Murders of 4 Idaho College Students - suspect arrested

Whatever video you saw or thought you saw is fake. Madison's TikTok account is still active and public. You can view it here: https://www.tiktok.com/@maddiemogen8?lang=en

That is her account. It shows all the original videos that she posted. It shows the dates the videos were posted. It has some old comments from her friends, some of whom posted videos with her on their channels. It shows the last video posted 2022-10-30. It is the same video shown in the previous Twitter link. It even has a comment from Dylan posted the same day saying "Absolutely not" obviously in reference to the line in the video "Don't wear that outfit again."

The one posted by Stacyhs looks very much like a so-called 'short', similar to the type of 'short' on youtube. As I am loath to go on to tiktok as a matter of principle I'll take your word for it there is no longer a video showing the end clip as I described. Alternatively, is it possible that someone with access to her account has edited it out? In any case, to me this is a quite trivial issue and thus, I am not going to pursue it further, as I am sure it will all be clarified at some near point in the future.
 
Whatever video you saw or thought you saw is fake. Madison's TikTok account is still active and public. You can view it here: https://www.tiktok.com/@maddiemogen8?lang=en

That is her account. It shows all the original videos that she posted. It shows the dates the videos were posted. It has some old comments from her friends, some of whom posted videos with her on their channels. It shows the last video posted 2022-10-30. It is the same video shown in the previous Twitter link. It even has a comment from Dylan posted the same day saying "Absolutely not" obviously in reference to the line in the video "Don't wear that outfit again."

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
The one posted by Stacyhs looks very much like a so-called 'short', similar to the type of 'short' on youtube. As I am loath to go on to tiktok as a matter of principle I'll take your word for it there is no longer a video showing the end clip as I described. Alternatively, is it possible that someone with access to her account has edited it out? In any case, to me this is a quite trivial issue and thus, I am not going to pursue it further, as I am sure it will all be clarified at some near point in the future.


Why "as a matter of principle"?

What's so unprincipled/unsavoury/dangerous about TikTok, compared with (say) YouTube, Instagram, Twitter or Facebook?
 
But surely, you are the one who has sought out a trashy reddit-style article to highlight said 'gossip'. The best thing to do is ignore the tarot readers, the psychics and the random gossipers and then there won't be a problem.

Why bother repeating them here?

This literally did make me laugh. The old transparent, desperate and so predictable "discredit the source" tactic by presenting a completely false description of it and attempting to connect it to things totally unrelated. :dig:

ETA: I looked up your website MEAWW and it appears to be based in India.

https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-...-top-500-websites-in-the-world-585790691.html

Take it with a healthy pinch of salt.

And? As DevilsAdvocate has proved, that EXACT SAME VIDEO is the one posted on Megan's TikTok account and NOT the one you claim to have seen several times.
 
The one posted by Stacyhs looks very much like a so-called 'short', similar to the type of 'short' on youtube.

It's the EXACT SAME VIDEO posted on Megan's own TikTok account.

As I am loath to go on to tiktok as a matter of principle I'll take your word for it there is no longer a video showing the end clip as I described.


I'll give you points for slipping that one in.:rolleyes:


Alternatively, is it possible that someone with access to her account has edited it out?

No. They'd have deleted the whole thing.

In any case, to me this is a quite trivial issue and thus, I am not going to pursue it further, as I am sure it will all be clarified at some near point in the future.

Or......maybe you've just been proved wrong.
 
House to be demolished.
The house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year will be razed in the coming months after the owner gave the residence to the university for free, the school’s president said Friday, though what will become of the lot has yet to be decided.

“This is a healing step and removes the physical structure where the crime that shook our community was committed,” University of Idaho President Scott Green said in a statement. “Demolition also removes efforts to further sensationalize the crime scene.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ommentID=fa5e565f-0c32-4310-b580-c27eb2e33669
 
They really had no other choice. Who would want to live there after 4 horrific murders? Sell the lot.

Lizzie Borden's house does a regular business doing various things associated with the famous murders. There's probably some enterprising jerk willing to do the same here. Good for the university's decision to demolish it.
 
An anti environmental knee jerk reaction.
People kill people, houses do not.

Yeah. People still live in Berkeley Castle, and a king was murdered there in 1327!

Trivia: parts of its keep and outer bailey were damaged as part of the Civil War in 1645, and the family has been forbidden by law ever since from repairing it.
 
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Yeah. People still live in Berkeley Castle, and a king was murdered there in 1327!

Trivia: parts of its keep and outer bailey were damaged as part of the Civil War in 1645, and the family has been forbidden by law ever since from repairing it.

Yeah, but being haunted by a KING is so much more fashionable!

Bit of trivia likely of interest to no one of me: Edward II, who was murdered in Berkeley Castle in 1327, is a direct ancestor of mine according to Burke's Peerage.
 
Yeah. People still live in Berkeley Castle, and a king was murdered there in 1327!

Trivia: parts of its keep and outer bailey were damaged as part of the Civil War in 1645, and the family has been forbidden by law ever since from repairing it.

Could that really be true? If you don't repair a damaged building it usually gets worse.
 
They really had no other choice. Who would want to live there after 4 horrific murders? Sell the lot.

It's the natural order of things, anyway.

I've never been to that town but every other college town I've been in the University is buying and knocking down older student housing left and right.
 
Just released today is the record of some things taken from Kohberger's parents' home when he was arrested: some black clothing, size 13 Nike shoes, four medical-style gloves, and a flashlight.

Mortensen, the surviving student, said the intruder she saw was wearing all black.
A latent shoeprint in the house could connect the size 13 Nike shoe to Kohberger. That is not a common shoe size; I know as my husband wears a 12.5-13 and finding him shoes is not always easy as a 12 is often the largest size a store will carry.
 
Could that really be true? If you don't repair a damaged building it usually gets worse.

I did a search for the law itself but couldn't find it. It's possible it has been interpreted in the almost 400 years it's been on the books that they can't make repairs to the extent that the damaged areas are serviceable again: they can't close up the breaches, but they can stabilize the structure so it doesn't fall down.
 
List of stuff seized at Kohberger's parents' house released.
A knife, .40-caliber pistol, empty magazines and a pocket knife were found at the family home where the suspect in the Idaho student killings was arrested, documents released Tuesday and Thursday show.

Police also took multiple computers and hard drives, notes and swabs typically used to collect DNA from a person’s cheek when they arrested Bryan Kohberger at his parents’ Pennsylvania home Dec. 30.

In addition, authorities found a shovel, gloves and goggles in Kohberger’s 2015 white Hyundai Elantra and took parts of the car, including the headrests, seat belt and brake and gas pedals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/02/bryan-kohberger-warrant/
 
Just released today is the record of some things taken from Kohberger's parents' home when he was arrested: some black clothing, size 13 Nike shoes, four medical-style gloves, and a flashlight.

Mortensen, the surviving student, said the intruder she saw was wearing all black.
A latent shoeprint in the house could connect the size 13 Nike shoe to Kohberger. That is not a common shoe size; I know as my husband wears a 12.5-13 and finding him shoes is not always easy as a 12 is often the largest size a store will carry.
I wonder what people would make of the contents of backpack?
 
New info regarding Kohberger's actions on day of his arrest:

Now, Monroe County First Assistant Michael Mancuso has revealed details about Kohberger's behavior on the night he was arrested.

He "was found awake in the kitchen area dressed in shorts and a shirt a wearing latex medical type gloves and apparently was taking his personal trash and putting it into a separate zip lock baggies," Mancuso said, according to BRCTV13.

That discovery, Mancuso said, may indicate why investigators only recovered DNA from Kohberger's family members, and not him, after taking trash from outside the family home.
 
Bethany Funke, one of the surviving roommates, will be interviewed by Kohberger's defense team which claims she has exculpatory information. Funke denies this.
 
Bethany Funke, one of the surviving roommates, will be interviewed by Kohberger's defense team which claims she has exculpatory information. Funke denies this.

Hope springs eternal and billable hours accumulate.
 
Bethany Funke, one of the surviving roommates, will be interviewed by Kohberger's defense team which claims she has exculpatory information. Funke denies this.
That is creepy behavior, a murderer like Kohbuggar wanting to either look at his victims or something symbolic of the murders so he can relive them.

Hope springs eternal and billable hours accumulate.
Unfortunately that's taxpayer money. I doubt he has a private attorney.
 
That is creepy behavior, a murderer like Kohbuggar wanting to either look at his victims or something symbolic of the murders so he can relive them.
Unfortunately that's taxpayer money. I doubt he has a private attorney.

Kohberger won't be there. This is an interview with his defense lawyers who will go to her in Nevada.

One of two housemates who were in an off-campus residence when four University of Idaho students were slain in November won't have to attend a coming hearing for murder suspect Bryan Kohberger after they asked a judge to reject a subpoena by his defense lawyer.

Instead, Bethany Funke agreed to an interview with Kohberger's counsel in Reno, Nevada, where she is from, according to court documents filed Wednesday in a district court in Washoe County.

Funke's lawyer filed a motion to quash a subpoena that would have required her to appear in court in Latah County, Idaho, in late June and potentially for the duration of a trial against Kohberger, who was arrested in Pennsylvania on Dec. 30, weeks after the Nov. 13 slayings. Kohberger, 28, was charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary.
 
Kohberger won't be there. This is an interview with his defense lawyers who will go to her in Nevada.
Doesn't mean Kohlbuggar didn't want his public defenders to let him in.

Anyway, what else does the defense hope to gain by deposing the room-mate(s) who escaped being murdered?
 
Doesn't mean Kohlbuggar didn't want his public defenders to let him in.

True. But it doesn't mean he did, either.

Anyway, what else does the defense hope to gain by deposing the room-mate(s) who escaped being murdered?

As I said, "Kohberger's defense team claims she has exculpatory information." They have not disclosed what they believe that is to the public.
 
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As I said, "Kohberger's defense team claims she has exculpatory information." They have not disclosed what they believe that is to the public.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to question that claim. If the roommate were going to say it wasn't Kohlbuggar she saw in the house I think we'd know that by now. The defense would want to be amplifying that claim.
 
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to question that claim. If the roommate were going to say it wasn't Kohlbuggar she saw in the house I think we'd know that by now. The defense would want to be amplifying that claim.

Well, we have heard hardly anything from Bethany Funke but have heard plenty of the witness statement of Dylan (description of man that night and various noises). IIRC quite a few bits of Funke's were redacted. In any case, as the burden of proof is on the state (for the victims) to prove guilt and the defendant is entitled to know what the prosecutor's probable cause evidence is, then Ann Taylor for Kohberger will have seen all of the evidence pertaining to Funke. Funke's and Mortenson's statements will have been taken as of the time, several weeks before Kohberger was even arrested. I am guessing that Funke's differs from Mortenson's in one respect or more. There is an unsubstantiated claim that Bethany said she saw a naked man (whether at the time or another night), which could give Taylor the opportunity to argue there is another/different perpetrator. Remember, the defence role will be to cast as much doubt as possible on the prosecutor's claim of probable cause.

Taylor has a steep hill ahead of her but she will be trying every trick in the book at every stage. The first stage is to try to get the probable cause claim dismissed at the preliminary hearing and get Kohberger freed. That is never going to happen but she will be giving it a try. Problem is, if exculpatory evidence is hidden from the defence or the court, then any eventual verdict can be overturned as unsafe (see Brady vs Maryland, which set the precedent that the prosecution MUST reveal any evidence that works in the defendant's favour).

I can't understand what is to be gained by the defence 'interviewing' Funke. should it not be a dpeosition, and even then , should that not be by a court order, rather than via the clerk of the court who signed off the subpoena for Funke to attend Idaho prehearing.

It all seems very odd to me why Funke should be appeasing the defence, when she might just as well turn up for the prehearing and be heard by all three parties (the prosecutor [for each of the victims], the court and the defence).


Early reports said Funke found the bodies, and I recall reading that Ethan Chaplin had been found in the kitchen area, when later we discovered it was actually in his bed. There is something not being revealed about what happened with Funke that night and that morning. All we know is she called her friends and her boyfriend checked upstairs whilst she was out cold in a faint outside (the boyfriend told the operator she was 'unconscious'). Of course the shock would have been enough to make anyone pass out.

Personally, IMV it is a straightforward one-man murder case.
 
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to question that claim.

Of course it doesn't. It's the defense's job to sow seeds of doubt and it's a rare defense team that doesn't make all kinds of claims...some true and some hot air. It will all come out in the trial.

If the roommate were going to say it wasn't Kohlbuggar she saw in the house I think we'd know that by now. The defense would want to be amplifying that claim.

Agreed. Besides, I don't think Funke ever said she saw the killer. That was Dylan Mortensen.
Former FBI agent, Jennifer Coffindaffer previously told Newsweek that the defense team's attempt to have Funke testify in the preliminary hearing was likely in hopes that she would "offset" comments about Kohberger that were previously made by Mortensen.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-bethany-funke-told-police-bryan-kohberger-idaho-murder-case-1797414
 
It sounds like the defence are being reasonable. They could presumably insist a witness attends court and is subject to cross examination. It would absolutely be the duty of the defence to interview key witnesses, either by deposition or by cross examination. I do not think the defence can rely on the police to have asked exculpatory questions e.g. was the person you saw right or left handed (not meant to be a specific question to this case). Doing this by deposition so the witness does not have to travel seems reasonable behaviour.
 
So there is to be a motion hearing 25 May, which could be to do with anything procedural.

The prehearing re 'probable cause' for Kohberger has been changed from 26 June - 30 June (Monday to Friday) to commence instead on 30 June, a Friday. Most curious. Seems odd to re-list it ahead of a weekend, for a five day hearing.
 
It sounds like the defence are being reasonable. They could presumably insist a witness attends court and is subject to cross examination. It would absolutely be the duty of the defence to interview key witnesses, either by deposition or by cross examination. I do not think the defence can rely on the police to have asked exculpatory questions e.g. was the person you saw right or left handed (not meant to be a specific question to this case). Doing this by deposition so the witness does not have to travel seems reasonable behaviour.

I agree that the defense is being reasonable. No way can a competent defense just assume the prosecution will be open about evidence that could possibly be exculpatory. There have been too many cases of exculpatory/defendant favorable evidence being deliberately hidden. I can think of one case where negative TMB tests were not revealed which disproved alleged damning evidence against the defendant.
According to Attorney Damon Cheronis:

Despite their obligation to reveal exculpatory evidence, many prosecutors hide evidence that does not fit the narrative that they have established. There have been cases where prosecutors find new evidence near the end of a trial but choose not to reveal it so that they can “win.” One of the reasons prosecutors may not readily reveal evidence is that they do not face any punishment for Brady violations. Even if a mistrial is declared and a convict is exonerated, nothing will happen to the prosecutor who hid the evidence.
 
Kohberger has been indicted and will be arraigned and likely enter a plea tomorrow, May 22. Last week a grand jury ruled that the case should go to trial thereby cancelling the preliminary hearing that was scheduled for June 26.
 

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