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"Magic" Tai Chi Powers

Stigweard

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Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??

I can't post urls (less than 15 posts), but if you searched on youtube:

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 2 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 3 of 3

If so I have a protocol written up that I would like reviewed.

Warm Regards

Stuart :)
 
If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.
Acrobats, dancers, sword swallowers, contortionists, Olympic athletes for example.

Muddying the waters are the many thousands of Tai Chi 'experts'...

Many don't put in the bodywork and substitute chicanery to create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they spend a lot of time convincing themselves that their qi breathing and mystical visualizations and 'energy work' is the real thing... and create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they actually can do the real thing, but for whatever reason, don't let their students have it.

A protocol to weed out the 'illusionists' would be straightforward enough. :D

And the people doing it with their bodies, aren't doing anything paranormal... just unusual.
 
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I watched part 3 and saw no indication of anything paranormal going on, or even being claimed. The guy says it's an application of the power of the human body that anyone can learn, though he uses rather woo-ish terms to say it.
 
I'm interested in the protocol, I guess, but I don't even understand what the claim is. Why don't we start there? It's hard to evaluate a protocol without knowing what is being tested.

Ward
 
Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??

I can't post urls (less than 15 posts), but if you searched on youtube:

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 2 of 3

Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 3 of 3

If so I have a protocol written up that I would like reviewed.

Warm Regards

Stuart :)


Please say that you are kidding. That is the most fake crap I've seen... and I've see a fair bit of fake crap.

Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

All the same, welcome to the forum. :)
 
Please say that you are kidding. That is the most fake crap I've seen... and I've see a fair bit of fake crap.

Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

All the same, welcome to the forum. :)
Since it is fake, why do you have a problem with the OP wanting to submit a protocol?
 
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Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" qualify as a legitimate candidate??

I guess it would, but you're using physical force. So I can't see anyone giving you the million for that.

You've got a neat physical skill and a party trick or two to do with it but I don't see anything remotely supernatural.
 
Since it is fake, why do you have a problem with the OP wanting to submit a protocol?

I just said it looked terribly fake.

But upthread you posted...


If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess
... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.

<lots of crap snipped>


Please stop, the stupid... it burns.

If you have a vid url in mind (beyond the op and the crap you mentioned), please... impress us.

Really.


ETA: Don't make me invoke Bullshido! :D
 
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I just said it looked terribly fake.

But upthread you posted...





Please stop, the stupid... it burns.

If you have a vid url in mind (beyond the op and the crap you mentioned), please... impress us.

Really.


ETA: Don't make me invoke Bullshido! :D
If you think that Olympic athletes, contortionists , etc. are all 'lots of crap', I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

If you feel that no one can practice enough to develop strength and skills allowing them push another person around, that's fine with me too.

If you are simply taking my post, where I went through the list of fakery, so that you can snip words, add words, and build a strawman that I believe in fakery, you're wasting your time.
 
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You said these things...

If those videos are the Michael Phillips ones, 'bounce jin' and so on are real things. There is definitely physical force being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=relmfu

The counterintuitive part is how can a smaller/older person make a slight twitch, and get such an explosive reaction from a larger/younger person?

In the same manner that people can perform other unusual feats of physical prowess
... lots of specialized training and practice, to the point of re-'shaping' their physiology.
Acrobats, dancers, sword swallowers, contortionists, Olympic athletes for example.

Muddying the waters are the many thousands of Tai Chi 'experts'...

Many don't put in the bodywork and substitute chicanery to create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they spend a lot of time convincing themselves that their qi breathing and mystical visualizations and 'energy work' is the real thing... and create a similar looking illusion.

Or, they actually can do the real thing, but for whatever reason, don't let their students have it.

A protocol to weed out the 'illusionists' would be straightforward enough. :D

And the people doing it with their bodies, aren't doing anything paranormal... just unusual.


The bolded parts make it appear, to me, that you believe the possibility of the vids listed. My apologies for mis understanding your post.

PLEASE, PLEASE... tell me I mis-understood you.
 
You said these things...




The bolded parts make it appear, to me, that you believe the possibility of the vids listed. My apologies for mis understanding your post.

PLEASE, PLEASE... tell me I mis-understood you.
I hope you did indeeed misunderstand.

The OP said no physical contact, and protocol... as in suggesting that there was some paranormal phenomenon at work.

I posted the video so we could all see that there was in fact real physical contact... to dispel the notion that this was the 'empty force' woo so popular in some martial arts circles.

As others have pointed out, this is some dude who has learned how to put all his body weight into a specific point and do 'parlor tricks' with it. Nothing more nothing less.

Call it showbiz, call it whatever you want... it is simply physics. Some people practice doing 2 fingered handstands, others practice being hit in the stomach... still just physics dressed to impress.
 
Watched VID 3, I can do this and have. In fact I have held 15 students from pushing me over all at once. It is a simple trick that anyone can master in about a half hour, No Chi, No powers, just physics.

I always volunteer for demonstrations similiar to this when I can, the demonstrators generally hate me. The last one I was at had a gentleman claimed he could throw anyone to the ground regardless of size or strength. he couldn't.

I can't imagine a protocol that would reveal anything paranormal, but would like to see the effort just the same.
 
In the OP:

Hi Folks,

Would the following ability to make people bounce and hop away with "no physical force" <snip>

Warm Regards

Stuart :)

It's the bolded part crim.

I hope you did indeeed misunderstand.

The OP said no physical contact, and protocol... as in suggesting that there was some paranormal phenomenon at work.

As others have pointed out, this is some dude who has learned how to put all his body weight into a specific point and do 'parlor tricks' with it. Nothing more nothing less.

He says force, not contact.

Watched VID 3, I can do this and have. In fact I have held 15 students from pushing me over all at once. It is a simple trick that anyone can master in about a half hour, No Chi, No powers, just physics.

I'm not talking about holding off someone using balance. I'm calling BS on the throwing someone off by flexing your muscles. That's the fake aspect and what was brought up in the OP.

Got it now?
 
In the OP:



It's the bolded part crim.



He says force, not contact.



I'm not talking about holding off someone using balance. I'm calling BS on the throwing someone off by flexing your muscles. That's the fake aspect and what was brought up in the OP.

Got it now?
Yes... I've got it... you had a chance to have a rational discussion, and chose to fling straw instead..
 
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What are you not getting?

You're speaking to the ability to, through strength and balance, hold back someone or someones, correct. No problem here, not para at all, just takes practice, knowledge and talent. A little strength wouldn't hurt either. That's what your talking about, along with Lanzy, correct?


Please for the love of FSM, tell me you are NOT saying that those three vids in any way represented anything passably real as regards the idea that by just flexing, the instructor was able to throw or push the student back on his heels, hopping away.
 
Again... not the kinesiology of holding off the larger guy pushing against the instructor.

The BS is EVERY time the instructor says some crap about repelling him with his chi powers, and the big guy just hops back like he was pushed. Thats staged six ways from Sunday.
 
I've seen dozens of similar "demonstrations". Every single one involved simple body mechanics (some of which we knew as school kids on the playground) or outright collusion on the part of the "volunteer".
I've pointed out before that with many of these martial-arts types, a sort of cult-like relationship develops with the "master", much as with the charismatic pastor of the fundamentalist church who knocks people down by "slaying with the spirit".
The people subconsciously go along with the program because it's expected of them.

Usually when non-involved people are brought in, the schtick doesn't work.
The incident with the "touch knockout" fellow who was flooring all his students is classic; a reporter volunteered and none of the "knockout" techniques worked at all.
 
I've seen dozens of similar "demonstrations". Every single one involved simple body mechanics (some of which we knew as school kids on the playground) or outright collusion on the part of the "volunteer".
I've pointed out before that with many of these martial-arts types, a sort of cult-like relationship develops with the "master", much as with the charismatic pastor of the fundamentalist church who knocks people down by "slaying with the spirit".
The people subconsciously go along with the program because it's expected of them.

Usually when non-involved people are brought in, the schtick doesn't work.
The incident with the "touch knockout" fellow who was flooring all his students is classic; a reporter volunteered and none of the "knockout" techniques worked at all.
Exactly. Observation of the video shows that the receiver of the push is as involved in the backwards launch as anything.

The protocol is obvious... have the claimant push an inert weight structured like a human, or push a linkage of some kind.
 
Again... not the kinesiology of holding off the larger guy pushing against the instructor.

The BS is EVERY time the instructor says some crap about repelling him with his chi powers, and the big guy just hops back like he was pushed. Thats staged six ways from Sunday.
I agree with you on this, Jim.

Check the video at 4:26 and 5:05. The younger helper is hopping up and back. It seems to me the video would have one believe these upward and backward motions were caused entirely by the instructor and his mastery of chi. I say bunkus humunkous.
 
Can you pick a scene in one of the vids? I just skimmed a couple as the tricks are pretty common place.

Watch the tail of the first video. Michael Phillips starts his demonstration a little after the 6 minute mark. Watch the feet and the knees of the assistant during the demonstration.

I'm not saying it is or isn't faked, but the appearance is that the assistant it jumping away.
 
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Watch the tail of the first video. Michael Phillips starts his demonstration a little after the 6 minute mark. Watch the feet and the knees of the assistant during the demonstration.

I'm not saying it is or isn't faked, but the appearance is that the assistant it jumping away.
He also has a video on 'Tai Chi punching' where he instructs his assistant to let the arm with the pad flop all the way back from each punch.

Now it's a good idea to not catch all the force with a stiff arm, but most trainers ride the punch in a springy manner...
Miller gets an (IMO) overly impressive arc because of his coaching, not because he's producing supernatural levels of power.

As I said earlier, a lot of Tai Chi experts create illusions... some without realizing it.
 
Very similar thing... some people are taking a simple parlor trick with a rational explanation, dressing it up to circus levels, and sucking in a bunch of gullible (and often paying) followers...

I forgot to mention, don't read the skeptical comments in the article and don't look at the videos where the tai chi masters get their butts kicked. Only look at the videos where the masters demonstrate their tai chi power. Those videos prove the undeniable paranormal power of tai chi. The other videos in the link are fake.
 
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Looks fake to me. I started with the 3rd video, then the 2nd (because YouTube had it available on the side), and then the 1st one. The bit about leaning into the guy makes some sense (although I did notice that as he got better with each trial, he kept inching that left foot out to get a wider stance and better angle).

When he first did the trick where he flexes and pushes the guy back, my first question was why the guy jumped backwards. I guessed it was some sort of Tai Chi defensive move to jump back instead of just putting one leg back, for some reason. So I wasn’t very impressed by the first two videos (the 3rd and 2nd in the series) because it just looked like what you would expect from a quick, short, sudden movement; and the defensive move of jumping backwards every time seemed unwarranted in most cases.

It wasn’t until I got to the 1st video where Phillips explains that with Fa Jin, the person is not just pushed back where they tumble backwards or have to move their legs to keep from falling over, but rather it a strong force that lifts the person up and back with them frozen in the same pose. I hadn’t guessed that the videos had been attempting to demonstrate that because I didn’t know that was what I was supposed to be looking for, and…well…it just looked like people jumping backwards.

In the second video, the guy has his fists on his back. When Phillips moves his back, the guy’s move back, his elbows bend (absorbing any energy from the back thrust), and THEN he jumps up and back. He needs to work on his timing.

It’s all in the toes. If you are pushed back at the shoulders, your toes come up as you shift your weight back to your heels and prepared to lift a leg to move it back to keep from falling. Presumably with Fa Jin, your feet would remain flat as you fly back through the air. But if you jump back, you have to put your weight on the balls of your feet and toes and then push back, so when you leave the ground your heels are up and your toes are pointed down, which is what we see in the video.

To show that the person is actually being Fa Jinned up and back through the air, we just need one very small and simple change to the test. Have the guy stand on his heels. Go ahead and stand on your heels and try to jump back a couple feet. You aren’t going to make it. If you get in a good knee bend, you might make a few inches. Or you might just fall and hit the back of your head on the ground.

I think this would work even if the person had their toes up on something. All you need is a couple thick books or pieces of 2X4 wood. Have the guy stand with his heels on the ground and his toes on the books/wood, then see if the Fa Jin master can twitch him up and back two feet. ;)
 
Looks fake to me. I started with the 3rd video, then the 2nd (because YouTube had it available on the side), and then the 1st one. The bit about leaning into the guy makes some sense (although I did notice that as he got better with each trial, he kept inching that left foot out to get a wider stance and better angle).

When he first did the trick where he flexes and pushes the guy back, my first question was why the guy jumped backwards. I guessed it was some sort of Tai Chi defensive move to jump back instead of just putting one leg back, for some reason. So I wasn’t very impressed by the first two videos (the 3rd and 2nd in the series) because it just looked like what you would expect from a quick, short, sudden movement; and the defensive move of jumping backwards every time seemed unwarranted in most cases.

It wasn’t until I got to the 1st video where Phillips explains that with Fa Jin, the person is not just pushed back where they tumble backwards or have to move their legs to keep from falling over, but rather it a strong force that lifts the person up and back with them frozen in the same pose. I hadn’t guessed that the videos had been attempting to demonstrate that because I didn’t know that was what I was supposed to be looking for, and…well…it just looked like people jumping backwards.

In the second video, the guy has his fists on his back. When Phillips moves his back, the guy’s move back, his elbows bend (absorbing any energy from the back thrust), and THEN he jumps up and back. He needs to work on his timing.

It’s all in the toes. If you are pushed back at the shoulders, your toes come up as you shift your weight back to your heels and prepared to lift a leg to move it back to keep from falling. Presumably with Fa Jin, your feet would remain flat as you fly back through the air. But if you jump back, you have to put your weight on the balls of your feet and toes and then push back, so when you leave the ground your heels are up and your toes are pointed down, which is what we see in the video.

To show that the person is actually being Fa Jinned up and back through the air, we just need one very small and simple change to the test. Have the guy stand on his heels. Go ahead and stand on your heels and try to jump back a couple feet. You aren’t going to make it. If you get in a good knee bend, you might make a few inches. Or you might just fall and hit the back of your head on the ground.

I think this would work even if the person had their toes up on something. All you need is a couple thick books or pieces of 2X4 wood. Have the guy stand with his heels on the ground and his toes on the books/wood, then see if the Fa Jin master can twitch him up and back two feet. ;)
That's part of it. Another part is pre-conditioning or sensitizing the student.

With a decently sharp bounce into someone who has overextended themselves (push slowly, now push harder, now harder') , you can get their knees or arms to hyperextend... not something most people would care to repeat... a few incantations about 'don't resist the force' and pretty soon, you've got yourself a room full of hoppy toads.
 
Wow ... great responses all ... breath of fresh air actually to get some critical thinking rather than the carry on the Tai Chi folks make about this.

I apologize in advance if I don't address your comments directly here...

OK so here is the "claim":

Michael Phillips, and those of the same persuasion, claim that through the "non-bio-mechanical" power of Fajin they can "bounce" opponents away (regardless of opponent size or environmental factors) with ONLY the lightest touch of the opponent's fingertips touching the forearms of the demonstrator (see 8:15 Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3).

To be clear this is Michael's description:

“The outward sign of fajin is that the wrists and elbows of the person issuing fa-jin do not follow the opponent, as they would if one were merely "pushing" with the muscles - in Chinese, this is called "The arrow is fired, but the bow remains." The real test is to stand with one's feet parallel with someone at least your own size facing you in a well-rooted bow-stance, and instantly shear him off his feet, both feet clear off the ground in a single moment, and send him backwards 3-4 feet with his feet ending in the same alignment. All of this done with the demonstrator having no discernible tension in one's shoulders, elbows, or wrists.

Whilst there may be a visible "pulse-wave" passing thru the body-system, if someones elbow accelerates forward and follows the trajectory of the opponent as he is thrown backwards, what has just occurred is definitely NOT [Tai Chi] fajin!"

Michael claims that this is NOT based on "normal" bio-mechanics (see 8:43 Mysteries of Tai Chi Chuan - Part 1 of 3) and that there is absolutely no muscular strength (commonly called "external strength" as opposed to the "internal strength" fajin that Michael claims to be proficient at) being used in the technique.

In conversation with Michael and other "believers" they claim repeatedly, and rather obtusely, that this fajin is beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding or explanation thus, at least in my mind, fulfilling the requirement of it being a claim of paranormal ability.

:D
 
I'm still a little confused. Stigweard, do you believe in this power or are you trying to develop a test protocol to test those who do? And if it's the latter, whom do you think will submit themselves for a test?

Ward
 
Hiya Wardenclyffe, I neither believe nor disbelieve, and yes I am trying to develop a protocol to test those who do. Michael has already agreed to give such a test a shot, and I have other "fajiners" who have expressed interest ;-)
 
Alright then. Bring on the protocol. Has Michael seen and agreed to it already? If you come up with a protocol that will pass muster, you can have these guys tested by The Australian Skeptics or the IIG. Both of those groups offer a finder's fee. If Michael wins their big prize, you would be in for a smaller prize, just for bringing them to the group's attention.

In fact, here's a whole list of prizes they could potentially win. Only the first two offer a finder's fee though. Here's the list:

There's the Australian Skeptics' AU$100,000 Prize
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/
They also offer AU$20,000 as a "Spotter's Fee"

There's the IIG's US$50,000 Challenge in California, USA
They now have affiliates in Atlanta, GA and Washington, DC and are developing affiliates in Denver, CO, Calgary, Canada and probably other places as well.
http://www.iigwest.org/challenge.html
They also offer US$5,000 as a "Finder's Fee"

There's the North Texas Skeptic's US$12,000 Challenge in the USA
http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/challenge.htm

There's Prabir Ghosh's 2,000,000 Rupee Challenge in India
http://rationalistprabir.bravehost.com/

There's the Swedish 100,000SeK prize offered by Humanisterna
http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php...d=27&Itemid=49

The Tampa Bay Skeptics offers a US$1000 prize in Florida, USA
http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/challenges.html

In Canada there's the CAN$10,000 from the Quebec Skeptics
http://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/activites/defi

In the UK, the ASKE organization offers £14,000
http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/challenge_rules.htm

Tony Youens in the UK offers £5,000
http://www.tonyyouens.com/challenge.htm

In Finland, Skepsis offers 10,000 Euros
http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/

The Fayetteville Freethinkers in Arkansas, USA offer a US$1000 prize
http://fayfreethinkers.com/

There's a 1,000,000 Yuan prize in China offered by Sima Nan. This is his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/simanan

The Belgian SKEPP organization offers a 10,500 Euro prize
http://www.skepp.be/prijzen/de-sisyphus-prijs/

There's a €50,000 challenge offered by Irish mentalist/magician, Keith Barry. The announcement: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/...0-2258739.html
and his website: www.keithbarry.com/

If you find any mistakes or broken links, or know of any tests not on this list, please notify me in this thread.

Thanks,
Ward
 
That's part of it. Another part is pre-conditioning or sensitizing the student.

With a decently sharp bounce into someone who has overextended themselves (push slowly, now push harder, now harder') , you can get their knees or arms to hyperextend... not something most people would care to repeat... a few incantations about 'don't resist the force' and pretty soon, you've got yourself a room full of hoppy toads.

At first that’s what I thought he was trying to demonstrate. The principal makes sense. Image a wall, or just a big steel plate. It has some hydraulics behind it that will push the plate forward an inch or two. If you push lightly on the plate, then when it jumps forward, all that happens is that your arms bend and maybe your shoulders move back a bit. A worst you get a bit of a jarring bump on your wrists. But if you move and heave ho good and strong against the wall, then you have no flexibility to absorb the energy from the wall. When the wall moves forward, your whole body gets a jolt, and you might even get knocked back a step.

But you won’t get hoppy toads. To get a hoppy toad you need some kind of upward force, So the person would have to be pushing down. And with the stances in the video, it would be almost impossible. The force is being applied to hands or fists on out stretched arms. What would happen is that the arms would rotate at the shoulders. You would have to have a person pushing almost straight down and with incredible strength to keep the arms and shoulders locked in order to transfer the force up on the whole body and get even a little skip off the floor. I’m not sure if it would even be possible without tearing an arm out of the socket, although my hunch is that in the right conditions it would be possible to get a very small bump off the floor with minor or even no damage to the body.

But that is not what is in the video. Take, for example, the demonstration where the guy has his fist on his back. Think about that steel plate. Image a person with their fists out at chest level against a steel plate. The steel plate has hydraulics that can apply any amount of force, and amount many times that capable by any human being. No matter what angle you move that plate forward and no matter how much force you apply, you are not going to push that person up like it shows in the video. No hoppy toad.
 
OK so here is the draft protocol:

Example Protocol to test Fa Jin ability

Abstract:

Background The drafting of this test for Fajin ability came about through various discussions with Tai Chi Chuan practitioners across social media platforms like Facebook and topic related forums. In terms of its purpose, firstly it has to be clearly stated that this is not intended to debunk or discredit any person or tradition. It's purpose is to provide a format to create a foundation of scientific inquiry into this mysterious martial arts technique.

Methods used The test is structured as close to a double-blind as possible. The main test subject, referred to as the Demonstrator, will be attempting to perform fajin on randomly selected, unknowing and unprepared test subjects within a controlled environment.

Results The results will be presented both in simple percentage terms and in terms of success or failure of the target result. These results, and associated video footage, may be used by all parties involved for educational purposes. These results will also become a collection of base-line data for further study and investigation of fajin and associated subjects.

Definition of Fajin

Fajin (meaning "fast or explosive power") is a martial arts technique contained within the field of "Internal Martial Arts" originating in China. Internal Martial Arts (IMA) include styles like Tai Chi Chuan, Bagua Chuan, Xin Yi Chuan etc.

Whilst some IMA practice and demonstrate a form of fajin that is merely a superior coordination of bio-mechanics to release a sudden impulse of physical force (search for "Chen Xiang's Bajiquan scientific" on Youtube), within styles like Tai Chi Chuan fajin is regarded as a paranormal ability.

Quite specifically, fajin experts claim they can make opponents "bounce" away in an involuntary manner with only the merest of touches by an opponent (i.e. the opponent only touches the demonstrator's forearms with finger tips). The observable signs of fajin include:

  • the wrists and elbows of the person issuing fa-jin do not follow the opponent, as they would if one were merely "pushing" with the muscles,
  • no discernible tension in one's shoulders, elbows, or wrists that would signify the use of muscular engagement to produce the force,
  • with the demonstrator standing with feet parallel with someone at least their own size facing them in a well-rooted stance, the demonstrator can instantly shear the opponent off their feet, both feet clear off the ground in a single moment, and send him backwards 3-4 feet
  • whilst there may be a visible "pulse-wave" passing thru the body-system, if the demonstrator's elbows accelerates forward and follows the trajectory of the opponent as he is thrown backwards, what has just occurred is definitely NOT fajin.

Materials required:

~ 1 Fajin Demonstrator
~ 30 randomly selected test subjects that meet Stipulation 5 (see "Stipulations")
~ 2 x adjoining rooms separated by a closable door that complete blocks visibility and limits audio from one room into the next
~ Ground mats jigsaw puzzle style (for health and safety precautions)
~ Cam recorder
~ 1 box to hold index cards
~ 2 sets of 30 index cards number 1 to 30
~ 1 coin
~ 6 adjudicators

Stipulations:

1. The Demonstrator cannot speak aloud or make any vocal/audible sounds.
2. The Demonstrator cannot make any foot-tapping, knocking, or other forms of noise that can be used as communication.
3. The Demonstrator can make no facial expressions in an attempt to produce a reaction in the test subjects.
4. The Demonstrator must wear only neutral clothing and nothing they wear must indicate any proficiency in martial arts or combat nor give any indication of what the test subjects might experience.
5. Subjects must be randomly selected and can not be a student, friend, associate or family member of the Demonstrator.
6. The test will be recorded via cam recorder.
7. The adjudicators must be independent and have no prior connection with either the Demonstrator or the organizer of the test.
8. The test must be overseen by an independent authority and have no prior connection with the Demonstrator. An appropriate authority would be a University faculty or independent research organization. This authority does not have to have any prior association with martial arts.

If any of the above listed are violated, or if it is determined the Demonstrator has attempted to tilt the results in his favor due to trickery of any kind, the test will be halted immediately and considered a failure.

If there is a setup or technological problem, or if for any reason the test must be halted due to extenuating circumstances rather than trickery, the test may be conducted up to two additional times. However, the Demonstrator must not be changed once the individual is chosen.

Pre-Test Survey:

Test subjects would be asked a simply lead-in questionnaire as to their knowledge and experience of martial arts, in particular Chinese IMA. This will be used to correlate post-test data.

Successful Test:

If the Demonstrator can make the test subject physically move (i.e. meaning that the test subject will involuntarily move their feet and whole body away from the Demonstrator) using ONLY fajin (see "Definition of Fajin" above) then the result will be considered a ‘hit’. If there are six hits out of ten attempts, the Demonstrator will have achieved the target result and the test deemed a success.

Set-up:

Test Room:
- the floor will be covered completely with the ground mats.
- cam recorder will be set up facing center, side-on to the Demonstrator
- three adjudicators will be present
Prep room:
- table with prepared index cards
- three adjudicators will be present

Protocol:

The Demonstrator stands in the middle of the Test Room with feet parallel, hands raised into “embrace the tree” posture (i.e. feet shoulder-width, parallel, hands held out in front of shoulders palms facing back as if "embracing a tree).

A group of 30 potential test subjects, who have passed Stipulation #4, will be gathered in the Prep room with 3 Adjudicators whilst the Demonstrator will wait with the other 3 Adjudicators in Test room.

One set of the index cards numbered 1 to 30 will be shuffled and one card given to each test subject by an Adjudicator, the other set will be shuffled by another Adjudicator and dropped in the box in a loose fashion. One at a time an index card will be withdrawn from the box and the test subject whose number matches this card will be escorted into the Test Room and handed to the care of one of the Test Room Adjudicators.

The test subject will be given instruction by one of the adjudicators on how to stand and how to touch the forearms of the Demonstrator using only their finger tips.

An Adjudicator will flip a coin and if the result is ‘heads’ then the test subject will stand before the Demonstrator in a well-rooted bow-stance and will touch the Demonstrator's forearms with only their fingers.

The Demonstrator will have 30secs to attempt to physically move the test subject (i.e. instantly shear him off his feet, both feet clear of the ground in a single moment, and send him backwards 3-4 feet) with the test subject only touching the forearms of the Demonstrator with their fingers.

If the coin flip result is ‘tails’ then the Demonstrator makes no attempt HOWEVER the test subject must still take up the test stance and touch the forearms of the Demonstrator as if a test was to take place. Only the Demonstrator will make NO attempt to demonstrate fajin.

After either an attempt or a non-attempt the test subject will be escorted from the room (via another door – i.e. the test subject will not be permitted to have any interaction with other possible test subjects) by an Adjudicator.

The test will be repeated with a different test subject until a total of 10 actual (i.e. the Demonstrator does attempt to physically move the test subject) attempts have been conducted.

Time required:

No more than 1 hour.
 
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Not a bad start. Has Michael Phillips already agreed to this specific protocol or has he just agreed to be tested in general?

Also, these types of tests should have self-evident results that do not require "adjudicators." There might be some people who can do measurments, etc., but there should be no judges who make subjective decisions. The results should be obvious to everyone in the room and everyone watching a live video feed or subequent recording.

Also, there would have to be a more exact agreement about what is a "hit." Actually your description of a "hit" is pretty good, but it should probably include what is not a hit, as well. It should be made clear that stepping back doesn't count, hopping back two feet doesn't count, etc. This prevents applicants (if they should fail the test) from successfully retro-fitting misses into hits. They still try, but it helps a lot if they've already agreed to what counts as a miss.

I also think it will be hard to find test subjects who will be willing to go in as blind as you are suggesting. I know if I were a test subject and I were asked to walk into a room and touch a man I'd never met (and who was standing in a strange posture) lightly on the forearm, I'd be worried that I was in store for some sort of electric shock or something. I'd be extremely apprehensive.

So those are things that I think need to be worked out, but I still think you have a fairly reasonable start, assuming the demonstrators are on board, which is not clear at this point.

Ward
 
To get a hoppy toad you need some kind of upward force, So the person would have to be pushing down.

The "fajing" resultant force is effectively from the rear foot to the contacting arm - the basis of this is your connection to the ground. In a rush and can't find a better diagram - see http://ismag.iay.org.uk/issue-4/how-to.htm
So like a number of magic tricks a tiny adjustment of how you push back acts like a bigger push up/ down etc as you manipulate the pusher's force. His body adjusts to stay stable.
Oh and you teach your students to jump as said. One guy's student gave me a patronizing lecture on how recovering by a small step back was "low level" and they were taught the "advanced" method of recovering in the more "harmonized" wuji stance - i.e. vertical, so they trotted backwards for yards when their teacher pushed them.
 
wardenclyffe:

Michael and co. haven't agreed to a specific protocol (as this is a draft) but have agreed to be tested in general.

Thanks for your comments, excellent points ;-)
 
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