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Vixen said:
Rebecca Smith is SIO head of Serious and Organised Crime at Lancs Police. I am astonished that people have no idea of some of the breakthrough cases she has been involved in, usually around the Blackpool/Fylde area but she was brought in to head the Nicola Bulley disappearance with forty highly specialist detectives under her. This isn't just County Lines and minor serious crime, these cases she has busted have been mafia-led drug smuggling gangs.

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"Minor serious crime" LOL
 
Once again: the disappearance of Bulley - and bearing in mind that the police 1) knew from the get-go that she was a vulnerable person, and 2) were not in the slightest suspecting foul play (AKA "a crime") - would/could never have been categorised by Lancs Police as a "serious crime" (let alone an organised crime).
 
LondonJohn said:
Once again: the disappearance of Bulley - and bearing in mind that the police 1) knew from the get-go that she was a vulnerable person, and 2) were not in the slightest suspecting foul play (AKA "a crime") - would/could never have been categorised by Lancs Police as a "serious crime" (let alone an organised crime).
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What about 'minor organised serious crime'?
 
Vixen said:
Rebecca Smith is SIO head of Serious and Organised Crime at Lancs Police. I am astonished that people have no idea of some of the breakthrough cases she has been involved in, ...snip...
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Translation: "I've just read up about her and I didn't know..."
 
LondonJohn said:
"Minor serious crime" LOL
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Oh dear. Broadly speaking a serious crime is anything that attracts a prison sentence of over two years. Now the difference between two years and a whole life tariff would be the difference in the quality of the serious crime.

What is classed as a serious crime in the UK?
Death by dangerous driving. Wounding with intent (under section 18 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861) Possession of firearm with intent (under section 16 of the Firearms Act)
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LondonJohn thinks wounding with intent is of similar serious crime magnitude to international organised drug smuggling.
 
LondonJohn said:
Once again: the disappearance of Bulley - and bearing in mind that the police 1) knew from the get-go that she was a vulnerable person, and 2) were not in the slightest suspecting foul play (AKA "a crime") - would/could never have been categorised by Lancs Police as a "serious crime" (let alone an organised crime).
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Hello, I see you are now changing the subject.
 
Vixen said:
Hello, I see you are now changing the subject.
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In what way is that "changing the subject"? I was pointing out why Bulley's disappearance would not have been categorised as a "serious crime", and therefore why a senior crime investigation unit would not have been assigned to it.
 
Vixen said:
Oh dear. Broadly speaking a serious crime is anything that attracts a prison sentence of over two years. Now the difference between two years and a whole life tariff would be the difference in the quality of the serious crime.

Wheldon Law


LondonJohn thinks wounding with intent is of similar serious crime magnitude to international organised drug smuggling.
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The correct word in this context would be "lesser", or "lower-level".

The term "minor" is inappropriate in this context. Would you talk about having a "minor serious illness", for example?
 
Vixen said:
Er, from 11 March 2023:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14026596#post14026596


No apologies forthcoming, I expect.
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Once again: that video is from three years ago. Since then, Smith has been promoted to Det. Superintendent. And alongside that, it's also pretty clear that she's returned to the generalist CID pool - because.... Bulley's disappearance (and the police's assessment, from Day One, of what might have become of her) meant that this was not being considered a "serious crime".
 
LondonJohn said:
In what way is that "changing the subject"? I was pointing out why Bulley's disappearance would not have been categorised as a "serious crime", and therefore why a senior crime investigation unit would not have been assigned to it.
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As I recall you were the one who was heavily hinting that 'it was the partner what dunnit' in the relevant thread, so it isn't me who has the misapprehension.
 
LondonJohn said:
The correct word in this context would be "lesser", or "lower-level".

The term "minor" is inappropriate in this context. Would you talk about having a "minor serious illness", for example?
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'Minor' doesn't cancel out the proper noun 'serious' within the context of something labelled 'Serious Crime'. Thus, it is possible to have a bad Good Friday*, a low High Court, a short Life Sentence, a slow Quick Step, etc., etc.

*(I know the 'Good' here doesn't actually mean 'good'.)
 
LondonJohn said:
Once again: that video is from three years ago. Since then, Smith has been promoted to Det. Superintendent. And alongside that, it's also pretty clear that she's returned to the generalist CID pool - because.... Bulley's disappearance (and the police's assessment, from Day One, of what might have become of her) meant that this was not being considered a "serious crime".
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She is still overseeing things. See here: https://www.lancashire.police.uk/ne...lines-disruption-team-to-launch-in-blackpool/


New County Lines Disruption Team to launch in Blackpool
Monday, January 9, 2023

Detective Superintendent Becky Smith said: “Over the past five years staff within West Division have worked extremely hard to highlight the profile of county lines across Lancashire. They have raised our profile nationally in terms of our work, in both targeting criminals and identifying innovative projects aimed at preventing vulnerable people from becoming involved in serious organised crime.
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ETA: you can't know what the police were or were not investigating. All that is known is that Supt Sally Riley, police officer, was taken over on day 3 by Rebecca Smith as Senior Investigating Officer over a team of forty highly-specialised detective. Forty detectives is a LOT for a simple missing person search.

The fact is, whilst Ms. Bulley might well have had personal struggles in her life, that doesn't necessarily cancel out something more sinister, especially given the nature of hers and her husband's and father's work. IMV the fact that it is a missing person case doesn't cancel out bringing in undercover operatives to suss out the scene on the ground. West Lancs seems to be a hotbed of drug-related crime. One of the caravans nearby where Ms Bulley went missing was found stuffed with mafia money at some point previously. IMV it would be quite reasonable for police to investigate possible crime, given the sheer pressure of public concern.
 
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Vixen said:
She is still overseeing things. See here: https://www.lancashire.police.uk/ne...lines-disruption-team-to-launch-in-blackpool/




ETA: you can't know what the police were or were not investigating. All that is known is that Supt Sally Riley, police officer, was taken over on day 3 by Rebecca Smith as Senior Investigating Officer over a team of forty highly-specialised detective. Forty detectives is a LOT for a simple missing person search.

The fact is, whilst Ms. Bulley might well have had personal struggles in her life, that doesn't necessarily cancel out something more sinister, especially given the nature of hers and her husband's and father's work. IMV the fact that it is a missing person case doesn't cancel out bringing in undercover operatives to suss out the scene on the ground. West Lancs seems to be a hotbed of drug-related crime. One of the caravans nearby where Ms Bulley went missing was found stuffed with mafia money at some point previously. IMV it would be quite reasonable for police to investigate possible crime, given the sheer pressure of public concern.
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Sigh-di-sigh.

There's drug-related crime everywhere. South Devon. North Norfolk. East Lincolnshire. Everywhere. And vulnerable people go missing every day, in every force area. And unless the police have real grounds to suspect foul play in any such disappearance (and they did not have any such grounds in this case), it would be a gross waste of (limited) police resources to roll out a full-on team of serious-crime detectives on a routine missing person case.

In this particular case, Lancs Police would obviously have been well aware that it had become a national media phenomenon. And because of that, I have little doubt that the senior management of the Force wanted to be seen to be doing a professional and thorough job of searching. But there's virtually no evidence that the police in this case were conducting any significant amount of criminal investigation.

(By the way, and as I understand it, the "40-50 personnel" numbers of police officers involved in the case did not mean 40-50 detectives: I believe the majority of that number were regular uniformed officers. But if you have (reliable) evidence to indicate otherwise (i.e. to indicate that there were 40-50 detectives assigned to this case), I'd certainly be very open to changing my view on that issue.)
 
Vixen said:
'Minor' doesn't cancel out the proper noun 'serious' within the context of something labelled 'Serious Crime'. Thus, it is possible to have a bad Good Friday*, a low High Court, a short Life Sentence, a slow Quick Step, etc., etc.

*(I know the 'Good' here doesn't actually mean 'good'.)
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Can you cite some examples please?
 
Vixen said:
'Minor' doesn't cancel out the proper noun 'serious' within the context of something labelled 'Serious Crime'. Thus, it is possible to have a bad Good Friday*, a low High Court, a short Life Sentence, a slow Quick Step, etc., etc.

*(I know the 'Good' here doesn't actually mean 'good'.)
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Serious is an adjective, even in the context you mention, where it modifies the noun crime.

Do stop pontificating on grammatical matters, as your understanding of grammar is much worse than you think.
 
LondonJohn said:
Sigh-di-sigh.

There's drug-related crime everywhere. South Devon. North Norfolk. East Lincolnshire. Everywhere. And vulnerable people go missing every day, in every force area. And unless the police have real grounds to suspect foul play in any such disappearance (and they did not have any such grounds in this case), it would be a gross waste of (limited) police resources to roll out a full-on team of serious-crime detectives on a routine missing person case.

In this particular case, Lancs Police would obviously have been well aware that it had become a national media phenomenon. And because of that, I have little doubt that the senior management of the Force wanted to be seen to be doing a professional and thorough job of searching. But there's virtually no evidence that the police in this case were conducting any significant amount of criminal investigation.

(By the way, and as I understand it, the "40-50 personnel" numbers of police officers involved in the case did not mean 40-50 detectives: I believe the majority of that number were regular uniformed officers. But if you have (reliable) evidence to indicate otherwise (i.e. to indicate that there were 40-50 detectives assigned to this case), I'd certainly be very open to changing my view on that issue.)
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40 detectives under SIO Smith, later increased by ten:

Police investigating the disappearance of Nicola Bulley have said all possible lines of inquiry to find the mother-of-two are being “exhausted”. A team of 40 detectives are working on approximately 500 different lines of inquiry, Superintendent Sally Riley said.
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Wales online
 
GlennB said:
Serious is an adjective, even in the context you mention, where it modifies the noun crime.

Do stop pontificating on grammatical matters, as your understanding of grammar is much worse than you think.
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I wasn't talking about serious crime in the general sense. I specifically wrote Serious and Organised Crime re SIO Smith:


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14054668#post14054668

IOW it is not only a proper noun, 'Serious Crime' it is also a legal style referring to the Serious Crime Act.

As these range from wounding with intent all the way up to serious crimes attracting whole life tariffs it is perfectly correct to refer to the short-sentence serious crimes as minor.

In addition 'serious' is not an absolute adjective so can be qualified.
 
Vixen said:
I wasn't talking about serious crime in the general sense. I specifically wrote Serious and Organised Crime re SIO Smith:


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14054668#post14054668

IOW it is not only a proper noun, 'Serious Crime' it is also a legal style referring to the Serious Crime Act.

As these range from wounding with intent all the way up to serious crimes attracting whole life tariffs it is perfectly correct to refer to the short-sentence serious crimes as minor.

In addition 'serious' is not an absolute adjective so can be qualified.
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Meaningless waffle.
 
Vixen said:
'Minor' doesn't cancel out the proper noun 'serious' within the context of something labelled 'Serious Crime'. Thus, it is possible to have a bad Good Friday*, a low High Court, a short Life Sentence, a slow Quick Step, etc., etc.

*(I know the 'Good' here doesn't actually mean 'good'.)
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'serious' is not a proper noun. A proper noun is the name for a specific place, person or thing. They are easy to recognise in English because proper nouns are always capitalised to distinguish them from common nouns.

It's not even a noun. It's an adjective.
 
Alderbank said:
'serious' is not a proper noun. A proper noun is the name for a specific place, person or thing. They are easy to recognise in English because proper nouns are always capitalised to distinguish them from common nouns.

It's not even a noun. It's an adjective.
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Amen.
 
When you're talking about what the Serious Crime Unit manages, Serious Crime can be a noun. Particularly when you're distinguishing it from a Minor Crime.

You know, like how American distinguishes a felony from a misdemeanour. Different criteria, probably (I don't actually know) but same idea.
 
Just came to the thread because I heard you were talking about psychic cats. But this discussion is even better.
 
Thermal said:
Just came to the thread because I heard you were talking about psychic cats. But this discussion is even better.
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That's just what those dang psychic cats want you to think. When a psychic cat bleps, that's when they do their dastardly mind control on you!!!
 
Thermal said:
Just came to the thread because I heard you were talking about psychic cats. But this discussion is even better.
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That reminds me.

Vixen, you have claimed that it is a "fact that a specific supernatural ability has been proven in some cats", but have yet to provide the proof.

Please can you show us this proof?
 
arthwollipot said:
When you're talking about what the Serious Crime Unit manages, Serious Crime can be a noun. Particularly when you're distinguishing it from a Minor Crime.

You know, like how American distinguishes a felony from a misdemeanour. Different criteria, probably (I don't actually know) but same idea.
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Eh?????

That's like saying: when I ask you what sort of chair you have, you say "a blue chair", and you declaring that the "blue" in "blue chair" is suddenly a noun.

You're simply wrong. If one makes a distinction between different categorisations of crime, and one chooses to label one "serious crime" and the other "minor crime" (capitalisations or not), this doesn't somehow magically change the words "serious" and "minor" into nouns. They're still the same adjectives they always were.
 
(unless that whole post of arthwollipot's was a satire. In which case, it was a deepfake satire.)
 
LondonJohn said:
(unless that whole post of arthwollipot's was a satire. In which case, it was a deepfake satire.)
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It was not.

In my industry we have a thing called a Nonstandard Request. It's not just a request that isn't standard, it's a particular classification of request. It's distinct from a New Starter Request and a Mobile Data Plan Request and a Resource Group Ownership Request.

Though it does occur to me that the distinction between a noun phrase and an adjectival phrase is entirely beside the point.
 
Vixen said:
Thus, it is possible to have a bad Good Friday*, a low High Court, a short Life Sentence, a slow Quick Step, etc., etc.

*(I know the 'Good' here doesn't actually mean 'good'.)
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Georg said:
Can you cite some examples please?
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Vixen said:
You can see a table of the different sentencing guidelines for 'life sentence' by scrolling down to the table here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales

As can be seen, there are short life sentences all the way up to 'whole life' tariffs.

The High Court at Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London, is no more than 36 feet above sea level so can be called a low High Court.
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Well, I did not ask what you would see as such, I asked for citations to find out if anyone else besides you uses those expressions.
Seems like no one does (not too big a surprise).

Are you really wondering why you are not taken seriously to even a minor degree?
 
Thermal said:
Just came to the thread because I heard you were talking about psychic cats. But this discussion is even better.
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Not just any psychic cats.......ones that can conjure up fake images from The Simpsons for people to post and then never acknowledge they are fake images from psychic cats(who may also be undercover police).......

At least I think this is still where this thread has led to.....
 
Alderbank said:
'serious' is not a proper noun. A proper noun is the name for a specific place, person or thing. They are easy to recognise in English because proper nouns are always capitalised to distinguish them from common nouns.

It's not even a noun. It's an adjective.
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Wrong.

A proper noun is a noun that serves as the name for a specific place, person, or thing. To distinguish them from common nouns, proper nouns are always capitalized in English.

Proper nouns include personal names, place names, names of companies and organizations, and the titles of books, films, songs, and other media.
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https://www.scribbr.com/nouns-and-p...t=A proper noun is a,, songs, and other media.


In the context of my post re SIO Rebecca Smith I very clearly referred to Serious and Organised Crime - note the capitalisation. I assume you are familiar with organisations having a 'Human Resources' department or a 'Logistics' department. = Proper Noun. The Lancashire Police have one under the auspices of Serious Crime.
 
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