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[Merged]Does Randi Needs to Apologize or What?

The Professor said:
If he didn't know he should have said I DON'T KNOW ...
Drink the Kool-Aid! :)
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No, his answer to you was accurate. And it was far more polite than you deserve.

I've spent a couple of days reading and re-reading the posted correspondence with JREF. Would you please indicate in your application where you have suggested anything that could be tested, where anything could be considered a hit under objective, observable conditions.

Until you've done that, (and this has been made clear to you from the start), I think if anyone is owed an apology, it's James Randi. And quite frankly, I think you're extremely arrogant and rude to expect Randi to drop everything until you've even attempted to do that.

If anyone's a liar, you are.
 
Mr. Koenig,
Please steer me in the right direction as I'm very confused. If you haven't submitted an application that has been approved, then you haven't submitted an application--just as Mr. Randi said at that conference. He was obviously telling the truth at that time and unless something has happened behind the scenes I'm unaware of, is still a true statement to this day.
Also, please don't tell me to "drink the Kool-Aid" (whatever that means). I'm trying hard to live healthy and Kool-Aid has too much sugar in it for me. Thanks
Professor Wag...
 
Folks, please keep it civil, and keep this thread on topic - it isn't about the challenge.
ETA: To clarify - it's not about the specifics of the claim, which are under discussion in the MDC thread.
Thank you.
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Excuse me, Chill, but Pogo's been quite civil. The Professor is the one accusing Randi of being a liar, when there's clearly ZERO evidence of that.

1.) RemieV in her posted replies to Professor made it clear his application was unacceptable. She made it clear WHY it was unacceptable. She also made it plain that Randi would not be involved until it was.

2.) The basic rules for the Challenge make it clear that Randi won't be involved until an acceptable application has been made. Just doing some basic math as to how many applications have been received by JREF will reveal that if it were just Randi, he'd have no time to do much of anything else. It would seem to me, given the painstaking efforts to establish clarity in the rules to PREVENT this sort of thing, that once it was clear the Professor had no intention of complying with the rules for the challenge, his application should have been round-filed. Period.

I'm not a professional magician, I'm not a scientist. I'm a truck driver. But I could read the rules and this -- person's -- application, and realize IT WASN'T GOING TO FLY! Trying to accuse James Randi of lying is slanderous, especially when you realize that it's been made clear that his application was lacking, and that Randi wouldn't be informed of it until it was acceptable under the rules.

3.) Since the failure of his application, The Professor has embarked on an ill-advised effort to slander Randi. This either indicates malice or brain damage. Sorry. Pogo's question (which has since been deleted) is more than reasonable. Clearly, if The Professor is lacking something upstairs, he should have taken the advice in the FAQ regarding the Challenge to pay a visit to his family doctor and make sure he was in his right mind. No one wants to see anyone humiliated, and if The Professor is truly deluded, it's an act of cruelty to see him proceed with the Challenge.

If anything, I think Pogo's response is overdue.
 
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I don't consider that civil, and you know similar comments are regularly moderated throughout the forum.
The Professor's challenge is still ongoing. It has not, as you claim, failed.

The challenge is being discussed in the appropriate place, and should not be discussed here.

We all need to support the JREF in enabling this test to take place. That means maintaining the high road, being the height of civility and calm, and not responding emotionally to any flame baiting.

I understand how difficult many of you are finding this current situation. So are the mods. But, the JREF are aware of all of this, and we are acting as best we can under their guidance.

We should not provoke, insult, or bully. I know this is tough, but I appreciate the participation of all of you in these efforts as much as possible.

Apart from this response that I think the posters in this thread need to see, any further moderation issues should be discussed in forum mgt.
 
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Please call the DragonCon people for the full story before you say something you may regret as those guys did about the Counterfeiting( Now with egg on their faces) :)

Email: dragoncon@dragoncon.org

Telephone: 770-909-0115
(M-F 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. EST)

FAX: 770-909-0112

Postal Mail: Dragon*Con
PO Box 16459
Atlanta, GA 30321-0459
 
The Professor said:
Please call the DragonCon people for the full story before you say something you may regret as those guys did about the Counterfeiting( Now with egg on their faces) :)
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"Those guys about the counterfeiting"? Which guys said what to end up with egg on their faces?

Did the Secret Service show up to haul James Randi off to jail and I missed it?
 
I think Dave is still annoyed that Phenomenon didn't choose him for the show, so he's looking for "fame" somewhere else.. Like on YouTube videos (some of his videos are there somewhere, among millions of other videos by little kids), on Randi's forum (a place known for attracting hundreds of trolls and attention seekers throughout the years, not really good for promotion), and an unknown internet Podcast (heard by 30 people).

If he's lucky enough, maybe next time he will try to approve his chances at fame by getting himself a new Myspace page!
 
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I do not think anyone ended up with egg on their face over the video. The forum members (and others) showed that no crime was committed so they do not have egg on their face. James Randi did nothing wrong so he does not have egg on his face. Jim is doing things for entertainment purposes only so he did not have egg on his face, so who else is left?
 
Roadtoad said:
...if a busted-up mutt trucker can figure out the rules which have been established from the time the prize was $1,000, I'd think someone like "Professor" Dave ought to be able to, particularly since the prize is now considerably larger.
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Classic. Roadtoad, you are the bestest! Have you written a book? I'd love to read one by you.
 
The Professor said:
Please call the DragonCon people for the full story before you say something you may regret as those guys did about the Counterfeiting( Now with egg on their faces) :)

Email: dragoncon@dragoncon.org

Telephone: 770-909-0115
(M-F 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. EST)

FAX: 770-909-0112

Postal Mail: Dragon*Con
PO Box 16459
Atlanta, GA 30321-0459
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It was stated by a JREF member in the other thread that no-one had contacted Dragon Con-you and Callahan are obsessed with that convention-maybe you and him can share the costs and go next year?!

Even the folks on Lake Parker Drive know DragonCon is above reproach.
 
Jeff Wagg said:
Randi was unaware of the truth. He couldn't omit it. Also, I believe it's possible that Randi has Koenig and Callahan mixed up, and I can see why.
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I often wonder if they are one and the same person.Totally unoriginal however you look at it.
 
I object.

More and more, this is becoming a slanderous assault on the character of James Randi.

I respectfully request a moderator review this thread and others.
 
If Randi is Mixed Up, then I guess he needs to apologize as I've suggested.

If Randi, Simply Lied, then I guess it's time he Apologized as suggested.

If Randi was Misinformed or just Ignorant of the truth, then I guess he needs to apologize as suggested.

If Randi is STILL insisting that I HAVEN"T APPLIED then he needs to apologize.... Right Away :) (Or get some counseling :))

What you don't know but I will now reveal is that Itricks was notified of this video and sent a link BEFORE Randi called it all a "Pack of Lies" on the Podcast ... :)

He played right into it!

Will you follow blindly?
 
The Professor said:
If Randi is Mixed Up, then I guess he needs to apologize as I've suggested.

If Randi, Simply Lied, then I guess it's time he Apologized as suggested.

If Randi was Misinformed or just Ignorant of the truth, then I guess he needs to apologize as suggested.

If Randi is STILL insisting that I HAVEN"T APPLIED then he needs to apologize.... Right Away :) (Or get some counseling :))

What you don't know but I will now reveal is that Itricks was notified of this video and sent a link BEFORE Randi called it all a "Pack of Lies" on the Podcast ... :)

He played right into it!

Will you follow blindly?
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Make a sentence of the following words:

Protocol.Have.One.Yet.Got.You.?

That's all were interested in hearing. :)
 
The Professor said:
If Randi is Mixed Up, then I guess he needs to apologize as I've suggested.

If Randi, Simply Lied, then I guess it's time he Apologized as suggested.

If Randi was Misinformed or just Ignorant of the truth, then I guess he needs to apologize as suggested.

If Randi is STILL insisting that I HAVEN"T APPLIED then he needs to apologize.... Right Away :) (Or get some counseling :))

What you don't know but I will now reveal is that Itricks was notified of this video and sent a link BEFORE Randi called it all a "Pack of Lies" on the Podcast ... :)

He played right into it!

Will you follow blindly?
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Actually, Randi doesn't have to do any of those things. You don't have to have anything to do with Randi, if you are dissatisfied with the way he has responded to you.

Here's a shocking notion: you don't have to prove anything to Randi! You can continue to make your claims (although here's a hint: you might want to start by actually making a claim), and it doesn't matter whether or not Randi believes you or even wants to talk to you. Randi is not an all knowing, final authority on whatever abilities you may or may not have and if he won't hear you out, maybe someone else will.

Or, you can continue to whine and call Randi a liar, which is what I suspect you'll end up doing. Good luck to you, either way.
 
Azrael 5 said:
Make a sentence of the following words:

Protocol.Have.One.Yet.Got.You.?

That's all were interested in hearing. :)
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This applicant will never produce an acceptable protocol. Not this year. Not next year. Not ever.
 
Pogo said:
This applicant will never produce an acceptable protocol. Not this year. Not next year. Not ever.
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I'm shocked at your pessimism.;)

Tell us it ain't so Dave F Koenig.[In the appropiate thread]:)
 
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The Professor said:
What you don't know but I will now reveal is that Itricks was notified of this video and sent a link BEFORE Randi called it all a "Pack of Lies" on the Podcast ... :)
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As I have pointed out before [1], [2], when Mr. Randi used the phrase, "pack of lies", he was not talking about you, or any specific person. In context, he was talking in general terms about people claiming to be rejected for the MDC when they have never filed an application.
 
I did a search on Itricks website and lo and behold no reference to Slim King, The Professor or DragonCon.
Plenty of ref to how great Randi is though ;)
 
Further circumvention of the claim thread's moderation will result in this thread being placed on moderated status.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
The Professor said:
If Randi is Mixed Up, then I guess he needs to apologize as I've suggested.

If Randi, Simply Lied, then I guess it's time he Apologized as suggested.

If Randi was Misinformed or just Ignorant of the truth, then I guess he needs to apologize as suggested.

If Randi is STILL insisting that I HAVEN"T APPLIED then he needs to apologize.... Right Away :) (Or get some counseling :))

What you don't know but I will now reveal is that Itricks was notified of this video and sent a link BEFORE Randi called it all a "Pack of Lies" on the Podcast ... :)

He played right into it!

Will you follow blindly?
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No one will even try to answer this question.
Randi needs to apologize.

Randi was corrected by Alison Michelle Smith and NOW by ME!

Even Jeff Wagg thinks he is mistaken! And Jeff may be right!
Bottom line.... Randi is wrong!

And even more disturbing ... does he STILL calim that I have not applied?
If so, you need to quit following.

Critical thinkers must think.
 
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Prof,
Imagine a man runs a bustling candy store.

One day, while the man is not in the shop, little Billy comes in and buys a great big strawberry sucker and leaves.
The next day, while he IS at the shop, someone asks the man if that Billy kid every comes in.

"Nope" answers the man.

Billy hears about this and storms into the shop screaming "Apologize! Apologize!"

That about right?
 
The Professor said:
No one will even try to answer this question.
Randi needs to apologize.

Randi was corrected by Alison Michelle Smith and NOW by ME!

Even Jeff Wagg thinks he is mistaken! And Jeff may be right!
Bottom line.... Randi is wrong!

And even more disturbing ... does he STILL calim that I have not applied?
If so, you need to quit following.

Critical thinkers must think.
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Reported.
 
The Professor has got to be the hungriest troll I've ever seen. It seems like an obvious suggestion but, perhaps not feeding him will compel him to take his appetite elsewhere?
 
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I see your grandstanding continues.

The Professor said:
No one will even try to answer this question.
Randi needs to apologize.
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There is no question there to answer. In the above quote, you stated that Randi need to apologize. Your opening post was worded as a question and it was answered. You have ignored it because you don't like the answer.

In the post of yours that you quoted, the only question was "Will you follow blindly?"

The answer is no, but since you don't like it you will evade dealing with that answer just as you have the original question that you failed to restate properly in this most recent post.

Randi was corrected by Alison Michelle Smith and NOW by ME!

Even Jeff Wagg thinks he is mistaken! And Jeff may be right!
Bottom line.... Randi is wrong!
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Is or was? You have a context problem. If this was an isolated statement, you may be excused for sloppy sentence construction. (Something I do a lot.) But you continued below:

And even more disturbing ... does he STILL calim that I have not applied?
If so, you need to quit following.
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For him to continue to claim that you have not applied, he would have to make statements to that effect. Now a thinking person here would ask himself one simple question: Whom would he be making the statement of denial to? You? The trees? Some unknown to us audience? Between this statement and the one above it becomes apparent that what we have here in not a failure to write well but a failure to present a rational position.

The notion of this being disturbing is rather odd (but not disturbing) in light of the subsequent irrational statement.

Critical thinkers must think.
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Indeed! Those you can do. You do not. See the following and consider the long term results:

http://www.google.com/search?q=psyc...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

You posts here will follow you.
 
The Professor said:
If Randi was Misinformed or just Ignorant of the truth, then I guess he needs to apologize as suggested.
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Why do you guess?

And why does Randi need this?

The Professor said:
The Professor said:
Will you follow blindly?
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No one will even try to answer this question.
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I will even try to answer. No. Unless you mean answer the question in the thread title, in which case I answer “No” or “What” depending on whether the conjunction was intended as a rhetorical compound proposition or a separator of distinctive alternatives.

Glad to help you out.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Why do you guess?

And why does Randi need this?

I will even try to answer. No. Unless you mean answer the question in the thread title, in which case I answer “No” or “What” depending on whether the conjunction was intended as a rhetorical compound proposition or a separator of distinctive alternatives.
Glad to help you out.
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Wow, DevilsAdvocate, (great screen name BTW)
I think I felt a little light headed when I read the bolded part above.

Whether you helped the Professor or not, I certainly learned something! :blush:

<checking to see if my tenses match> :)

Are you some kind of kung fu english master? :D
 
Guys; It seems that it's long past time to stop feeding this troll. He has work wo do on writing a protocol, and we're keeping him from it by playing these silly games. We don't want to keep The Professor from showing us how wrong we have been with regard to his Powers, now do we?

That said, it's almost as if Dave holds Randi to some insane level of knowledge akin to godhood; assuming that the man should be all knowing.
 
Pogo said:
The Professor has got to be the hungriest troll I've ever seen. It seems like an obvious suggestion but, perhaps not feeding him will compel him to take his appetite elsewhere?
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We're keeping him from his homework... he has a proposal to write.
 
If memory serves, Randi brought a libel suit against some other punk. He generously didn't pursue it after the kid groveled enough. As far as Randi needing to apologize? See ya in court! I believe calling someone a 'felon' when they aren't would be grounds for a libel suit.

Keep up the good work, :)!
 
So now you threaten lawsuit ...a good way to avoid the question :)
Where is the proof that Randi has acknowledged the Claim?
Is he still confused?
 
The Professor said:
So now you threaten lawsuit ...a good way to avoid the question :)
Where is the proof that Randi has acknowledged the Claim?
Is he still confused?
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You seem to be the one who is confused here. Posters on this forum aren't speaking on Randi's behalf, any more than you are.
 
The Professor said:
So now you threaten lawsuit ...a good way to avoid the question :)
Where is the proof that Randi has acknowledged the Claim?
Is he still confused?
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Who is lawsuit? Are they a member? I don't see a username matching.Why are they being threatened?
Where is the proof Randi hasn't acknowledged the claim.Do you assume Randi should post on here just to appease you and your agenda? Do you know wether he has emailed Jeff Wagg for example? Or RemieV? I would think he is fully aware of your partial application.As many people on this forum are,do you wish for every member to post here that they see you have applied?
No.I think your ego cannot take the fact Randi just ignores you.It eats away at you doesn't it? How you slag him off ,accuse him of various misnomers yet he respectfully keeps quiet.
To most that speaks a lot louder than any of your beligerent posts.

There are numerous questions awaiting your reply in claim thread.Go.:)
 
The Professor said:
So now you threaten lawsuit ...a good way to avoid the question :)
Where is the proof that Randi has acknowledged the Claim?
Is he still confused?
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Why would you expect the top guy to acknowledge your claim? Should he call you up and go for lunch? Or maybe, the new president of the JREF, Phil Plait is the new one you'd like to hear from?

Do you expect the president of a bank to know about or acknowledge every loan application, or to apologize for not knowing that Mr. and Mrs. Koenig applied for a home equity loan?

Please, use those critical thinking skills that you suggest we use.
 
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