Miscellaneous Trump Family Scandals

[TellyKNeasuss]

The Big 5 Trump trials are getting a lot of discussion, but I thought that we should have a thread for other legal issues that the Trumps are encountering.

Such as:

- Trump is being sued by several people who participated in a multi-level marketing program for video phones that was run by a firm named ACN after he promoted the company on Celebrity Apprentice and elsewhere. Without mentioning that he was being paid millions of dollars to promote ACN. The trial begins on January 29.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-face-civil-trial-duping-072346584.html

- Democrats released information showing that while president Trump's companies did nearly $8 million in business with foreign governments, which would appear to violate the emoluments clause.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...oreign-governments-president-repor-rcna132276

- Donald Trump, Jr. is on the list of potential defendants in the bankruptcy trial of a Chinese financier named Guo Wengui (who has bankrolled Steve Bannon). Peter Navarro is also on the list.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/court.... and ex,of bilking anti-communist dissidents.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Business as usual in Trump world.

 

[dirtywick]

here's a question no one can answer: what did jared kushner get $2B from the saudis for?

 

[Darat]

here's a question no one can answer: what did jared kushner get $2B from the Saudis for?

Thought we knew that one - for favours done?

 

[Darat]

Business as usual in Trump world.

Yep - strangely I've just used that phrase in another thread about Trump's "business as usual" practices and mentioned the mobile phone case. As I said in that thread when his first campaigned to become president he was being sued by customers of "Trump University".

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I would like to know what happened with Trump's Deutsche Bank loans with Justin Kennedy, Roberts becoming Chief Justice, and Kennedy quiting.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

- Trump is being sued by several people who participated in a multi-level marketing program for video phones that was run by a firm named ACN after he promoted the company on Celebrity Apprentice and elsewhere. Without mentioning that he was being paid millions of dollars to promote ACN. The trial begins on January 29.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-face-civil-trial-duping-072346584.html

Alas, this suit was dismissed on the grounds that it was an issue for state courts rather than a federal court. The plaintiffs are free to file lawsuits in their home states.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/poli...lawsuit-against-trump-is-dismissed/index.html

 

[JayUtah]

Alas, this suit was dismissed on the grounds that it was an issue for state courts rather than a federal court. The plaintiffs are free to file lawsuits in their home states.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/poli...lawsuit-against-trump-is-dismissed/index.html

I think that's what inevitably happens after you fail to certify the class. The claim for federal jurisdiction is based on the diversity jurisdiction inherent to class-action suits. Buried in the fine print of the decision is the statement that the plaintiffs didn't oppose the motion to separate the suits. But yeah, why did it take so long? Discovery happened and everything.

 

[Segnosaur]

I think that's what inevitably happens after you fail to certify the class. The claim for federal jurisdiction is based on the diversity jurisdiction inherent to class-action suits. Buried in the fine print of the decision is the statement that the plaintiffs didn't oppose the motion to separate the suits. But yeah, why did it take so long? Discovery happened and everything.

Question: if they refile at the state level, what happens to the previous round of discovery? Does everything go back to square one? Do they assume "discovery is done" and can start the trial earlier? Something in the middle? (i.e. still need to do some for the state level case but can use the previous discovery as a starting point.)

 

[JayUtah]

Question: if they refile at the state level, what happens to the previous round of discovery? Does everything go back to square one? Do they assume "discovery is done" and can start the trial earlier? Something in the middle? (i.e. still need to do some for the state level case but can use the previous discovery as a starting point.)

Probably somewhere in the middle. The problem is that discovery is governed by the applicable rules of evidence and the discovery orders of the previous judge. At the federal level, that's the Federal Rules of Evidence. If each defendant refiles in the respective state, the state's rules of evidence apply, and each judge may have different ideas.

So perhaps the best way to project this is to say that the grunt work of discovery has been accomplished, but the legal work may have to be done again. This means that in each state case, the discovery materials in hand may have to be returned, or new discovery may need to happen, depending on how a state judge rules. But in practice, state rules of evidence aren't very different from the federal rules. When you take Evidence in law school, you learn the federal rules, and that's what's on the bar exam. You are meant to pick up the state rules on your own as you go into practice.