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It is also worth remembering how adamantly liberals denied the clear evidence of Biden's mental decline, even right here in this forum. When I posted a thread that discussed just some of the clear alarming signs of Biden's mental decline (e.g., his asking for a congresswoman who had died over a month earlier and to whom he had sent condolences, and his having to be guided on and off stages), a bunch of liberals dismissed the evidence, and some even claimed Biden was more lucid than Trump.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
It is also worth remembering how adamantly liberals denied the clear evidence of Biden's mental decline, even right here in this forum. When I posted a thread that discussed just some of the clear alarming signs of Biden's mental decline (e.g., his asking for a congresswoman who had died over a month earlier and to whom he had sent condolences, and his having to be guided on and off stages), a bunch of liberals dismissed the evidence, and some even claimed Biden was more lucid than Trump.
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Given Disaster Don's current unpresidential mumblings, ramblings, rantings and cack-handed administration, Biden was, and still is, more lucid than Trump.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
It is also worth remembering how adamantly liberals denied the clear evidence of Biden's mental decline, even right here in this forum. When I posted a thread that discussed just some of the clear alarming signs of Biden's mental decline (e.g., his asking for a congresswoman who had died over a month earlier and to whom he had sent condolences, and his having to be guided on and off stages), a bunch of liberals dismissed the evidence, and some even claimed Biden was more lucid than Trump.
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Confirmation bias afflicts us all. Do you think they have learned the lesson not to trust the media? Me neither.
 
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well i think a large part of the biden age denial was a distrust of the media.
 
dirtywick said:
well i think a large part of the biden age denial was a distrust of the media.
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Given that a lot of the "evidence" of Biden suffering from dementia was outright faked I grew quite a distrust of any such claims.

For example, several very prominent conservative media sources tried to use photos of Biden seeming to wander away from other world leaders, seeming to talk to the air at some leader conference before being called back. Hah-hah they crowed, dementia-boy just wandered off into the fields and we only avoided a Silver Alert because the other leaders called him back before he ended up in the woods talking to nobody, hah-hah.

But the photos that were not cropped showed that Biden wasn't wandering off into the empty fields. He was walking over to the paratrooper who had just landed as part of the whole demonstration and was talking with the man as he collected his gear after landing. Stuff like this was faked all the time by the right-wing media.

Now I won't say Biden wasn't old, and he was certainly was having memory issues. But forgetting someone died is *not* a sign of dementia or serious cognitive issues. Meanwhile Trump forgets his VP's wife's name and Mikey just glosses over it.
 
kookbreaker said:
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Now I won't say Biden wasn't old, and he was certainly was having memory issues. But forgetting someone died is *not* a sign of dementia or serious cognitive issues. Meanwhile Trump forgets his VP's wife's name and Mikey just glosses over it.
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And (yeah I know I've said it a few times before) they even ignore the evidence of cognitive decline that Trump showed in 2016. You only needed to watch interviews with him ten years before that to know he was suffering cognitive decline by the time he first ran for President, and I would say not age-related decline.
 
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And (yeah I know I've said it a few times before) they even ignore the evidence of cognitive decline that Trump showed in 2016. You only needed to watch interviews with him ten years before that to know he was suffering cognitive decline by the time he first ran for President, and I would say not age-related decline.
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But . . . but he just aced another cognitive exam and is in perfect health!

. . . beyond parody — the White House cites Trump’s “frequent victories in golf events” as evidence of his health
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Norman Alexander said:
Given Disaster Don's current unpresidential mumblings, ramblings, rantings and cack-handed administration, Biden was, and still is, more lucid than Trump.
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Darat said:
So's a dead squid.
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This was a fun game in the abstract, but now it just seems absurd.

Biden already dropped out of the race, and arguably cost his party the election, by striking literally everyone as disastrously illucid on live TV.

This "Biden is more cogent than Trump" nonsense is off-year rhetoric, not post-election-loss grandstanding flexes.

The time to reassure yourselves that Biden is more lucid than Trump was before everyone decided that wasn't true.
 
theprestige said:
This was a fun game in the abstract, but now it just seems absurd.

Biden already dropped out of the race, and arguably cost his party the election, by striking literally everyone as disastrously illucid on live TV.

This "Biden is more cogent than Trump" nonsense is off-year rhetoric, not post-election-loss grandstanding flexes.

The time to reassure yourselves that Biden is more lucid than Trump was before everyone decided that wasn't true.
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The lack of lucidity by both candidates was never a factor on your election. The party that appealed to the bigotry rampant in America was more than adequately supported by those bigots in spite of running an insane candidate. Common decency is not an American trait and is never going to win an election there.
 
Steve said:
The lack of lucidity by both candidates was never a factor on your election. The party that appealed to the bigotry rampant in America was more than adequately supported by those bigots in spite of running an insane candidate. Common decency is not an American trait and is never going to win an election there.
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It wasn't your vaunted Evil Party that removed Biden from the election due to his apparent cognitive lack.
 
theprestige said:
This was a fun game in the abstract, but now it just seems absurd.

Biden already dropped out of the race, and arguably cost his party the election, by striking literally everyone as disastrously illucid on live TV.
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Still desperately trying to shift blame away from the apparently far more cognitively challenged people who voted for Trump? The current mess isn't on Biden or Harris, its on the US voters who having full knowledge of Trump's first term, his own clear mental decline since then, and all the absurd things he claimed he would do that he has since proceeded to do and decided, 'yeah that's better than a slightly dull black woman being president.' People who backed the Republicans despite everything that should have told them what a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid idea that was are to blame and its time they owned this mess they've made.
 
theprestige said:
This was a fun game in the abstract, but now it just seems absurd.

Biden already dropped out of the race, and arguably cost his party the election, by striking literally everyone as disastrously illucid on live TV.

This "Biden is more cogent than Trump" nonsense is off-year rhetoric, not post-election-loss grandstanding flexes.

The time to reassure yourselves that Biden is more lucid than Trump was before everyone decided that wasn't true.
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I don't think anyone is claiming that Biden has a pin-sharp brain of a 20yo, or that he did not make some notable mistakes that may have cost the election.

Compared to other 80-plus seniors, he is in pretty good nick. Compared to Trump, he is streets, avenues, boulevards ahead. Trump is clearly one sick and aged unit, in body and mind.
 
Darat said:
That anyone could vote for a known rapist will always be beyond me.
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You would think it would immediately rule out 50% of potential votes. Women in the USA had a choice between a woman and a rapist and many voted for the rapist. That country is really, really messed up. It's probably for the best that they want to disengage from the rest of the world.
 
Because it's the ISF of course some contrarian will come and say "what if the vote choice was between two rapists" or "the non-rapist was threatening to unleash Armageddon" or some other stupidity. It wasn't.
 
I think it's possible that Mike thinks the Democrats should act like the Republicans are. The latter are led by one man, who they cannot question, and behind whom they must fall into lockstep, and so Mike seems to be saying that the Democrats should also display blind obedience to their Dear Leader.
 
Darat said:
That anyone could vote for a known rapist will always be beyond me.
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The lifelong-criminal, twice-impeached, insurrectionist, Covid-spreading-and-killing, marital-cheating, no-tax-paying, selfish, hateful, stupid, off-the-charts ignorant, malignantly-narcissistic, un-American, anti-American, racist, psychopath, con-man rapist, thank you very much.
 
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The lifelong-criminal, twice-impeached, insurrectionist, Covid-spreading-and-killing, marital-cheating, no-tax-paying, selfish, hateful, stupid, off-the-charts ignorant, malignantly-narcissistic, racist, psychopath, con man, rapist, thank you very much.
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I know it's probably wrong but because I dislike him, I didn't want to mention any of his better points when I mentioned he is a rapist.
 
Darat said:
I know it's probably wrong but because I dislike him, I didn't want to mention any of his better points when I mentioned he is a rapist.

(Now that I’m awake…)

Sure. But then you’ll have people saying, Well, what about Bill Clinton, huh? Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout!

There’s the guy with more than a few redeeming qualities, and then the “man” with none whatsoever. Who millions put back in charge.
 
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Darat said:
That anyone could vote for a known rapist will always be beyond me.
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But, but... Biden once put his hand on the shoulder of a young woman who was not his family.

Ok, granted, it was a girl related to Moscow Mitch, and the Turtle was standing right there at the time, and it was some sort of government-related gathering. But it must mean he is 100 times worse than the man who suggested you can grab women by the genitals if you're famous.
 
theprestige said:
Show me the post where I literally said that.

You can't, because I didn't say that. And I certainly didn't mean it. What I meant was, the Democrats were too ineffectual to prevent it. Which, given the enormity of what they failed to prevent, adds up to a lot more than "slightly" ineffectual in my book. "Colossally irrelevant" would be another way of putting it.

This claim has been belabored in the "what Democrats did wrong" thread. The consensus there seems to be that the Democrats were utterly powerless to change the outcome of the election. Now you're balking at me making the same characterization here?
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And of course holding those who voted for Trump to account is right out, no it is clearly the democrats fault not those who supported Trump.
 
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