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Project 2025

So you have totally lost faith in the American People. I think the graphics of the roundups will be horrible, and change many people'sminds.
Yop know, suspect your real anger with the American people is they are not as far to the left as ypu would like..and that goes a long way before Trump.

It seems to me that you are presuming the continued existence of a Free Press. Putin-style censorship/control of all media is high on the agenda- do you think that they will permit these images to leak? And if they do, the claim of Fake News has worked like a charm so far.
 
If you want to know that the (mostly self-identified) resisters are getting up to on Bluesky, there is a starter pack.

It seems to me that you are presuming the continued existence of a Free Press. Putin-style censorship/control of all media is high on the agenda- do you think that they will permit these images to leak? And if they do, the claim of Fake News has worked like a charm so far.
The USA is not Russia. Russia never had a real free press. \
In an age where everybody has a cell phone capable of taking photos, how can the images not leak.
And, frankly, even some in the GOP will balk at throwing Free Speech out the window.
I repeat, the US is not Russia.
 
The USA is not Russia. Russia never had a real free press. \
In an age where everybody has a cell phone capable of taking photos, how can the images not leak.
And, frankly, even some in the GOP will balk at throwing Free Speech out the window.
I repeat, the US is not Russia.
Everyone in Russia and China is having cell phones too.
 
The USA is not Russia. Russia never had a real free press. \
In an age where everybody has a cell phone capable of taking photos, how can the images not leak.
And, frankly, even some in the GOP will balk at throwing Free Speech out the window.
I repeat, the US is not Russia.
not yet. the kleoptocrats haven't taken office yet. that's in january.
 
Then why did the USA vote a Russian asset as president? And a Russian mouthpiece as a senior cabinet member?

So if not Russia, would you say the USA is closer to being Belarus? That is, a Russian haemorrhoid?
 
Trans gender care in Texas going to Supreme Court.
Next summer: There is no problem here for Alito. "The inescapable conclusion is that trans-gender care is not deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions."

Poject 25 lords check off box on to do list.
 
It seems to me that you are presuming the continued existence of a Free Press. Putin-style censorship/control of all media is high on the agenda- do you think that they will permit these images to leak? And if they do, the claim of Fake News has worked like a charm so far.
Lest we forget, Dump's fascism has already reached the level of ripping asylum seekers' kids from their parents and putting them in cages, and still he won re-election. Same with Dubya after they started literally torturing people. Rounding up lots of brown people who will all be branded as 'illegals'? It'll cause outrage, but I doubt it'll register more than the other horrible stuff he's done so far.

Remember, Dump's fascist regime will start off at the level of concentration camps, armed police brutalizing and kidnapping peaceful protesters, and a bloody coup.
Edit: A year from now we'll probably have one side going "I can't believe Trump Youth just ran amok for a whole night smashing the windows of immigrant mom and pop shops!", and the other side going "Where were you when black people burned down cities in 2020, huh?!"
 
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Lest we forget, Dump's fascism has already reached the level of ripping asylum seekers' kids from their parents and putting them in cages, and still he won re-election. Same with Dubya after they started literally torturing people. Rounding up lots of brown people who will all be branded as 'illegals'? It'll cause outrage, but I doubt it'll register more than the other horrible stuff he's done so far.
It's important to note that a considerable percentage of almost any population supports these sorts of measures. Not so much on this message board, but poll any sizable random group and you're likely to find a lot of people aren't against arbitrary detention, torture, and even summary execution of members of unpopular groups.

On recent example is the killing of Brian Thompson (CEO of United Healthcare) [Wikipedia], which was largely met with a rather muted response.
 
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It's important to note that a considerable percentage of almost any population supports these sorts of measures. Not so much on this message board, but poll any sizable random group and you're likely to find a lot of people aren't against arbitrary detention, torture, and even summary execution of members of unpopular groups.

On recent example is the killing of Brian Thompson (CEO of United Healthcare) [Wikipedia], which was largely met with a rather muted response.
Doubt that. Maybe the US population. Of course, it's always "someone else" who is the problem. But when the leopards come to eat their faces, they get a rude awakening.
 
Doubt that. Maybe the US population. Of course, it's always "someone else" who is the problem. But when the leopards come to eat their faces, they get a rude awakening.
I disagree. Look at the rise of right-wing populist parties in Europe.

What we really need is the poll I suggested. Unfortunately I can't afford to pay for one. There may be, however, some sociological studies on this topic. If I find time and maintain my interest in this I'll look foe some.
 
It's important to note that a considerable percentage of almost any population supports these sorts of measures. Not so much on this message board, but poll any sizable random group and you're likely to find a lot of people aren't against arbitrary detention, torture, and even summary execution of members of unpopular groups.

On recent example is the killing of Brian Thompson (CEO of United Healthcare) [Wikipedia], which was largely met with a rather muted response.
I agree. History shows us this. To think it's unique to the US is ignoring history.
 
Funny how it all worked out once trump took office
When Donnie Diapers said he didn't know anything about Project 2025, the maga wierdos nodded in unison. The uninformed casual voters shrugged and asked "Whut's that?" and that was the extent of their inquiry. The rest of us knew DD was full of ◊◊◊◊, but that's little solace now that he's going to implement every last authoritarin bit of it. If it can be undone at all, it will take generations to do so. I used to think history would expose the sociopathic, criminal narcissist maniac for what he is, but as we know, history is written by the victors, and right now, maga weirdos are the victors. It may be that the non-weirdo Trump voters might come to their senses, but given the last voting cycle, I see no evidence, nor feel any confidence in that hypothesis.
 
Trump said he hadn’t read Project 2025 – but most of his early executive actions overlap with its proposals:
A CNN analysis of the 53 executive orders and actions from Trump’s first week in office found that more than two-thirds – 36 – evoke proposals outlined in “Mandate for Leadership,” Project 2025’s 922-page blueprint for the next Republican president.

A special shoutout to all the astute political minds in this thread who told us this wouldn't happen.

Great job, folks. You are the best and the brightest this forum has to offer.
 
The first lines of this thread: Trump "I know nothing about project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."
 
That's what is truly baffling me.
The GOP clearly indicated that if they got into power that they intend to strip the US down to the bone by turning it into a mixture of Russian olicarchy and Iranian theocracy with a different religion.
The only one denying this was Trump, who hasn't spoken anything truthful in his entire political career and will be golfing (at the tax payers expense) on his own golf courses and shouting soundbites from time to time while putting his signature on anything that is given to him.

Normally if a country self destructs in such a stupid way the rest of the world can sort of ignore it, but this clown has a nuclear launch button.
 
Some comments from earlier in the thread:

Well, I have a feeling that Trump will "suddenly" remember Project 2025 and the "good, decent" people behind it now. Guess we'll see just how much will be implemented.

He'll implement as much of it as he possibly can and claim it was his idea all along.

Don't forget the "Bloodbath". "Firing Squads" for Liz Cheney. Those "very fine people" will now be empowered to round up undesirables for the internment camps. All will now be forced to hail and palm salute the new "Reich" leader. All these things should begin soon according to Democrats. Unless they were lying again, which is far more likely.

Now that he is the POTUS elect, he isn't distancing himself from it.
 
Some of you knew this would happen.

I genuinely believed Americans were smarter and nicer than has been proven with the election and this past month.

Some of you weren't surprised at all, but it's been a massively huge shock and disappointment to me.
Sadly, I expected as much, and to be honest, I expect things are going to get a lot worse before they get better....
 
As the board's resident Cassandra I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed with myself. In retrospect, it's clear that I've been far too optimistic.

For all that I thought that Project 2025 would be implemented, I never thought that there would be a (double !) Nazi salute at the inauguration - followed by frantic scrabbling from the GOP mainstream to explain that it wasn't a salute and that those suggesting that it was are just big meanies.

Likewise with the slew of Executive Orders (EOs). I assumed that these kinds of things would gradually be snuck in over a period of weeks or months, not brazenly implemented by EO and supinely accepted by Congress.
 
well you also forgot the part about the rich foreigner establishing the fake department while issuing security clearances, accessing sensitive payroll data, and locking out the officials that are supposed to have access.

and the crypto stuff, they’re going to steal hundreds of billions from the taxpayers doing that. that’s the biggest financial con here.

this stuff is bonkers.
 

As the board's resident Cassandra I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed with myself. In retrospect, it's clear that I've been far too optimistic.

For all that I thought that Project 2025 would be implemented, I never thought that there would be a (double !) Nazi salute at the inauguration - followed by frantic scrabbling from the GOP mainstream to explain that it wasn't a salute and that those suggesting that it was are just big meanies.

Likewise with the slew of Executive Orders (EOs). I assumed that these kinds of things would gradually be snuck in over a period of weeks or months, not brazenly implemented by EO and supinely accepted by Congress.
You and me both. This is horrifying.
 
Don't worry, the maga weirdos will soon be gaslighting for their cult leader about project 2025, and how his intial denial of knowledge was him playing 11-nty dimension chess, and how Musk's clear nazi salute was a kinder, gentler nazi salute.
 
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As the board's resident Cassandra I'd just like to say that I'm disappointed with myself. In retrospect, it's clear that I've been far too optimistic.

For all that I thought that Project 2025 would be implemented, I never thought that there would be a (double !) Nazi salute at the inauguration - followed by frantic scrabbling from the GOP mainstream to explain that it wasn't a salute and that those suggesting that it was are just big meanies.

Likewise with the slew of Executive Orders (EOs). I assumed that these kinds of things would gradually be snuck in over a period of weeks or months, not brazenly implemented by EO and supinely accepted by Congress.
"Dictator on Day One". First promise Trump has ever kept.
 
well you also forgot the part about the rich foreigner establishing the fake department while issuing security clearances, accessing sensitive payroll data, and locking out the officials that are supposed to have access.

and the crypto stuff, they’re going to steal hundreds of billions from the taxpayers doing that. that’s the biggest financial con here.

this stuff is bonkers.
Mentioned elsewhere: All the data Muskrat's team steals will go direct to Russia and China.

Awesome. :sarcasm:
 
I knew Trump was bonkers but I was too optimistic in thinking that the adults in the room would not go along with his idiocies. In that I was wrong... there are no Republican adults. (And of course I knew that, when Biden stepped down, there was no way the USA would elect a woman, not to mention a black one, as president).

For those who voted for Trump, well they are getting what they want - but some will pay the price - didn't they read Project 2025? Sigh. Probably not.

For those who didn't bother to vote for whatever reason, I am and will always be angry at. We all are reaping the chaos whirlwind.
 
For those who voted for Trump, well they are getting what they want - but some will pay the price - didn't they read Project 2025? Sigh. Probably not.

For those who didn't bother to vote for whatever reason, I am and will always be angry at. We all are reaping the chaos whirlwind.
Those who vote for dictators generally believe that the bad parts of their projects will not apply to themselves (and that if it does it will be temporary and not as severe for them as for their adversaries).

Those who don't bother to vote usually fail to consider that most dictators do actually mean what they say, even if what they say appears to be lunatic's ravings that nobody would actually act upon.
 
Those who don't bother to vote usually fail to consider that most dictators do actually mean what they say, even if what they say appears to be lunatic's ravings that nobody would actually act upon.
There are also those who cannot bring themselves to vote for least bad, because he or she is not going to implement their own pet policy.
 
There are also those who cannot bring themselves to vote for least bad, because he or she is not going to implement their own pet policy.
The 'That'll show them' brigade, thinking that it means next time 'their' party will move further to the left to appease them...rather than logically concluding that not only does that let a further right party in but it potentially encourages 'their party' to think that's the direction the votes are.
 
The 'That'll show them' brigade, thinking that it means next time 'their' party will move further to the left to appease them...rather than logically concluding that not only does that let a further right party in but it potentially encourages 'their party' to think that's the direction the votes are.
Yes, and also the idealists who could only vote for their own candidate, and bugger all.
 
I knew Trump was bonkers but I was too optimistic in thinking that the adults in the room would not go along with his idiocies. In that I was wrong... there are no Republican adults. (And of course I knew that, when Biden stepped down, there was no way the USA would elect a woman, not to mention a black one, as president).

For those who voted for Trump, well they are getting what they want - but some will pay the price - didn't they read Project 2025? Sigh. Probably not.

For those who didn't bother to vote for whatever reason, I am and will always be angry at. We all are reaping the chaos whirlwind.
I definitely would never vote for Trump, but me not voting in no way affected the outcome. I moved from a swing state to a solidly red state between elections. Because of the electoral college, my vote in a state that Trump won by 30 something points is utterly useless. If I was still in the swing state, I would have been voting as soon as possible or I would have voted if the EC did not exist.
 
I definitely would never vote for Trump, but me not voting in no way affected the outcome. I moved from a swing state to a solidly red state between elections. Because of the electoral college, my vote in a state that Trump won by 30 something points is utterly useless. If I was still in the swing state, I would have been voting as soon as possible or I would have voted if the EC did not exist.
You are right even if you had voted, Trump would still be president but if only a small percentage of Red State non-voters had voted against Trump he would have lost the popular vote and that would have made his 'Landslide Victory, Will of the People' claims even more stupid.
 
The 'That'll show them' brigade, thinking that it means next time 'their' party will move further to the left to appease them...rather than logically concluding that not only does that let a further right party in but it potentially encourages 'their party' to think that's the direction the votes are.
To be fair, that's a tactic of the right of parties a lot more than the left, including in 2024. A large number of sitting Dems were primaried by DINOs in marginal seats, when the only chance of a Dem win was a strong left wing candidate.

The far right will never be ushered in by the left, because the moderates will have stabbed them in the back for that honour.
 
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