Philippines: This Will End Well

Duterte now announces a new alliance of China, Russia and the Philippines. In such company I am expecting Duterte to work the democratic system to his own ends and stay in power as long as he wants.
Colour me surprised. I never saw this coming. /sarcasm

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Hopefully this will go someway to defusing tensions around the South China Sea. The Peoples Vassal Republic of the Phillipines can pretend to have a say in their part of the region, China gets much of what they wanted in terms of land and resources, as well as more cannon fodder/ meat shields/Organ farms and The US can step back and say "well we tried." hopefully the Filipino people don't suffer to much under beloved presedente for life Dutarte. Wonder if China will start trying to tax trade ships passing through.

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Wonder if China will start trying to tax trade ships passing through.

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Tax or restrict/blockade, and that's one troubling aspect of this whole bizarre game China is playing there.

Jeez... imagine if the US declared the water between Washington State and Alaska to be our territorial waters, part of our EEZ? :eek:
 
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A charming story from Duterte Harry's War on Drugs; a tale of a husband and wife helping feed their children...

So our boss contacts us by phone and tells us we need to do a job on someone.

They might be ordinary people, but they're all pretty much the same - drug pushers or crooks. Or they've crossed our boss. We bring down those types of people.

$100 a hit.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11734774
 

The perfect response from someone desperate to be contrarian without evidence or cause.

Congratulations, though, on being the second person this week to dismiss multiple journalism award winning NZ Herald on the basis that it's a story from NZ, while utterly failing to see that it wasn't even their story, or from NZ.
 
The perfect response from someone desperate to be contrarian without evidence or cause.

Congratulations, though, on being the second person this week to dismiss multiple journalism award winning NZ Herald on the basis that it's a story from NZ, while utterly failing to see that it wasn't even their story, or from NZ.

Yeah, I failed to see that the story about Duterte was not from the Philippines
 
Yeah, I failed to see that the story about Duterte was not from the Philippines

That doesn't make sense. Do you suppose that they wrote the story in Australia?

Here's a little info on the two guys who produced the story. Mind you I've kept the focus narrow. You could broaden the focus and find that the network has a long history of jounalistic integrity, as well as being a key player in the fight for equality of all.

Joel Tozer
http://www.walkleys.com/journalist-winners/joeltozer/

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/09/sbs-journalist-joel-tozer-recognised-kennedy-awards


Evan Williams
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/author/evan-williams

And the network.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/07/21/sbs-wins-multicultural-media-awards
 
Duterte tells US businessmen: ‘Go ahead, pack your bags’

The Philippine Star said:
[...] Duterte also hit [visiting US State Department Assistant Secretary Daniel] Russel for supposedly being too nervous about his recent state visit to China.

“Now, what did I tell to China? I went there, just being nice,” the President said. “I am just a small person. How can I cause distress? You are nervous because you are guilty.”

Duterte said his state visit to China last week triggered a lot of speculations.

“Napakabilis ng malisya ng mga gago (These fools were quick to think maliciously). We did not talk about anything in China except to cook siopao and chopsuey,” the President said in jest.

Duterte also scored Goldberg’s statement that the US remains committed to defend the Philippines.

“There will be no wars anymore. Who will wage war with us? China? What will they get? Japan? What defense? They want to talk about the boogeyman war,” the President said.

“Stop that ****. Nobody is interested in wars anymore. And if there is a fight, you fight your wars. Do not include mine. [...]
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Oh, that is pure genius by Duterte.

We did not talk about anything in China except to cook siopao and chopsuey,” the President said in jest.

Chop suey.

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That doesn't make sense. Do you suppose that they wrote the story in Australia?

Here's a little info on the two guys who produced the story. Mind you I've kept the focus narrow. You could broaden the focus and find that the network has a long history of jounalistic integrity, as well as being a key player in the fight for equality of all.

Joel Tozer
http://www.walkleys.com/journalist-winners/joeltozer/

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/09/sbs-journalist-joel-tozer-recognised-kennedy-awards


Evan Williams
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/author/evan-williams

And the network.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/07/21/sbs-wins-multicultural-media-awards

Kennedy awards?????????

How come I am not thinking these awards come from Brazil or India?
 
“There will be no wars anymore. Who will wage war with us? China? What will they get? Japan? What defense? They want to talk about the boogeyman war,” the President said.

“Stop that ****. Nobody is interested in wars anymore. And if there is a fight, you fight your wars. Do not include mine.

This is one of the first Duterte quotes that I've actually kind of liked. Of course, an obvious answer to "What will [China] get?" is "the Spratly Islands and control of the South China Sea". Duterte doesn't seem to want to go to war over that and I can't say I blame him. By phrasing things this way, he gets to look tough by standing up to the United States instead of looking weak by backing down to China.

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The president has spoken about being abused by an American priest as a child, saying that informed his political views.

I didn't know that. That priest is very, very lucky he's not still around.
 
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To be fair, Civet merely quoted my quotation from the Philippine Star as you can still see it in my post. The website is in maintenance atm but I'm 100% sure that I copypastad the partly-disguised four-letter word 1:1 from their text (without bad intention or even noticing).
 
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In this morning's news, Chinese vessels have disappeared (as in "departed" not as in "poof") from the disputed area.

The Philippine government is scratching their heads, officially. They just don't know how this happened or where they went and they're pretty sure that Duterte's visit to China had nothing to do with it.
 
Deputy U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken told reporters in Beijing on Saturday that China's withdrawal from Scarborough Shoal, even if it were a product of bilateral talks with Duterte, "would be a positive development" welcomed by Washington.

He said it would be consistent with an international arbitration ruling in July that invalidated Beijing's sweeping territorial claims in the South China Sea. The ruling said that both Filipinos and Chinese can fish at the shoal, but China ignored it and its coast guard continued to block Filipino fishermen.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ng-chinese-ships-left-disputed-shoal-43133898
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International...ng-chinese-ships-left-disputed-shoal-43133898

Deputy U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken told reporters in Beijing on Saturday that China's withdrawal from Scarborough Shoal, even if it were a product of bilateral talks with Duterte, "would be a positive development" welcomed by Washington.

He said it would be consistent with an international arbitration ruling in July that invalidated Beijing's sweeping territorial claims in the South China Sea. The ruling said that both Filipinos and Chinese can fish at the shoal, but China ignored it and its coast guard continued to block Filipino fishermen

Filipino here. I've been following and affected by this case since 2012 when it all started. I agree with Civet: this what China has to gain, and while I understand the fact that the Islands belong to the Philippines, I sure as hell don't want to get involved in a war because of them.

The Deputy Secretary of State's position is pretty much consistent with what the US has been saying since 2012. Then Defence secretary Leon Panetta explicitly said that they weren't "taking sides". It's obvious, really. The US had and still has (though probably not for long) a "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines, but they also have a lot of business interests in China. The latter takes presedence over the former, and they're not going to "go to war" with China and risk their Business interests. Hence, Panetta's neutrality. Thus, even though China started the affair by blocking Filipino fishermen from the Islands, and even declared economic sanctions on the Philippines and limited the number of tourists to the Philippines, officials like Panetta and Hillary Clinton remained neutral and insisted on a "diplomatic solution"- which was why the previous president took the case to the international court.

I don't get why the President's supporters, both here and abroad, make the US seem like the "bad guy". Sure, they've done lots of nasty things (I've spoken at length about this elsewhere) past and present, but they're not the "villain" here. They only got involved because the last Administration dragged them into the mess, and were hoping they could secure the Scarborough shoal with American Military backing. No matter how you look at it, China started the mess by occupying the Islands and denying it to Filipino fishermen. It's not true that everything wrong in the world is automatically the Great Satan's fault.
 


President Duterte actually visited the Small Jewish community in the Philippines during their New year celebrations and apologized in person for this statement. I like that about him. I knew that our country welcomed Jewish Refugees fleeing the Holocaust, but I never realized that some of them still lived here.

Here's the statement of the Israeli embassy on Duterte's visit

Israeli Embassy Facebook page said:
A historic visit of the Philippine President to the Jewish Synagogue carries the blessings of the New Year’s holiday which symbolizes soul search, forgiveness and atonement…
President Rodrigo Duterte decided to come to the Synagogue of the Jewish community in Manila to apologize personally to the Jewish world on statements made connecting the Jewish Holocaust and his war on drugs.
The President made it clear what was already clear and known that he did not mean disrespect to the Jewish people. Referring to his personal life, his wife Elizabeth Zimmerman is actually a daughter of a Jewish father who found the Philippines as a shelter and home. He expressed his respect and affinity to the Jewish people and Israel, paying homage to Prime Minister Netanyahu and his desire to strengthen ties with Israel.
On the other end, the Ambassador made it clear that the President’s words speak for themselves and they are genuine coming from his heart. We believe that any reference to Nazi Germany that is not in the context of the most evil empire is not going to achieve anything and will be counterproductive. The Nazi empire murdered endless millions of people not for their wrongdoings but rather for being different race or religion. The Jewish people were the ultimate target with an attempt to annihilate us to the last living soul only for the sole reason of hate coupled with racial supremacy and megalomania.

Not long after this, it was mentioned in the news about how the President was interested in buying weapons and equipment from Israel.

http://www.philstar.com:8080/headli...pines-eyes-arms-surveillance-equipment-israel

MANILA, Philippines – In a bid to improve the country’s fight against terrorism, President Duterte is eyeing one or two countries – including Israel – for the procurement of intelligence equipment and arms for the military.

Duterte noted that many countries sourced their intelligence equipment from China, India and Israel but the Philippines should ensure the quality of the equipment and that states or governments that supplied them would not take advantage and eavesdrop on local affairs.

Also

http://www.timesofisrael.com/will-i...to-hitler-and-wants-to-kill-3-million-people/

Moments into his Rosh Hashanah speech, the Philippines leader went off script and began speaking not only about his Hitler comment and desire to kill three million drug dealers and users, but also about his intention to purchase his military’s equipment from the Jewish state.

“In the matters of arms. I said, do not buy from anyone except from Israel,” he told the congregants.

“You should get it as fast as Israel can produce it. I’m buying,” Duterte told Filipino troops on September 20

We'll have to wait and see where this story goes.


I noticed something interesting while this story was making the rounds. A lot of Jewish Organizations worldwide - Rightfully- called the president out for his statement. A very conspicuous exception was Israel itself. After Iran's Ahmadinejad promoted Holocaust denial some time ago, I actually expected them to say something. But until this story that I shared, I didn't hear a thing. Fair is Fair: Jews don't control the world, so Israel needs all the friends and sympathizers they can get. They don't say a thing about Duterte, and in exchange, he doesn't say a thing about them and buys military equipment from them. They're both Brilliant.

Here's what I think: It's incorrect to call the President the "Philippine Trump", as people did during the election period. Sure, the conditions that led to their popularity are similar: Voters in the Philippines and the USA are pissed at the status quo and are interested in someone different. Unlike Trump, Duterte has a "certain" amount of character. I honestly think it's much more appropriate to call the President the Philippine Netanyahu. Their style is totally the same. Duterte's invoking of past American crimes to deflect from criticism of his policies is no different from Netanyahu, Lieberman et al invoking the Holocaust or the long, sad history of Antisemitism to distract from Israel's crimes against Palestinians. Netanyahu manipulates the Israeli public into being Paranoid about Palestinian and International opinion by tapping into their collective memory of past Antisemitic persecution, and Duterte (or at least his supporters) manipulates the Filipino public's fears about "Drugs" and American Policy - real or imagined - to convince them to support his policies and dismiss criticism as "American Hegemony". I'm interested in seeing where this story goes. I found it hilarious. Seriously, I hope this goes somewhere. These two deserve each other.

I'm not sure if it was brought up, but Israel also has business relations with China.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...as-Vice-Premier-opens-free-trade-talks-449562
 
Filipino here. ...

I don't get why the President's supporters, both here and abroad, make the US seem like the "bad guy". Sure, they've done lots of nasty things (I've spoken at length about this elsewhere) past and present, but they're not the "villain" here. They only got involved because the last Administration dragged them into the mess, and were hoping they could secure the Scarborough shoal with American Military backing. No matter how you look at it, China started the mess by occupying the Islands and denying it to Filipino fishermen. It's not true that everything wrong in the world is automatically the Great Satan's fault.

Excellent piece of work, thanks very much.

Balanced and accurate & well written. You don't get a lot of that around here.
 
"Childlike Empress" said:
President Duterte said:
Duterte blamed the US for the long-standing peace problem in the Mindanao region. He argued that the Philippines inherited the problem from the US when the latter invaded the country.

Really, Duterte said that? I'm not sure if I should praise his brilliance or curse his dishonesty.

This is the real reason. My anti American College History professor said the same thing, in case Childlike Empress doubts this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabidah_massacre
The Jabidah massacre was the alleged killing of Moro soldiers by members of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) on 18 March 1968.[3] It is also known as the Corregidor massacre as the killing took place on Corregidor Island in the Philippines.

In 1967, President Ferdinand Marcos secretly authorized Major Eduardo "Abdul Latif" Martelino, a Muslim convert, to take charge of the operations of a secret commando unit code-named "Jabidah" and embark on an operation called "Project Merdeka" (merdeka means "freedom" in Malay) to destabilize and take over Sabah.[20] The alleged mastermind, however, included leading generals in the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), Defense Undersecretary Manuel Syquio, and Marcos himself.[5]

It was during the second phase of the operation that the massacre took place. After 180 young Tausugs from Sulu received basic training, they were transported to a remote section of Corregidor Island at the mouth of Manila Bay[10] where they were further trained in guerrilla operations and jungle warfare. Once on the island, the code name was changed to ‘Jabidah’.[5] The real purpose of the formation of Jabidah was never publicised therefore leading to wide speculations and controversies regarding this top secret military plan.[4]
To summarize:
1) The Philippine government had/has a claim to the Island of Sabah near Malaysia. This was still an issue as of 2013, when Muslim Guerrillas from Mindanao clashed with Malaysians. When I was on vacation in Sabah, I was quite surprised to discover that a lot of them also knew Tagalog.

2) Former President Marcos and the AFP set up a unit of Muslim Guerrilas to infiltrate Sabah, destabilize it and provide a reason for The Philippines to invade and reclaim it.

3) Tensions arose between the AFP and the Guerillas, and the AFP massacred them. Word reached the Muslims in Mindanao, and they formed resistance groups to fight for Muslim autonomy.

The key point is number 2. The real root cause was Former President Marcos and his plan, and the resulting massacre. Marcos, your garden variety American backed Cold war "strong man" was deposed in 1986 by the EDSA revolution. His family and supporters are still at large in the country today, and Marcos' son who is every bit a snake like his father was ran for the vice presidency in the recent election. He was surprisingly very popular, and there are a lot of conspiracy theories that the election was "rigged" against him. Anyway, the point is that Marcos loyalists and the Marcos family are among Duterte's strongest supporters. And he knows it, which is why he supports having Former president and dictator Marcos buried in the military cemetary, despite a lot of the late dictator's victims protesting against it. This statement is nothing less than President Duterte lying by shifting the blame to the US from former president Marcos, whose loyalists are among his strongest supporters. It's a lie, but he manages to dupe and stroke Anti Americans and appease his base by whitewashing their hero. It's a masterstroke, but I'm not sure how to take it.
 
Here's what I think: It's incorrect to call the President the "Philippine Trump", as people did during the election period. Sure, the conditions that led to their popularity are similar: Voters in the Philippines and the USA are pissed at the status quo and are interested in someone different. Unlike Trump, Duterte has a "certain" amount of character. I honestly think it's much more appropriate to call the President the Philippine Netanyahu. Their style is totally the same. Duterte's invoking of past American crimes to deflect from criticism of his policies is no different from Netanyahu, Lieberman et al invoking the Holocaust or the long, sad history of Antisemitism to distract from Israel's crimes against Palestinians. Netanyahu manipulates the Israeli public into being Paranoid about Palestinian and International opinion by tapping into their collective memory of past Antisemitic persecution, and Duterte (or at least his supporters) manipulates the Filipino public's fears about "Drugs" and American Policy - real or imagined - to convince them to support his policies and dismiss criticism as "American Hegemony". I'm interested in seeing where this story goes. I found it hilarious. Seriously, I hope this goes somewhere. These two deserve each other.

Sure, but then comparisons of Netanyahu to Trump aren't unheard of either - the guy is nuts.
 
So when will he blame US conspiracy against economy like we have seen Maduro to do?

Hey, he can buddy up to his new pal, China and ask them for a few billion to take the pressure off.

It's not as though they're propping up their economy and sharemarket to any great extent, so $40-50 Bn for not having to fight Phils for the islands must be fine.

I wonder how much largesse they can afford right now? Massive spending on infrastructure and defence as well as gazillions in the Shanghai market. Pity they're so secretive on numbers.
 
Philippines President Duterte calls off US rifle deal

RT said:
[...] "Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don't want to sell. Son of a *****, we have many homemade guns here. These American fools," Duterte said during a TV speech last Wednesday.

"Russia, they are inviting us. China also. China is open, anything you want, they sent me a brochure saying we select there, we'll give you,” Duterte said. [...]


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I'm pretty far from an expert on the subject, but I was of the impression that the Philippines had some good domestic gun manufacturers (both legitimate and otherwise). Can they not supply something adequate on their own? Duterte mentions "many homemade guns". Any of the forum gun guys want to weigh in?
 

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