Philippines: This Will End Well

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I don't know whether anyone's been following the political situation in the Philippines, but they've just elected a Trump-like blowhard to a six-year presidency.

The economy has been in the dirt for years and the country still feels the effects of the Marcos years, which led to the vacuum that President Duterte has stepped into.

The guy is a raving loony, but his anti-crime and anti-drug stance has hit a strong chord with Filipinos and they've given the bloke the keys to the treasury. His anti-crime gangs in Davao are legendary, having disposed of at least 1000 "criminals" under Duterte's mayoralty of the city.

I deal with a lot of Filipinos and I'm comforted by their view of Duterte - many of them see him as a saviour to the extent that they're happy to allow the human rights abuses in return for reduced crime.

I am therefore sure this will end well.

(Oh, and don't piss off anyone in Phils, if you happen to be over there.)
 
I don't know whether anyone's been following the political situation in the Philippines, but they've just elected a Trump-like blowhard to a six-year presidency.

The economy has been in the dirt for years and the country still feels the effects of the Marcos years, which led to the vacuum that President Duterte has stepped into.

The guy is a raving loony, but his anti-crime and anti-drug stance has hit a strong chord with Filipinos and they've given the bloke the keys to the treasury. His anti-crime gangs in Davao are legendary, having disposed of at least 1000 "criminals" under Duterte's mayoralty of the city.

I deal with a lot of Filipinos and I'm comforted by their view of Duterte - many of them see him as a saviour to the extent that they're happy to allow the human rights abuses in return for reduced crime.
I am therefore sure this will end well.

(Oh, and don't piss off anyone in Phils, if you happen to be over there.)

That's how it always starts. then...after they have run out of "Criminals" to kill, they will then manufacture more criminals.

Show me the man, and I will find you the crime.
 
That's how it always starts. then...after they have run out of "Criminals" to kill, they will then manufacture more criminals.

That was my point.

Besides which, if you dislike someone, Duterte has given immunity to you to shoot them then slip a bag of meth in their sock, and hey presto, you get a medal for doing it.

He'd get impeached in very short order.

He didn't get impeached in 20 years of running Davao, and with the mandate he now has, I'd say that is highly unlikely.
 
Seems like it could be a slippery slope...

but those don't actually exist.
 
The Marcos years are over two decades behind us.

TA: raise your game, bro. Pres Aquino, she, did a lot to move the PI in a new direction. Flogging Imelda and Ferdinand is so 90's. Check calendar.
 
The Marcos years are over two decades behind us.

TA: raise your game, bro. Pres Aquino, she, did a lot to move the PI in a new direction. Flogging Imelda and Ferdinand is so 90's. Check calendar.


Compared to Diabolical Duterte, Imelda and Ferdidand were like Kim and Kanye. Because shoes.
 
This is an old article; however, it seems like Rodrigo Duterte is actually worse than Donald Trump.

I don't think there's much doubt on that - I haven't heard Trump calling for anyone's death.

Yet.

The Marcos years are over two decades behind us.

TA: raise your game, bro. Pres Aquino, she, did a lot to move the PI in a new direction. Flogging Imelda and Ferdinand is so 90's. Check calendar.

Yeah, I know how long ago it was, but it took Phils many years to get its economy into some kind of order and it's still reasonable for the Marcoses to take the blame for that. If they hadn't stolen so much money, the country would be in vastly better shape.

Who knows, Duterte might be just what they need. Authoritarianism seems to work a lot better than the alternative in some cases - Egypt and being a prime example. There's no question the majority of Davoans support Duterte and feel they live in a better city now.
 
Thats democracy for you ! You give people the vote, and .. gosh.. they vote for all the WRONG people !

And its almost as bad in the Phillipines :D
 
Seems like it could be a slippery slope...

but those don't actually exist.

Not to rely too much on 'Top Gear racism' but Rodrigo Duterte does sound like the archetypal 'slippery slope'.

He should have been locked up years ago.
 
Not to rely too much on 'Top Gear racism' but Rodrigo Duterte does sound like the archetypal 'slippery slope'.

He should have been locked up years ago.

Jeremy Clarkson knew all about slipping down those.

I'll show myself out
 
This is what chaos and crime will do:

Almost all Filipinos I've talked to had an attitude of: 'yeah, he's fascist nut who operated death squads. But dammit, did it work'.

Scary dictator better than getting kidnapped and raped. Machiavelli vindicated.
 
I don't know whether anyone's been following the political situation in the Philippines, but they've just elected a Trump-like blowhard to a six-year presidency.

The magic of manipulative rhetoric, lol.

I live part-time on Mindanao. He's over in Davao City where my wife's aunt and people are from. We're on the border of the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao. The ARMM.

I could not tell whether you were being sarcastic, ignorant, or what with this OP. But you don't know much about the Philippines other than Marcos was president once and they have a poor economy.

I am guessing this OP is like a rhetorical question. More a statement, not seeking of any insight into what is going on there in the Philippines, especially Mindanao, where 120,000 people have been killed in the so-called muslim-christian war. One of the reasons the west is demonizing Duterte is because he does not align himself with the world establishment money powers on the question of the "Radical Muslim" problem.

Abu Sayyef is the group on Mindanao that spawned both world trade center bombings. The first bomber, in 1990, was Ramsey Yousef. His Uncle was shiek Khalid Mohammad Atta, the "mastermind" of the second 9/11 bombing.

They were busy making bombs to blow up airplanes in the Philippines after Ramsey Yousef escaped unharmed from the first WTC bombing. The apartment caught fire. Ramsi Yousef was captured and extradited to the USA. His uncle escaped to Pakistan, then Afghanistan to join Osama Bin Laden and turn his own "Bojinka" plot into September 11.

Abu Sayyef. Mindanao Philippines. World trade Center bombing # 1 and #2. The Bojinka Plot, hijacking airplanes and running them into buildings, killing the pope in a spectacular public way - this was all Abu Sayyef originally and not Al Qadea. It was all turned over to the US law enforcement before Uncle Mohammad landed safely in the arms of Osama Bin Laden. Their plot to hijack multiple airplanes and so forth.

Most Americans have no idea how important Mindanao, where Duterte is from, is in the "Radical Muslim" problem. The so-called War on Terror.

There is a top secret and infinitely stupid CIA or NSA nest in the Capital City of the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao. The US had a covert operation with the Philippine National government this year that ended in total disaster. Mindanao, Philippines. In Mamasipano:

The Mamasapano clash was an incident that occurred during a police operation, codenamed Oplan Exodus, which took place on Sunday, January 25, 2015, at Tukanalipao, Mamasapano, Maguindanao, by Special Action Force (SAF) of the Philippine National Police (PNP) (allegedly joined by United States Army Special Forces) against the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). The operation was intended to capture or kill wanted Malaysian terrorist and bomb-maker Zulkifli Abdhir and other Malaysian terrorists and/or high-ranking members of the BIFF.

44 National Police killed - The largest loss of government elite force in Philippines history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamasapano_clash

Not Duterte. But on Mindanao where Duterte did it his own way instead of allowing international money/banking/political interests dictate how engagement with muslim terrorists is going to go down.

Why is Duterte even a subject of any interest if the Philippines is just a meaningless backwater? It shouldn't be news. So why is it news? Because he's actually quite important to powerful international interests and they want to control the message.

On the West side you have brazen Abu Sayyef pirates operating on longer distance and more piratical scale... capturing entire crews of international vessels. But mostly kidnapping foreigners and getting millions in ransom.

Those who don't pay have their heads cut off and dumped in front of the municipal hall on Tawi-Tawi or whatever. The growing scale of all this has resulted in thus far a three-country coalition of Anti-Piracy (Anti-Abu Sayyaf) naval forces.

All this out of Mindanao, Philippines, where this mayor has for decades presided over a peaceful, prosperous, mixed christian-muslim population. Bordering an Autonomous Muslim Region. This guy doesn't have dozens of militiamen slaughtered in battle. He negotiates. He follows his word. He recognizes the original grievances of the muslims who were driven off by the so-called "christian" settlers there.

It is a five hundred year history on Mindanao of first the Spanish and then the Americans who tried to subjugate the Moro people there. It is the place of the most violent and bloody massacres by the US against the people of Mindanao in the Philippine-American War. These are the people who killed Magellan. I learned a lie - that he was the first to circumnavigate the globe. He was not. He was killed by the Lapu-Lapu of the Visayas, Philippines.


All this history Duterte knows full well, and you know none of it. He is now in a position of power.

The last tool of the international powers that called himself president was happy to have dozens of his most elite forces killed in order to serve US international warrants.

Some joke and say that the US will fight to the last standing Filipino in the war on terror or war with china or whatever. That is the kind of joke Duterte would tell. And the US does not like him because of it.

So they want to control the message on Duterte and have people like you write these derisive, dismissive OP's
 
So they want to control the message on Duterte and have people like you write these derisive, dismissive OP's

What a complete and utter load of tosh, and I made no comment on muslins because I really don't care. Mindanao has been a basket-case since shortly after WWII. I'm interested in Duterte and his flagrant human rights abuses.

Defend him all you like, but Duterte is saying these things himself. If he wants to appear to be anything other than a human rights-ignoring buffoon, then maybe he should stop offering to promote police for committing murder.

Insane Prick said:
If they put up P100 million, I will give you P150 million, slaughter them. I will give you promotion on the spot, from PO1 [Police Officer 1] to General.

Also from that link:

The President-elect had promised P5 million for every dead drug lord, P3 million for a syndicate member and P50,000 for a small-time pusher.

The incoming Duterte administration, however, plans to lower the minimum age for criminal liability to 11 years old.

The bloke is barking mad.
 
This is what chaos and crime will do:

Almost all Filipinos I've talked to had an attitude of: 'yeah, he's fascist nut who operated death squads. But dammit, did it work'.

Scary dictator better than getting kidnapped and raped. Machiavelli vindicated.

He seems to be pretty pro rape though. He would happily have been first in line for some gang rapes after all.
 
Thanks for the infos, AlaskaBushPilot. Just pointing out a mistake/misremembering: the terrorist uncle wasn't called "shiek Khalid Mohammad Atta", but Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the guy who was written into the 9/11 narrative after the guy who wired 100,000$ to Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the executive (patsy) gang, Omar Saeed Sheikh, turned out to be a Pakistani and British Secret Service agent and disappeared into the memory hole.
 
This is an old article; however, it seems like Rodrigo Duterte is actually worse than Donald Trump.

Philippines election: Rodrigo Duterte in quotes

Trump? Trump is sweetness and fluffy bunnies compared to this Duterte.

This Duterte is nothing but a re-incarnated Richard Nixon (but even badder than the original) who is waging a Drug War against his own people in order to keep the working class cowed and docile. Any idiot knows that you don't win a drug war by the mass execution of suspected street-level dealers and junkies.

Don't believe a word this Deterte says. he doesn't give a damn about cleaning up the Phillipines, he just wants to make it a safe place for foreign nationals to hire coolies to work in their factories. And when the coolies get out of line, he whacks a few of the for being "Druggies" - and who is to know the difference?

Welcome to the War on Drugs - Philippine Style!
 
The bloke is barking mad.
He operates in a different cultural reality than you do ... but he's a rough customer. Let's see how things are in about a year. What if he's the classic case of "give the people what they want" which is not an unknown phenomenon.
 
He operates in a different cultural reality than you do ... but he's a rough customer. Let's see how things are in about a year. What if he's the classic case of "give the people what they want" which is not an unknown phenomenon.

That appears to be exactly what's going on, but I agree, let's see where it ends up.

Someone will be keeping the score:

Drug dealers v Innocents.
 
That appears to be exactly what's going on, but I agree, let's see where it ends up.

Someone will be keeping the score:

Drug dealers v Innocents.
And how do you confirm the latter? By assumption or investigation? I won't pretend that I know an easy method. I don't.

If you look at some of the political backdrop he's operating against, I suspect that most of the Muslims in the southern Philippines will be happy as clams to seem him wage vendetta versus drug dealers and traffickers. Likewise many of the other folks of other persuasions. If we look at Indonesia and Singapore and Malaysia, for example, it appears that in SE Asia, the tolerance for drug dealers (who get caught) is far lower than in "the west."
 
And how do you confirm the latter? By assumption or investigation? I won't pretend that I know an easy method. I don't.

Yep, and it's not as though anyone will be publishing details to check.

I suppose the only metric that will matter is his re-election. If the people return him after the first term, you'd be reasonable to assume most Filipinos are happy, and it's their country.

If you look at some of the political backdrop he's operating against, I suspect that most of the Muslims in the southern Philippines will be happy as clams to seem him wage vendetta versus drug dealers and traffickers. Likewise many of the other folks of other persuasions. If we look at Indonesia and Singapore and Malaysia, for example, it appears that in SE Asia, the tolerance for drug dealers (who get caught) is far lower than in "the west."

The punishments are a bit steeper as well, although that has to be tempered with a lot of official blind eyes in the region.
 
The question in the Philippines is whether the extra-judicial actions are actually killing dealers or if they're doing business as usual. The country is notorious in that you can pay off a cop a judge and a senator and get your neighbor arrested on any old charge and held for a year or three until they agree to finally sell you that property you wouldn't previously.

The entire drug distribution for Metro Manila was being run from the prison at one time.

The country is so corrupt that it's like Tombstone. Duterte could be the Earps. Impress a whole lot of important people and just grease the skids to get the opposing gangs out of town so his favored gangs have no competition.

Time will tell. I refuse to believe that the early body count is really all truly bad dealers and that there aren't a few grudges being taken care of.
 
The entire drug distribution for Metro Manila was being run from the prison at one time.
Here in southern Texas, that's pretty much the standard way it happens. This year, in 2016.
I refuse to believe that the early body count is really all truly bad dealers and that there aren't a few grudges being taken care of.
Won't bet against you on that one.
 
Is there any indication that kingpin-level operators are being taken out, or is it just the street-level guys being killed?
 
It's easy to do lazy "virtue-signaling". A lot more difficult to understand the culture of SE Asia that has resulted in Duterte being such a landslide victor. More importantly, to understand why the body count he is piling up is approved of by the vast majority of the population.

His closest comparison is Yew. who transformed Singapore from a third world backwater to first world economy and world leader in education in a single generation.

They have the death penalty for marijuana dealers. Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia - just don't go to these places if you have any drug incliniations. They will kill you. So just deal, baby - that's the way they roll in SE Asia.

The people doing the lazy virtue-signaling have a 23 year history with Duterte doing exactly as he is doing right now as president. Thousands of people at a time are turning themselves in as drug users and pushers. It is unprecedented, and called the Duterte Effect. Auditoriums full of people listening to their instructions for getting help to quit - or die. :eek:

So they are turning themselves in.

Davao has been rated the 5th safest city in the world, in the middle of a war zone between the MILF, MNLF and national government. He revealed that the USA wanted a drone base from him in Davao and he refused. He has kept peace in his mixed Muslim/Christian region because he recognizes muslim claims and believes in federalism for them.

Saying you don't care about Mindanao but you care about Duterte being president is illogical. One only has to understand exactly what he has done those 23 years and what he unapologetically continues to do as president if you want to understand the parameters of his assassinations.

This is what the people elected him for and they're thrilled about it. Dismiss this cultural affect, you just found out about it yesterday so you think you know a lot. By pretending he is some statistically bizarre, unpredictable thing and knowing only that he kills, one misses everything important about him.

In order of import, he has come out against the provision in the constitution that limits foreign investment to 40% of in any Philippine venture. It's why the steel plant sits idle in our own area, once the largest in SE Asia. The moment investment is opened up, that steel plant will leap into service again. It is why Philippine communications companies are so far behind, power and utilities etc.

He ordered all business permit applications to be approved in 30 days. This is straight out of his Davao playbook. He is installing cameras to catch corrupt cops. He named five police generals involved in drugs. Showed his intelligence service charts demonstrating the leaders of the two largest shabu distribution networks were already in prison. The other is a police guy. Dozens of mayors have been named. It's pandemonium.

Duterte met with a major international businessman and told him to exit the business or he'd die. It's an on-camera meeting. He is hard to keep up with.

He said the Aquino purchase of the two F-16's was stupid, as if that is some deterrent to China, lol. That is what they were for! He wants to sell them and purchase high speed heavily armed boats to go after theAbu Sayyef pirates threatening international trade in the west.

He's appointed an ex-president as negotiator with China in the South China Sea dispute. China has a long history in Philippines and Mindanao in particular, smack dab in the war region, like Cotobato. But the Muslims do not hate the Chinese. They're just businessmen. Duterte understands the Chinese and has no animosity towards them.

Duterte is the person who can pull off a joint venture with China instead of the war the USA would prefer. China has already invested billions in dredging and ship berthing capability. For hydrocarbon production. They are putting in nuclear power plants.

While the US has lifted its skirt and gone "eek!" the Chinese have forged ahead with their investment. The international court ruling is irrelevant. Their historic claim has already happened. Are we going to bomb their islands now or what? Fiery Cross Reef here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-south-china-sea-spratly-islands-disputed-nuclear-power-philippines-vietnam-japan-a7139421.html

Big airstrips. Man-made lagoon. They have designs as a Hong-Kong type trans-shipment hub, it isn't just hydrocarbon development.

The previous administration was a lap dog to the USA. This one wants resolution, not Chinese "containment" as per the US Policy.

We are looking forward to the future of the Philipines, as are the majority. You cannot pretend to respect self-determination of a people and be so ignorant about what they are doing. There is an oligarchy that has run the Philippines while the little people are under endless petty bureaucracies stifling small business and investment.

The press is unbelievably corrupt and dangerous. The Oligarchy pays for a lot of articles directly. It is the second or third highest murder rate for journalists in the world. You play ball and take the money or they kill you.

Mining for example, in the north Mindanao region permits were issued for 50,000 tons of metal extraction under "small scale" regulations (none) to Liberal Party members and cronies out of Manila. They had taken out around 2 million tons by the time Duterte named and shamed them. He is putting a stop to the environmental devastation it has caused and the ripping off of the locals.

Duterte wants a Federalist Philippines - modeled after the original US Constitution. A system of states. The fact is, sadly, the Philippine constitution is an unworkable pie-in-the-sky joke. It is self-contradictory. It reads, through its entirety, like a pre-amble... in need of an entire thread of its own. It is already in a state of suspension, they are not following much of any of it.

It is illegal under the constitution for example to charge a single peso for education. But millions of Philippinos cannot get an education because they cannot afford the fees in public school. How can this be? Because you won't get teachers if they adhere to the law. The national government doesn't allocate the money. Not enough local taxes. If you want teachers, the school children have to give them money.

Corruption is pandemic in the Philippines. You pay to have your traffic tickets "disappeared" instead of the fines going to the treasury. You pay bribes to get "fixers" for everything - like fake high school diplomas or transcripts. Whatever you want. Fake colleges with 0% passing rates on teacher certification exams, it's appalling to first worlders.

In this kind of mileau, the people send in a guy like Duterte Harry. Dirty Harry was just a movie. This guy is the real thing. He is a lawyer and prosecutor, so don't be pretending he is some ignorant thug. He is a very smart thug. I say he is a wise thug.

This guy is like the Dude in the Big Lebowski. He is the man for his time. What will be important in the end is how much he can emulate Lew's transformation of Singapore. He started hard out of the gate calling for revision of the 60-40 clause in the constitution.

He drove a cab around Davao at night to see the underworld first hand. He takes commercial air. He is a people's champion like Manny Pacquiao, also from Mindanao. World boxing champion, half a dozen weight classes.
 
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