post anything genuinely bannable (like porn or graphic violence).

It's likely that people have blocked and muted me, too. Inevitably. But that only prevents them from seeing me, themselves. It doesn't blot me out to the general mass of people there whether they like it or not. It's beyind weird that you can't see the difference.
 
johnny karate said:
Well, the OP applied the moniker. I'm not sure that the people leaving Twitter for Bluesky have self-identified as "The Resistance".
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Well, yeah, but that's kind of the thread topic.
johnny karate said:
And if they did, I'm not sure why being part of a "Resistance" means you have to share a social media space with those who represent what you are resisting. It's not like the French Resistance were congregating and socializing with the NNazis.
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Agreed, yeah, but that makes Bluesky the escape. Totally, totally get that. The Resistance is more into the clash, kind of by definition.
 
Rolfe said:
I, personally. When I choose who to follow, that doesn't prevent you from following whoever you like. I can mute or block accounts, but that has no effect on anyone else. What BlueSky seems to be doing is putting blocks on accounts that don't fit its purity standards so that nobody can see the content, or at best they have to jump through hoops to see it. I also see people being permanently banned from BlueSky that I would not have expected to post anything genuinely bannable (like porn or graphic violence).

It's likely that people have blocked and muted me, too. Inevitably. But that only prevents them from seeing me, themselves. It doesn't blot me out to the general mass of people there whether they like it or not. It's beyind weird that you can't see the difference.
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It's been made pretty clear that the Babylon Bee account wasn't blocked and is still accessible, so you're not actually addressing the reality of the situation.

Regardless, the premise remains the same whether you are personally doing the curating or choose to patronize a platform that will do some of the curating for you: We all choose how and what we want to experience in these online spaces and choosing a space that is unfriendly to right wing trolls is no more censorious than choosing a space that doesn't allow swearing.
 
Thermal said:
Well, yeah, but that's kind of the thread topic.

Agreed, yeah, but that makes Bluesky the escape. Totally, totally get that. The Resistance is more into the clash, kind of by definition.
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Fair enough. Different strokes, I guess.
 
If you don't like it, don't join.

Or, join Bluesky and stay on Twitter as well. Or, find somewhere else more to your liking.
 
Andy_Ross said:
If you don't like it, don't join.

Or, join Bluesky and stay on Twitter as well. Or, find somewhere else more to your liking.
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Is this somehow speaking to where The Resistance will post? Are you saying they are going to post... you know, somewhere to their liking? Cause I gotta say, I don't see why you'd post that.
 
Rolfe said:
If you think the position that there are only two sexes labels someone a "right wing troll" then you're pretty divorced from reality.
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I think the anti-vaxxerism, election denial conspiracy theories, and Nazi propaganda contribute, too
 
Thermal said:
I wonder if the actual, logical place for "The Resistance" would still be Twixer? That's where the stuff they want to resist will still be. Or maybe the dog pile would inevitably drown them out?
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I have strong suspicion the people currently enjoying their experience on Bluesky free from the “Debate me bro” meathead culture don’t really give a ◊◊◊◊.
 
Interesting debate here and it occurs to me that the 2 sides look at the purpose of social media in fundamentally different ways.

From one side I hear the word debate used constantly. If you view and use social media as a marketplace of ideas, a means to debate, hear opposing viewpoints and such, then naturally you would want a place like twitter that now has little moderation. You will be willing to endure some vile postings by despicable people if it means that all viewpoints are allowed, even your own.

For many others like myself, this is not why they use a microblogging site. Many people couldn't care less about participating in a great marketplace of ideas and just want to see animal videos or police updates or memes etc etc etc. People like that are sick and tired of having toxic politics shoved in their faces by algorithms that drive engagement by enraging people.

I use it to glean breaking information so I can use it to my benefit. I couldn't care less about debating politics with people there. I don't care to have toxic viewpoints and pornography presented to me daily. If that means the site I use is a little heavy on moderation like what bluesky has done with the babylon bee, so be it. I'll trade that for supporting a man who has platformed nazis 7 days a week.
 
I think you must have been doing Twitter wrong all these years. I don't have anything at all shoved at my by algorithms.
 
The trans lobby is practically running BlueSky as far as I can see. They tend to run away from places that don't ban or censor statements pointing out biological reality.
 
Rolfe said:
I think you must have been doing Twitter wrong all these years. I don't have anything at all shoved at my by algorithms.
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You see all trans all the time and a bit of EV hate, you've said you yourself. I would consider those things being shoved at you. And you get this at Bluesky, like we keep saying, you reap what you sow.

Rolfe said:
The trans lobby is practically running BlueSky as far as I can see. They tend to run away from places that don't ban or censor statements pointing out biological reality.
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You see what you want to see on BlueSky AND Twitter, that's how they both work.
 
Orphia Nay said:
It's been my impression that the Resistance's goal is fighting Trump first and foremost, not playing whack-a-mole with trolls.
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Good luck with that. Seriously. Not sure how BlueSky fits into that ambition though.

Orphia Nay said:
You see all trans all the time and a bit of EV hate, you've said you yourself. I would consider those things being shoved at you. And you get this at Bluesky, like we keep saying, you reap what you sow.

You see what you want to see on BlueSky AND Twitter, that's how they both work.
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I see what I want to see. I've acquired quite a lot of gender critical accounts in my following list, to add to the heap of Scottish independence supporters I started with. Some of them overlap. I've added a few pro-EV accounts recently, and find they're good at finding cat toys to bat. And then there are the animal rescue charities and the arts organisations and all sorts.

The point is, I can't prevent other people from seeing things I don't like.
 
Rolfe said:
Good luck with that. Seriously. Not sure how BlueSky fits into that ambition though.
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Thanks. A safe space to plot and scheme and discuss? Not sure, I'm not on there.

Rolfe said:
The point is, I can't prevent other people from seeing things I don't like.
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You're not a moderator. That's what moderators do. And it's been shown the BB wan't banned.
 
Rolfe said:
The trans lobby is practically running BlueSky as far as I can see. They tend to run away from places that don't ban or censor statements pointing out biological reality.
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You seem like you'd be fun at parties.
 
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