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Project 2025

That slapping sound, of meat against meat, is you realizing your preferred government has been a cabal of powerful elites all along.

Well to some degree, yes. But again the 'whattaboutism' is insane. Given the choice of living under a Putin-led oligarchy and a system that at least has some democratic system in place, most of us would prefer the latter.
 
Well to some degree, yes. But again the 'whattaboutism' is insane. Given the choice of living under a Putin-led oligarchy and a system that at least has some democratic system in place, most of us would prefer the latter.

Sure. But that's not the choice you've been given. It if it is, it's the Biden-Harris choice. Putin worked himself up through insider channels, co-opting the established systems of corruption and power along the way. Trump never served in the CIA. Trump never managed commerce for one of the major ports of a kleptocracy. Trump never leveraged the support of kleptocrats to secure his presidency.
 
Sure. But that's not the choice you've been given. It if it is, it's the Biden-Harris choice. Putin worked himself up through insider channels, co-opting the established systems of corruption and power along the way. Trump never served in the CIA. Trump never managed commerce for one of the major ports of a kleptocracy. Trump never leveraged the support of kleptocrats to secure his presidency.

Sure he did. What do you thing the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, etc are? He used Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, Forbes, Sheldon Adelson and countless others of America's kleptocrats. Just as he is using Musk today.
 
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Sure he did. What do you thing the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, etc are? He used Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, Forbes, Sheldon Adelson and countless others of America's kleptocrats. Just as he is using Musk today.

Not only that, but despite the MAGA cries of 'globalism--bad' we certainly know that there was lots of foreign influence and offshore money laundering during the Trump term.
 
When asked about connections to Russia, Trump replied:
Trump said:
I don't know who Putin is.


When asked about the fact that David Duke was supporting him, Trump replied:
Trump said:
I just don’t know anything about him.


So it's no surprise at all that when asked about Project 2025, he replied:
Trump said:
I have not seen it. I have no idea who is in charge of it.


He's probably been foisting this flavor of nonsense since he was a toddler.
 
Sure he did. What do you thing the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, etc are? He used Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, Forbes, Sheldon Adelson and countless others of America's kleptocrats. Just as he is using Musk today.

Exactly.
 
Sure. But that's not the choice you've been given. It if it is, it's the Biden-Harris choice. Putin worked himself up through insider channels, co-opting the established systems of corruption and power along the way. Trump never served in the CIA. Trump never managed commerce for one of the major ports of a kleptocracy. Trump never leveraged the support of kleptocrats to secure his presidency.

Not many people know this, but he kilt him a bar when he was only three, and used the skin for bootstraps.
 
TIL government service is just like Putin. As opposed to talking and acting like a Temu Putin
 
Sure he did. What do you thing the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, etc are? He used Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs, Forbes, Sheldon Adelson and countless others of America's kleptocrats. Just as he is using Musk today.

I think you've got that kinda backwards. Those guys are using him. He's utterly unaware of that, of course. You can't actually tell Trump anything, but he's extremely suggestible.
 
I think you've got that kinda backwards. Those guys are using him. He's utterly unaware of that, of course. You can't actually tell Trump anything, but he's extremely suggestible.

They may have intended using him but he is so impulsive and self centred that it's near impossible keeping him on track.
 
Not only that, but despite the MAGA cries of 'globalism--bad' we certainly know that there was lots of foreign influence and offshore money laundering during the Trump term.
You know, a case could be made that the majority of America's problems stem from "foreigners"...

Rupert Murdoch (from Australia) started Fox news, the republican propaghanda arm

Mark Burnett (from the UK) was producer of The Apprentice, the reality TV show that arguably resurrected Trump's career

Saudi Arabia seems to want to mess with oil prices in a way that benefits republicans

Russia gave assistance to Trump to get him elected
 
Well, I have a feeling that Trump will "suddenly" remember Project 2025 and the "good, decent" people behind it now. Guess we'll see just how much will be implemented.
 
All the parts that require cutting will go full steam ahead. Goodbye dept of education. Others will take some time as they have to push funding through congress. Trump will not have Hitler powers until...oh...Jan of 2026. The house is not going to change much. So they will have to have Trump personally shoot any member that does not vote for any of his laws.
 
A lot of Project 2025 would be unpopular with Red State voters; "I want government cut but not that!"
I think it more of wish list then anything else.
 
I think they renamed it the 180 Day Project in an attempt to fool people into thinking they are not going to implement Project 2025.
 
I think they renamed it the 180 Day Project in an attempt to fool people into thinking they are not going to implement Project 2025.
While simultaneously making it sound a lot more ominous. Sounds like something out of Communist China, like the "Five Year Plan".

He'll implement as much of it as he possibly can and claim it was his idea all along.
As far as I know, 60% of Project-- sorry, the 180 Day Project was already implemented during Dump's reign.
 
Matt Walsh said on X, "Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol". I am not sure how seriously one should take him, but this does not sound good.
 
Don't forget the "Bloodbath". "Firing Squads" for Liz Cheney. Those "very fine people" will now be empowered to round up undesirables for the internment camps. All will now be forced to hail and palm salute the new "Reich" leader. All these things should begin soon according to Democrats. Unless they were lying again, which is far more likely.
 
I think it really might take violent resistance or intimidation against these ghouls to make them think twice about going ahead with their agenda.
 
I think it really might take violent resistance or intimidation against these ghouls to make them think twice about going ahead with their agenda.
No, they'd welcome that because then they could respond with violence in kind.

What will actually reign in the madness is money: whatever wacky notions these maniacs propose, any that threaten the wealth of the wealthiest will be torpedoed. Making some poor girl carry her rapist's baby doesn't make a ripple to dividends, but mass deportations would impact the bottom line of billion-dollar agribusinesses. The "populism" we're experiencing is a creation of the moneyed interests and will not work against them. Trump says things to get power, then uses that power to boost money. It's why he is.

MAGA "populism" is as much of a tool as Christianity is for the Republican party. That some/many/most of those being used don't realize it just makes them easier to use.
 
CNN reported, "After Trump left office, Miller started an advisory group called America First Legal, which went on to contribute to Project 2025, the sweeping conservative blueprint for the next Republican president created by the Heritage Foundation. On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly distanced himself from Project 2025, claiming that he had no idea who was behind it, despite its close ties to Miller and other crucial figures in Trump’s orbit." Stephen Miller appears to the be the choice for deputy chief of staff for policy.
 
When asked about connections to Russia, Trump replied:



When asked about the fact that David Duke was supporting him, Trump replied:



So it's no surprise at all that when asked about Project 2025, he replied:



He's probably been foisting this flavor of nonsense since he was a toddler.
Mom: "'Mommy?' Can you say 'mommy'"?
Little Donald: "I don't even know who that is."
 
A lot of Project 2025 would be unpopular with Red State voters; "I want government cut but not that!"
I think it more of wish list then anything else.
It's highly likely the ONLY voters negatively affected by it will be Red State voters. But they are simply going to have to learn the hard way - by experiencing what they voted for. Blue states, meanwhile, will simply resist, or more likely just ignore Project 2025 and do their own things. States have all the power, according to Donny's bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS.
 
It's highly likely the ONLY voters negatively affected by it will be Red State voters. But they are simply going to have to learn the hard way - by experiencing what they voted for. Blue states, meanwhile, will simply resist, or more likely just ignore Project 2025 and do their own things. States have all the power, according to Donny's bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS.
Only if they're red states and the things that they're doing are supported by SCOTUS.
 
Only if they're red states and the things that they're doing are supported by SCOTUS.
So you expect the SCOTUS to actually make decisions along the lines that "It's OK for Florida to not deport their brown people because they mow the white folks' lawns but California MUST deport their brown people because they are taking honest Americans' lawn-mowing jobs"? And expect not to be ignored?
 
So you expect the SCOTUS to actually make decisions along the lines that "It's OK for Florida to not deport their brown people because they mow the white folks' lawns but California MUST deport their brown people because they are taking honest Americans' lawn-mowing jobs"? And expect not to be ignored?
I would imagine the initial thrust of the militarised mass deportations would be in blue states/cities. Then in red states after consulations with the Governors and corporate interests there.
 
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