Murders of 4 Idaho College Students - suspect arrested

[Stacyhs]

I called the Washington State Police back in 1998. The conversation went like this:

Me: So, uh, you guys have any missing young people from a camp ground where long-term campers stay?

Cops: Do you have a specific camp ground?

Me: No. My friend told me he killed noisy neighbors at a camp ground a while back.

Cops: Do you have a date?

Me: No. I don't think he realized what he said, and I was too scared to press for details.

[I proceed to tell them his name, his background as a Section-8 from the US Navy, other things]

Cops: Okay, well, thanks for calling. We'll look into it.

After medical discharge from the US Navy, my friend lived in Florida with his parents for a while. His last year in the navy had been spent in a mental hospital. He bought a van, which he lived out of for the next six years. He traveled around the country, mostly in the Pacific Northwest. He later got a cabin in Felton. From 2000, through 2004, he started printing his manifestoes and stuffing them inside of newspaper vending machines as inserts in places like Santa Cruz, San Jose, San Francisco, and Monterey (That I know of).

His mental decline has left him with a hairpin trigger. He has become deeply racist, and has a problem with women, and is a physical threat to both. His friends have all cut him out of their lives, but I didn't know why until I spent time with him and saw how unglued he'd become. I had to talk him down from beating up some African-American kid who was taking too long to give him change at a checkout counter. He ranted for almost forty minutes about how he felt the black kid was messing with him, and he he needed to "straighten him out". The last time I saw him was in 2002. Just bumped into him, and by then I was scared of him. The conversation was polite, he gave me one of his manifestos. He started to walk away, but spun around and marched back to get in my face. In a flash he was angry, and was ranting about how I shouldn't believe the stories about him raping a mutual friend because she's a liar, and all women lie about rape. I told him I'd never heard that, and hadn't seen her in years. The way he looked at me made my blood run cold.

I later called a friend to ask if this had happened, and explained the situation. I was told he'd raped her and another friend back in the 1990s, before he'd lost his mind in the navy. This was why everyone had distanced themselves from him.

I don't make things up. He told me he killed "some kids" at a camp ground in Washington. I reported what I knew, which wasn't much. This guy doesn't joke around, if he said killed someone, he killed someone. His manifestoes suggested he'd killed others. But the police can't do a lot with second-hand reporting from a guy on the phone, in a different state. I'll be happy to talk with them again if they ask.

It is a very strange story, but I have no reason to disbelieve you. There are all kinds of nuts out there. My late FIL was friends with Jay Sebring, one of the victims of the Manson cult murders at Sharon Tate's house back in 1969.

 

[Bob001]

Was this generally known? Kohberger's lawyer is the public defender. She was representing Xana Kernodle's mother in a drug case, and she dropped her to defend Kohberger. Mom is not pleased. She previously represented the parents of Madison Mogen in a different matter.

The mother of one of four murdered University of Idaho students blasted a public defender for abandoning her as a client and instead taking on the case of her daughter’s accused killer.

https://news.yahoo.com/mother-university-idaho-murder-victim-223700996.html?ref=upstract.com

The attorney representing Bryan Kohberger has ties to the family of a second victim of the University of Idaho murders, it has been revealed.

Public defender Anne Taylor previously represented the father and stepmother of Madison Mogen in now closed criminal cases, according to court records seen by Inside Edition Digital.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/idaho-murders-news-bryan-kohberger-110251714.html

Is this woman the only lawyer in Idaho?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Was this generally known? Kohberger's lawyer is the public defender. She was representing Xana Kernodle's mother in a drug case, and she dropped her to defend Kohberger. Mom is not pleased. She previously represented the parents of Madison Mogen in a different matter.

https://news.yahoo.com/mother-university-idaho-murder-victim-223700996.html?ref=upstract.com


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/idaho-murders-news-bryan-kohberger-110251714.html

Is this woman the only lawyer in Idaho?

Moscow has a population of about 20,000. Latah County has a population of about 40,000. It appears there are 3-4 contracted public defenders for the county. Taylor is the chief public defender for Kootenai County, which is just to the north and includes Coeur d'Alene. Taylor is one of 13 attorneys in the state approved to to be a lead defender in capitol cases and the only one in North Idaho.

 

[whoanellie]

Moscow has a population of about 20,000. Latah County has a population of about 40,000. It appears there are 3-4 contracted public defenders for the county. Taylor is the chief public defender for Kootenai County, which is just to the north and includes Coeur d'Alene. Taylor is one of 13 attorneys in the state approved to to be a lead defender in capitol cases and the only one in North Idaho.

Thanks for the information

 

[Suddenly]

Was this generally known? Kohberger's lawyer is the public defender. She was representing Xana Kernodle's mother in a drug case, and she dropped her to defend Kohberger. Mom is not pleased. She previously represented the parents of Madison Mogen in a different matter.

https://news.yahoo.com/mother-university-idaho-murder-victim-223700996.html?ref=upstract.com


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/idaho-murders-news-bryan-kohberger-110251714.html

Is this woman the only lawyer in Idaho?

As to the nuts and bolts of ruralish public defender work this is totally unremarkable. When a huge higher profile case comes up there is usually some case reassignment because there aren't enough of these super major cases to have people who routinely handle them.

So the person willing and able to take the lead on a murder will pawn off some lesser cases.

 

[Thermal]

Also interesting is that half of the victims had parents with criminal drug charges. I mean, statistically, do half of parents of college students have public defenders representing them for their drug crimes?

 

[Suddenly]

Also interesting is that half of the victims had parents with criminal drug charges. I mean, statistically, do half of parents of college students have public defenders representing them for their drug crimes?

It's not all that implausible for a small sample size. It depends on how bad the local opioid epidemic hit, etc. All sorts of kids from poor economic backgrounds have one or both parents go off the rails and they still manage to get into college. State schools especially will find that sort of background as a positive for financial aid, etc.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Also interesting is that half of the victims had parents with criminal drug charges. I mean, statistically, do half of parents of college students have public defenders representing them for their drug crimes?

How is this relevant?

 

[Stacyhs]

Also interesting is that half of the victims had parents with criminal drug charges. I mean, statistically, do half of parents of college students have public defenders representing them for their drug crimes?

Don't be silly. The ones with money hire fancy law firm lawyers.

 

[gabeygoat]

How is this relevant?

Seriously , Especially considering marijuana laws. It's like suggesting something is off because half of the parents drink beer.

 

[Suddenly]

Don't be silly. The ones with money hire fancy law firm lawyers.

The ones with money would have never been arrested.

 

[Thermal]

The ones with money would have never been arrested.

That's kind of what I meant. There are about 200,000,000 adults in the US, and about 300,000 annual drug related arrests (assuming possession, and that these parents were not manufacturers of traffickers). Not going to crunch numbers that many are repeat offenders for the sake of thumbnailing. The arrests tend to be low income people, and about 2/3 use a public defender.

So even across a 10 year span, you'd be looking at less than 1% of adults who had a drug arrest. Two of them had children going to college and in the same dorm and were murdered by the same guy and were all represented by the same lawyer. I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, just weird. It's not like, as compared above, having parents who drink beer, which is over a third of the population in any given year.

 

[Suddenly]

That's kind of what I meant. There are about 200,000,000 adults in the US, and about 300,000 annual drug related arrests (assuming possession, and that these parents were not manufacturers of traffickers). Not going to crunch numbers that many are repeat offenders for the sake of thumbnailing. The arrests tend to be low income people, and about 2/3 use a public defender.

So even across a 10 year span, you'd be looking at less than 1% of adults who had a drug arrest. Two of them had children going to college and in the same dorm and were murdered by the same guy and were all represented by the same lawyer. I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, just weird. It's not like, as compared above, having parents who drink beer, which is over a third of the population in any given year.

It's something coming from being a public defender in this sort of small rural jurisdiction I wouldn't give a second thought. That both had a parent caught up in drugs would make it more likely they would be friends given the common life experience. Or that they already knew each other, etc.

Once we are dealing with a community of <50K people these sorts of coincidences happen all the time. It's hard to find someone more than two degrees of separation away from you.

 

[JayUtah]

My mother and brother have lived in Moscow, Idaho for 25 years. My brother works in Pullman for an engineering firm. Both my mother and father were on the University of Idaho faculty, my father as a dean, until they retired. I visit them frequently and I know the area well.

Having a higher than expected rate of conviction for drug offenses doesn't surprise me. This is rural northern Idaho. There simply isn't that much else to do up there.

 

[Stacyhs]

A bit more information on Xana Kernodle's mother's drug and legal problems:

As earlier reported, Cara Kernodle was being represented by the same state defender as Kohberger, Anne Taylor.

Cara Kernodle, also known as Cara Northington, is in the Spokane County Jail in Washington, online records show. She was booked on a charge of first-degree criminal trespassing on Tuesday, and her bond was set at $250.

Details about what prompted Kernodle's arrest were not immediately clear, but records indicate it took place in Airway Heights, a city west of Spokane.

Kernodle added that she "absolutely" will fight Taylor's representation of Kohberger and will refuse to sign a waiver that would allow the attorney to continue representing him.

"I'd already signed over power of attorney so that she could help me with getting into rehab and whatnot," she said. "I don't understand how she could do this. I don't understand what happens now."

Kernodle was arrested in Idaho's Kootenai County on November 19, less than a week after the Idaho killings—and charged with two felony counts for possession of a controlled substance.

 

[Stacyhs]

Surviving Idaho roommate thought noises of the killer were partiers

A survivor of the University of Idaho killings allegedly believed the sounds of four of her housemates being brutally murdered were sounds from college partiers in her house. Dylan Mortensen (pictured left), 21, allegedly called out to her friends and roommates during the early morning hours of November 13 to quiet down. 'Calm down, you're being loud!' she reportedly yelled around 4am, in addition to 'I'm trying to sleep!'

The college student then closed and locked her door, according to one report in the New York Post. After hearing some more loud noises that night, Mortensen opened her door again and saw accused murdered Brian Kohberger (pictured), 28, but believed him to be a partygoer. Mortensen told law enforcement authorities she had seen a strange figure dressed in black walking past her toward the back exit of the house just after 4am on the night of the murders. Authorities determined the four students were killed sometime between 4 and 4:25am. Police would not be called to the off-campus residence for another eight hours.

The witness is described as standing in a 'frozen shock phase' as the man walked toward the house's back door before she locked herself in her room. New details pertaining to the grisly killings were recently revealed that confirmed Kaycee Goncalves and Madison Mogen were killed first, and after Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were killed on the second floor of the house. Chapin was murdered in the doorway of Kernodle's room and Kernodle apparently attempted to fight the killer by repeatedly grabbing the knife from suspect Kohberger. She had deep cuts on her fingers. Chapin apparently was slashed in the neck. It was recently revealed that there is a distinct possibility the judge in Kohberger's forthcoming trial may lift the gag order currently in place on the families of the victims, who could be asked to testify as witnesses.

(Daily Mail)

 

[Vixen]

(Daily Mail)

There has been a lot of social media speculation that Madison and Kaylee - who had been friends since childhood - didn't really get on with the newbies, Dylan and Bethany but that is to be expected in any shared household. Interesting that the murder was loud enough for Dylan to yell out. The takeaway here is that this is quite normal reasonable behaviour. What is curious is that Kohberger will have become aware that the person immediately below heard the fracas yet he left her unscathed and didn't even try her door handle when he came in via the kitchen, which would have been the first door he would have seen.

I think Dylan was very lucky in the circumstances.

 

[LondonJohn]

There has been a lot of social media speculation that Madison and Kaylee - who had been friends since childhood - didn't really get on with the newbies, Dylan and Bethany but that is to be expected in any shared household. Interesting that the murder was loud enough for Dylan to yell out. The takeaway here is that this is quite normal reasonable behaviour. What is curious is that Kohberger will have become aware that the person immediately below heard the fracas yet he left her unscathed and didn't even try her door handle when he came in via the kitchen, which would have been the first door he would have seen.
I think Dylan was very lucky in the circumstances.

Uhhhh..... you do know that Kohberger is currently nothing more than the alleged perpetrator. Don't you?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I'm sure we all realise he's only the alleged perp.

To stop conversation getting too clunky, how about when we talk about when Kohberger* killed those people we just use, say, an asterisk to indicate that yes, we do recognise he hasn't been found guilty or innocent yet.

*Allegedly.

 

[Stacyhs]

There has been a lot of social media speculation that Madison and Kaylee - who had been friends since childhood - didn't really get on with the newbies, Dylan and Bethany but that is to be expected in any shared household. Interesting that the murder was loud enough for Dylan to yell out. The takeaway here is that this is quite normal reasonable behaviour. What is curious is that Kohberger will have become aware that the person immediately below heard the fracas yet he left her unscathed and didn't even try her door handle when he came in via the kitchen, which would have been the first door he would have seen.

I think Dylan was very lucky in the circumstances.

I have to wonder on what evidence, if any, this speculation of them not getting along is based. I suspect this is just people doing what people do: entertaining themselves basically with gossip. Next thing you know, social media will be full of people claiming as fact that they hated each other.

I agree that Dylan assuming they were just being loud is logical. Dylan certainly wouldn't have assumed murder was taking place. That's just not what someone would assume unless they heard a gunshot or hysterical screaming. We automatically tend to think of a more rational explanation and it being a party house, Dylan's assumption makes perfect sense.

 

[Stacyhs]

Uhhhh..... you do know that Kohberger is currently nothing more than the alleged perpetrator. Don't you?

You're right. I think this points out a very common problem: people tend to automatically assume guilt when someone is charged with a crime. This affects how we see/interpret everything; we can be wearing guilt-colored glasses without even realizing it.

Another problem is that the initial information we get comes almost entirely from the police and the district attorney which is, by its very nature, going to be guilt centric. The defense is always playing catch up.

 

[Vixen]

I have to wonder on what evidence, if any, this speculation of them not getting along is based. I suspect this is just people doing what people do: entertaining themselves basically with gossip. Next thing you know, social media will be full of people claiming as fact that they hated each other.

I agree that Dylan assuming they were just being loud is logical. Dylan certainly wouldn't have assumed murder was taking place. That's just not what someone would assume unless they heard a gunshot or hysterical screaming. We automatically tend to think of a more rational explanation and it being a party house, Dylan's assumption makes perfect sense.

One of Madison's last Instagram videos shows a theatrical scene, where they are all dressed up, and towards the end, Dylan or was it Bethany bursts in at the doorway shouting, 'Liar, manipulator, ********' in normal clothing and looking really angry.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

One of Madison's last Instagram videos shows a theatrical scene, where they are all dressed up, and towards the end, Dylan or was it Bethany bursts in at the doorway shouting, 'Liar, manipulator, ********' in normal clothing and looking really angry.

Why is the identity not discernable, and how do you know it is either one?

 

[Vixen]

Why is the identity not discernable, and how do you know it is either one?

Because I am not really interested, although the exchange did come across as unpleasant.

I referred to it here, last paragraph:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13983163#post13983163

I have now become aware that the person on the sofa dressed as harlequin, is actually Dylan and the person bursting in Kaylee IIRC. <shrug>

To me it revealed tensions as calling anyone a liar, manipulator and an ******** together with the f-word preceding each epithet is more than rude, it is frankly hostile.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Any other unpleasant exchanges that have nothing to do with the murder?

 

[Stacyhs]

One of Madison's last Instagram videos shows a theatrical scene, where they are all dressed up, and towards the end, Dylan or was it Bethany bursts in at the doorway shouting, 'Liar, manipulator, ********' in normal clothing and looking really angry.

This is an excellent example of how false information is spread online. This is a link to an article and the short video. It was Dylan. Your description of the video is not accurate.

 

[Vixen]

This is an excellent example of how false information is spread online. This is a link to an article and the short video. It was Dylan. Your description of the video is not accurate.

That report is not accurate; yours is the false information. I have seen the tiktok video several times and it is not as your dubious-source article describes it. The video appears to have been removed from Twitter and Google search so I dare say someone requested its removal from public domain.

You have read a poor quality article and taken it to be true. I have seen the original video. Prima facie. Which one of us is the purveyor of fake information?

 

[Vixen]

Any other unpleasant exchanges that have nothing to do with the murder?

Sorry? Someone was speculating as to why Dylan didn't call the police for eight hours. It is a valid topic even if I can't see Dylan did anything wrong, myself. (Unless further information comes to light that gives pause to reevaluate my opinion.)

Your belief that the possible dynamics between the housemates 'have nothing to do with the murder' is your opinion but you haven't made any effort to justify why it has nothing to do with the murder. I can see all kinds of issues here.

There is video footage of a police officer at the door of 1122 King Road giving the person at the door a penalty notice for noise violation. Apparently that was the second one.

If the house was a 'party house' then it goes some way in explaining why Dylan yelled about the noise, slammed the door and didn't go upstairs to investigate. (This was just as well.)

 

[Stacyhs]

That report is not accurate; yours is the false information. I have seen the tiktok video several times and it is not as your dubious-source article describes it. The video appears to have been removed from Twitter and Google search so I dare say someone requested its removal from public domain.

You have read a poor quality article and taken it to be true. I have seen the original video. Prima facie. Which one of us is the purveyor of fake information?

Lessee here...I provided the only video available that clearly does NOT show what you described: Dylan is wearing the same costume (blue wig,gray sweatshirt) when she comes in the door as she was wearing before. She is not, as you said, " in normal clothing and looking really angry". Nor is she saying "Liar, manipulator, ********' as she comes in the door...not "bursts in"... as you also stated.

What evidence do you have that the article "is not accurate" and that it's of "poor quality" other than your claim that you saw the original video? Sorry, but I do not take your word as evidence of anything.

As for being a purveyor of fake information, have you seen any rotating cell towers lately?

 

[Vixen]

Lessee here...I provided the only video available that clearly does NOT show what you described: Dylan is wearing the same costume (blue wig,gray sweatshirt) when she comes in the door as she was wearing before. She is not, as you said, " in normal clothing and looking really angry". Nor is she saying "Liar, manipulator, ********' as she comes in the door...not "bursts in"... as you also stated.

What evidence do you have that the article "is not accurate" and that it's of "poor quality" other than your claim that you saw the original video? Sorry, but I do not take your word as evidence of anything.

As for being a purveyor of fake information, have you seen any rotating cell towers lately?

No, that video is a heavily edited collection of stills from the original video with an audio track dubbed over it. It is also cut off before the end. That is fake information because that is not Madison's video but someone trying to recreate it (and very badly, too!).

I could not care less whether you take my word or not. You were the one claiming there was no video or that it was fake news. I am not sure what your motive is in pushing whatever line you are trying to push about Dylan.

 

[Stacyhs]

No, that video is a heavily edited collection of stills from the original video with an audio track dubbed over it. It is also cut off before the end. That is fake information because that is not Madison's video but someone trying to recreate it (and very badly, too!).

So say you with no evidence. The last few seconds are not a 'still'. Since the video has been removed, there is no way to fact check your claims, which you know. However, if you go to Madison's instagram page, there are pics of Dylan.

I could not care less whether you take my word or not. You were the one claiming there was no video or that it was fake news.

I never said there was "no video" and the fact that I linked to an article and the video is evidence I did not. And you wonder why I don't take your word at face value!
I said your description was not accurate and included what was not accurate.

I am not sure what your motive is in pushing whatever line you are trying to push about Dylan.

I'm not "pushing" anything about Dylan. What a very odd thing for you to say. I'm not the one claiming she "burst" into the room screaming profanities or spreading rumors that "To me it revealed tensions as calling anyone a liar, manipulator and an ******** together with the f-word preceding each epithet is more than rude, it is frankly hostile." That would be you.

That video comes from someone named Lindsey who does seem to have an agenda: implying Dylan was involved in the murders.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I feel like I've heard this story about people sharing a house where a murder occurred not being BFFs before. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems awful familiar....

ETA: I seem to recall that it was utterly irrelevant in that case too, and served only to cast suspicion on one housemate. I don't know, perhaps I have misremembered?

You may be thinking of the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32 (unless you were being sarcastic because it is on part 32 and still going, in which case maybe someone else can appreciate the link):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363048

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

One of Madison's last Instagram videos shows a theatrical scene, where they are all dressed up, and towards the end, Dylan or was it Bethany bursts in at the doorway shouting, 'Liar, manipulator, ********' in normal clothing and looking really angry.

It is neither Dylan nor Bethany. It is an audio clip from Euphoria followed by a line from American Psycho that were juxtaposed as a common humorous meme in TikTok videos. There were many TikTok videos using that audio for various gags. This was obviously a joke about a Halloween costume.

 

[Stacyhs]

It is neither Dylan nor Bethany. It is an audio clip from Euphoria followed by a line from American Psycho that were juxtaposed as a common humorous meme in TikTok videos. There were many TikTok videos using that audio for various gags. This was obviously a joke about a Halloween costume.

Yep! Thanks for the clue.



So who's spreading misinformation now?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

I read the audio was from Euphoria, but I can't find a match for that. It appears to be from a TikTok video by rehabgirl telling off a guy. Someone added that to scenes from American Psycho because that matches a response to the Patrick Bateman character. Then someone added an appropriate line from the movie of "Don't wear that outfit again." That became a popular TikTok meme. Madison's video is playing around with that meme for Halloween because because it applies to wearing an outfit. Just typical college kids TikTok stuff incorporating popular culture and memes with pictures and video from their own lives.

 

[Stacyhs]

I read the audio was from Euphoria, but I can't find a match for that. It appears to be from a TikTok video by rehabgirl telling off a guy. Someone added that to scenes from American Psycho because that matches a response to the Patrick Bateman character. Then someone added an appropriate line from the movie of "Don't wear that outfit again." That became a popular TikTok meme. Madison's video is playing around with that meme for Halloween because because it applies to wearing an outfit. Just typical college kids TikTok stuff incorporating popular culture and memes with pictures and video from their own lives.

So much ado about nothing after all. Like I said originally:

"I have to wonder on what evidence, if any, this speculation of them not getting along is based. I suspect this is just people doing what people do: entertaining themselves basically with gossip. Next thing you know, social media will be full of people claiming as fact that they hated each other."

 

[junkshop]

You may be thinking of the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 32 (unless you were being sarcastic because it is on part 32 and still going, in which case maybe someone else can appreciate the link):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363048

ETA: Nevermind, it got shunted

 

[Vixen]

It is neither Dylan nor Bethany. It is an audio clip from Euphoria followed by a line from American Psycho that were juxtaposed as a common humorous meme in TikTok videos. There were many TikTok videos using that audio for various gags. This was obviously a joke about a Halloween costume.

The clip Stacyhs showed yesterday is NOT the one I was originally referring to. The video I referred to was Madison Mogen's ACTUAL last tiktok video, not the heavily-edited, heavily-cut and overdubbed with an audiotrack by a random person on SM.

In the original video, I didn't recognise Dylan at the time as being the person sitting on the sofa (with blue hair). The person who comes in at the end (which I think may have been Kaylee) does not appear in Stacyhs' clip shouting aforementioned said words. I get that it is a bunch of students messing about and it is obviously theatre. However, the bit at the end was strange and I can understand people remarking on it, especially given it was the last video Madison put up and just two weeks before the murder.

You will note Kaylee (or whichever of the housemates it was) does not appear in Stacyhs' video CLIP which tells you why she can't understand the speculation.

Incidentally, if the video is now unavailable on the worldwide web, twitter, tiktok and google then maybe that is a clue that it is under the gagging order issued by the court or some kind of legal order regarding privacy.

The fact the poor quality dubbed-over abbreviated one is still there, tells you it is considered not subject to any legal restriction and OK to circulate.

However, it is NOT an authentic version of Madison Mogen's last tiktok video.

 

[Vixen]

So much ado about nothing after all. Like I said originally:

"I have to wonder on what evidence, if any, this speculation of them not getting along is based. I suspect this is just people doing what people do: entertaining themselves basically with gossip. Next thing you know, social media will be full of people claiming as fact that they hated each other."

But surely, you are the one who has sought out a trashy reddit-style article to highlight said 'gossip'. The best thing to do is ignore the tarot readers, the psychics and the random gossipers and then there won't be a problem.

Why bother repeating them here?

ETA: I looked up your website MEAWW and it appears to be based in India.

Meaww is humbled to be one of the biggest entertainment websites based in India catering to a global audience. The company produces universal and creative content backed by a host of proprietary softwares which allows the company to drive a high volume of traffic from all over the world (United States being the number one traffic source) and stands as a perfect blend of great content and sound technology.

https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-...-top-500-websites-in-the-world-585790691.html

Take it with a healthy pinch of salt.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

The clip Stacyhs showed yesterday is NOT the one I was originally referring to. The video I referred to was Madison Mogen's ACTUAL last tiktok video, not the heavily-edited, heavily-cut and overdubbed with an audiotrack by a random person on SM.

In the original video, I didn't recognise Dylan at the time as being the person sitting on the sofa (with blue hair). The person who comes in at the end (which I think may have been Kaylee) does not appear in Stacyhs' clip shouting aforementioned said words. I get that it is a bunch of students messing about and it is obviously theatre. However, the bit at the end was strange and I can understand people remarking on it, especially given it was the last video Madison put up and just two weeks before the murder.

You will note Kaylee (or whichever of the housemates it was) does not appear in Stacyhs' video CLIP which tells you why she can't understand the speculation.

Incidentally, if the video is now unavailable on the worldwide web, twitter, tiktok and google then maybe that is a clue that it is under the gagging order issued by the court or some kind of legal order regarding privacy.

The fact the poor quality dubbed-over abbreviated one is still there, tells you it is considered not subject to any legal restriction and OK to circulate.

However, it is NOT an authentic version of Madison Mogen's last tiktok video.

Whatever video you saw or thought you saw is fake. Madison's TikTok account is still active and public. You can view it here: https://www.tiktok.com/@maddiemogen8?lang=en

That is her account. It shows all the original videos that she posted. It shows the dates the videos were posted. It has some old comments from her friends, some of whom posted videos with her on their channels. It shows the last video posted 2022-10-30. It is the same video shown in the previous Twitter link. It even has a comment from Dylan posted the same day saying "Absolutely not" obviously in reference to the line in the video "Don't wear that outfit again."