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Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Samson said:
I tried for a neutral tone expecting the pile on.
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You failed even at that. If you actually wanted to adopt a neutral tone you should have qualified with according to Musk or the like. It's as if you're incapable of posting a single sentence that's not steaming bs.
 
If anyone takes the time to listen to Musk, you might find him thoughtful and devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin. It is not as though his enterprises operate without staff.
 
Samson said:
If anyone takes the time to listen to Musk, you might find him thoughtful and devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin. It is not as though his enterprises operate without staff.
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One might. Then again, one might find him to be a thin-skinned narcissist, devoted to bolstering his own bloated ego by claiming competence in subjects far removed from his own area of expertise.

(Just offering a counterpoint to aid with the neutrality).
 
junkshop said:
One might. Then again, one might find him to be a thin-skinned narcissist, devoted to bolstering his own bloated ego by claiming competence in subjects far removed from his own area of expertise.

(Just offering a counterpoint to aid with the neutrality).
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Did you listen to the linked talk?
I heard him with Joe Rogan and Lex Fridman also.
I must be too stupid to understand what a vacuous scoundrel he really is.
 
Samson said:
Did you listen to the linked talk?
I heard him with Joe Rogan and Lex Fridman also.
I must be too stupid to understand what a vacuous scoundrel he really is.
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You’re entitled to like who you want. But who wants to be preached to that “if you just listen to Elon Musk you too will become a disciple!”
 
I would suggest that every entity musk has gone into would be better off without his participation. And personal interference in some cases.

Tesla can make cars people would buy without the cult of personality he presents. But without tesla and the others he is but a nobody in the crowd.
 
I thought I was too far under the radar to attract bot followers, but I see the past week I've been getting a couple of new bot followers a day. I haven't even tweeted anything for months. Such a bad platform.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I thought I was too far under the radar to attract bot followers, but I see the past week I've been getting a couple of new bot followers a day. I haven't even tweeted anything for months. Such a bad platform.
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This was true before Musk bought it. I've never tweeted either, yet for years I've had about 7 followers.
 
Trausti said:
This was true before Musk bought it. I've never tweeted either, yet for years I've had about 7 followers.
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There was a short period when I got a few bot followers but then it stopped, pre-Musk. Nothing like this.

If you've never tweeted you wouldn't probably be found, but they're finding old tweets and replies, liking them and following me.
 
Samson said:
If anyone takes the time to listen to Musk, you might find him thoughtful and devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin. It is not as though his enterprises operate without staff.
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He called a very brave and competent man a paedophile because that man - who had helped save 12 children and their adult supervisor - considered Musk's so-called "plan" unworkable.

I don't need to listen to any lectures from him about anything.
 
Darat said:
He called a very brave and competent man a paedophile because that man - who had helped save 12 children and their adult supervisor - considered Musk's so-called "plan" unworkable.

I don't need to listen to any lectures from him about anything.
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So never forget, never forgive.
 
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Samson said:
You never forget, never forgive.
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Not in my remit to forgive him or not. And forgiveness has nothing to do with it, you are claiming that he is "devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin" his actions show that is a load of crap.
 
Darat said:
Not in my remit to forgive him or not. And forgiveness has nothing to do with it, you are claiming that he is "devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin" his actions show that is a load of crap.
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I edited to depersonalise but after your reply.
What I have seen is a cohort who were banned by Dorsey returning with Musk's regime. They had their voices returned. Elon Musk can make jarring mistakes that are fully explored and exposed by main stream media. Main stream media never allow cancelled traditionalists the return of their voice.
 
Samson said:
I edited to depersonalise but after your reply.
What I have seen is a cohort who were banned by Dorsey returning with Musk's regime. They had their voices returned. Elon Musk can make jarring mistakes that are fully explored and exposed by main stream media. Main stream media never allow cancelled traditionalists the return of their voice.
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You claim that he is "..devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin..", his actions show that is not true.

Do you retract your claim?
 
Darat said:
You claim that he is "..devoted to a simple model where education leads to competency regardless of origin..", his actions show that is not true.

Do you retract your claim?
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I consider currently you are generalising from the particular. I may be missing the full weight of your position.
 
Samson said:
I consider currently you are generalising from the particular. I may be missing the full weight of your position.
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My position is that your claim is false. The evidence I use to determine that is his actions, which include the one I pointed out.
 
Here's an old article about Elon's supporting free speech.
From the article:

Impersonators

Kathy Griffin, comedian (suspended on Nov. 6 and reinstated on Nov. 18)
h3h3Productions (@h3h3productions), a comedy YouTube channel
Jeph Jacques (@jephjacques), cartoonist
Chris Kluwe (@chriswarcraft), former football player
Edith Frost (@edithfrost), singer-songwriter
Rich Sommer (@richsommer), actor
@EliLillyandCo, an account impersonating Eli Lilly and Company
Political accounts

Ye (formerly Kanye West) (@kanyewest), rapper
Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club (@EFJBGC), an anti-fascist gun group advocating for LGBT gun ownership
Chad Loder (@chadloder), anti-fascist activist
CrimethInc (@crimethinc), an anarchist collective
Private jet trackers

Jack Sweeney (@JxckSweeney), the owner of the private jet-tracking accounts below.
@ElonJet
@ZuccJet
@TrumpJets
Journalists

Ryan Mac (@rmac18), reporter for the New York Times
Donie O’Sullivan (@donie), reporter for CNN
Drew Harwell (@drewharwell), reporter for the Washington Post
Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz), reporter for the Washington Post
Matt Binder (@mattbinder), reporter for Mashable
Micah Lee (@micahflee), reporter for The Intercept
Steve Herman (@W7VOA), chief national correspondent for Voice of America
Aaron Rupar (@atrupar), freelance journalist
Keith Olbermann (@keitholbermann), political commentator
Linette Lopez (@lopezlinette), reporter for Business Insider
Susan Li (@SusanLiTV), reporter for Fox Business
Tony Webster (@webster), freelance journalist
(Musk reinstated most of these accounts on Dec. 17 following a Twitter poll.)

Social media promotors

Mastodon (@joinmastodon), an account promoting Mastodon (reinstated on Dec. 17)
Paul Graham (@PaulG), a venture capitalist promoting Mastodon
 
Note that those were all accounts banned by Mr Free Speech.





gabeygoat said:
Here's an old article about Elon's supporting free speech.
From the article:

Impersonators

Kathy Griffin, comedian (suspended on Nov. 6 and reinstated on Nov. 18)
h3h3Productions (@h3h3productions), a comedy YouTube channel
Jeph Jacques (@jephjacques), cartoonist
Chris Kluwe (@chriswarcraft), former football player
Edith Frost (@edithfrost), singer-songwriter
Rich Sommer (@richsommer), actor
@EliLillyandCo, an account impersonating Eli Lilly and Company
Political accounts

Ye (formerly Kanye West) (@kanyewest), rapper
Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club (@EFJBGC), an anti-fascist gun group advocating for LGBT gun ownership
Chad Loder (@chadloder), anti-fascist activist
CrimethInc (@crimethinc), an anarchist collective
Private jet trackers

Jack Sweeney (@JxckSweeney), the owner of the private jet-tracking accounts below.
@ElonJet
@ZuccJet
@TrumpJets
Journalists

Ryan Mac (@rmac18), reporter for the New York Times
Donie O’Sullivan (@donie), reporter for CNN
Drew Harwell (@drewharwell), reporter for the Washington Post
Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz), reporter for the Washington Post
Matt Binder (@mattbinder), reporter for Mashable
Micah Lee (@micahflee), reporter for The Intercept
Steve Herman (@W7VOA), chief national correspondent for Voice of America
Aaron Rupar (@atrupar), freelance journalist
Keith Olbermann (@keitholbermann), political commentator
Linette Lopez (@lopezlinette), reporter for Business Insider
Susan Li (@SusanLiTV), reporter for Fox Business
Tony Webster (@webster), freelance journalist
(Musk reinstated most of these accounts on Dec. 17 following a Twitter poll.)

Social media promotors

Mastodon (@joinmastodon), an account promoting Mastodon (reinstated on Dec. 17)
Paul Graham (@PaulG), a venture capitalist promoting Mastodon
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Samson said:
I edited to depersonalise but after your reply.
What I have seen is a cohort who were banned by Dorsey returning with Musk's regime. They had their voices returned. Elon Musk can make jarring mistakes that are fully explored and exposed by main stream media. Main stream media never allow cancelled traditionalists the return of their voice.
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:rolleyes:
Yes. The scum, the fascists, the white supremacists, the hate purveyors, the homophobes, the racists the transphobes and similar noxious scum.
 
catsmate said:
:rolleyes:
Yes. The scum, the fascists, the white supremacists, the hate purveyors, the homophobes, the racists the transphobes and similar noxious scum.
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Are alternate views to yours allowed?
You need a more secure echo chamber.
 
Samson said:
Are alternate views to yours allowed?
You need a more secure echo chamber.
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There are real hazards to being overly tolerant with the people who are being intolerant and seeking to actually harm others, of course. Trying to shove all alternate views into one giant generalization makes for a fundamentally dishonest argument.

With that said, there's even more cause to question your argument here when it quite looks like you're strongly on the side of those who whined about not getting especially lenient treatment and free passes for their violations of policy and decency as if they were the ones actually being wronged.
 
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Aridas said:
There are real hazards to being overly tolerant with the people who are being intolerant and seeking to actually harm others, of course. Trying to shove all alternate views into one giant generalization makes for a fundamentally dishonest argument.

With that said, there's even more cause to question your argument here when it quite looks like you're strongly on the side of those who whined about not getting especially lenient treatment and free passes for their violations of policy and decency as if they were the ones actually being wronged.
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That is wrong at every level. You have no interest at all in a debate.
 
Samson said:
That is wrong at every level. You have no interest at all in a debate.
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There are no hazards with excessive tolerance to those who act to harm others? You're a fan of say, terrorists and pedophiles having free rein? You deny all truth in the 10 stages of genocide?

All of what I said is pretty solidly based, I think, even if it is delving into unpleasant territory. Your kneejerk denial is far more anti-debate than anything that I stated.
 
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Samson said:
That is wrong at every level. You have no interest at all in a debate.
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For me, the debate is this….

You clearly need some kinds of terms of service if you want a functioning platform that will attract enough people.

If you really want anyone to be able to spout anything at all within the law (as first amendment absolutists claim they want) then you can have it, but it is likely to drive people away.

For example, it is not illegal to be personally abusive, homophobic, racist, sexist and transphobic. Do you want the platform to be okay with that or even to incentivize that, or perhaps be agnostic about how much those views can be made viiral? If so, you should realize that some people will not want to be on the receiving end of that and advertisers have no obligation to pay their money to put their products alongside that. To say otherwise is to oppose the very same first amendment that Musk and his followers claim Twitter is now upholding.

Look at places like Gab and Parler. They uphold these standards and most people want nothing to do with it.

You have to accept that if people can choose how much toxicity they want in their lives then they can opt out and don’t have to submit to those who think it is fun to subject it to others.

So try to realize that I’m not shutting Musk down. I’m not shutting down people he associates with. There is a difference between that and people deciding to vote with their feet.
 
angrysoba said:
You clearly need some kinds of terms of service if you want a functioning platform that will attract enough people.

If you really want anyone to be able to spout anything at all within the law (as first amendment absolutists claim they want) then you can have it, but it is likely to drive people away.
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i agree and will add it's basically a requirement, even if just to police bots and keep illegal content off the site. the more focused your site is, the more moderation is required. can't really open up a website dedicated to basket weaving and have anything goes policy, and it's not much different on websites like reddit where there's subreddits that are dedicated to certain topics or facebook where there's groups dedicated to certain topic. if they're not allowed to moderate, then those groups cannot exist.

of course, this is written on a site that, in 2024, still uses an autocensor and nobody seems too amped up about that.

So try to realize that I’m not shutting Musk down. I’m not shutting down people he associates with. There is a difference between that and people deciding to vote with their feet.
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i also don't want to shut him down. the problems with his thoughts on content moderation and social media were obvious before he bought the site, and predictably enough he was wrong and it failed. it's called i'm gloating that i was right and they're salty the world didn't work the way he said it did. too bad.
 
Elon has upset all the flat earth and apollohoax blue tickets by tweeting that of course Apollo was real and we went to the moon.
 
Aridas said:
There are real hazards to being overly tolerant with the people who are being intolerant and seeking to actually harm others, of course. Trying to shove all alternate views into one giant generalization makes for a fundamentally dishonest argument.

With that said, there's even more cause to question your argument here when it quite looks like you're strongly on the side of those who whined about not getting especially lenient treatment and free passes for their violations of policy and decency as if they were the ones actually being wronged.
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Indeed, the Paradox of Tolerance needs more attention, especially when the hate-mongers are whining about not being facilitated to spew their bile.
 
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