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[Continuation] Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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So the answer is you cannot think of any. It is just another example of ad hominem.

JayUtah has both thought of and provided an accurate and complete answer to your request for a citation. Your entire body of work in this thread (and several others) leaves no room for doubt in any rational person's mind that you consistently and persistently promote conspiracies over all mundane and accurate explanations provided by persons with actual knowledge and experience in the topics under discussion.
 
How can it have been downplayed when there wasn't an EV issue? The fire started in a diesel car.


I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.
 
I remarked that it appeared to be a lithium-ion fire from what people in the general public claiming to be familiar with such matters commented...
You cited people claiming to have worked at car dealerships and parking garages. There's nothing about those jobs that should make you conclude that they have the slightest expertise as to what "appears to be a Li-ion fire". You even defended this by saying how impressed you were with the salesman's knowledge when you bought your car (which you said you chose on Them the advice of your son because you don't know anything about cars). All a good car salesman needs to know is what all the buttons and knobs do, and the basic specs of the vehicle. I've known plenty of car salesman who wouldn't know the first thing about fixing them, let alone exactly what a Li-ion vs gasoline vs diesel car fire looks like.

...the speed of the fire and its sheer intensity, together with the floor collapsing.
You've been shown video demonstrating how fast a car can become engulfed in fire, and how intense that fire often is. So even if you had successfully demonstrated that the fire service was there as quickly as you say (and you didn't demonstrate that), it only takes a matter of a few minutes for a car to become engulfed in flames. The "sheer intensity" is a result of hundreds of other highly flammable vehicles being confined in close proximity to each other. The floor collapse is easily explained by the weakening of steel brackets caused by the fire. It's a common result of such fires.

You're just pretending to know that there's something suspicious about the incidents because that feeds your CT narrative and your pretense of being too clever to be fooled.

We have only be shown a small amount of CCTV...
Why would we expect 100% CCTV coverage of the garage?

...and have not been given any information as to the make, year and model of the vehicle concerned.
Other than actual images showing a particular generation of Land Rover Discovery, you mean?

We have been told it is a diesel-fueled vehicle with a fire that started in the engine bay due to a probable electrical fault but we really need to see the full report to understand why the Beds F&RS could not contain the fire.
No, we don't need to see the report to understand how a car fire could spread so fast in a matter of minutes. Your ignorance-based assumptions about how a car would catch fire and burn have already been corrected. You're attempts to place the fire service with water on the fire within a few minutes have been poorly reasoned.

1) Cars often become consumed in flames in a matter of a few minutes.

2) The fire service didn't just drive the huge pumper trucks up the ramps to the level where the burning car was no matter when they arrived.

I am sceptical it is as simple as they claim.
And your skepticism is based entirely on your pretension that you are knowledgeable enough to discern "anomalies" regarding the reported cause.
 
Anyone who thinks a fire in an enclosed, well ventilated, multifloor area containing multiple containers of highly flammable is, indeed explosive, liquid is ever'simple' is just broadcasting their ignorance.
 
Anyone who thinks a fire in an enclosed, well ventilated, multifloor area containing multiple containers of highly flammable is, indeed explosive, liquid is ever'simple' is just broadcasting their ignorance.

A number of people have pointed out the incredible amount of embodied energy in a fuel tank full of petroleum products, but clearly nothing has sunk in.

I'm beginning to think that someone missed out on the most important advice parents can drill into their children:

"Be quiet and listen, when the adults are talking, you might learn something."
 
I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.

I'd rather wait and see what Vixen actually comes up with, rather than speculating, which has the effect of deflecting from the questions she's been asked (not to mention being unlikely to be anywhere near as wild as what she'll actually produce).
 
A number of people have pointed out the incredible amount of embodied energy in a fuel tank full of petroleum products, but clearly nothing has sunk in.

I'm beginning to think that someone missed out on the most important advice parents can drill into their children:

"Be quiet and listen, when the adults are talking, you might learn something."

I find that the worst mistake anyone can make on this forum is to assume that they are the cleverest person in the room, those who do normally have their mistake highlighted pretty quickly, even if they aren't able to realise it themselves. Even those who might claim the title are often trumped by specialised or practical knowledge of the situation under discussion,it's what's so good about this forum. Of course, the people who genuinely are that clever don't need to be defensive when someone else knows more on a specific subject.
 
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To reiterate, the Fast Stream process’s “success rate” is not the test’s pass rate that you continue to flex. You continued obfuscation in this thread only emphasises you're lack of understanding of the process and how shallow your perceived flex of your logic cognition was/is.
 
I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.

Yes, but she has a problem. She previously used a still from the video of a car on fire (allegedly?) in the car park and claimed that car was (1) the initial car and (2) clearly a hybrid or EV.

Now she's given up on the claim it was an initial car (or should I say, "for now"?), but she'd like it to be evidence that a hybrid was involved and perhaps to blame for the destruction of a car park.

Sadly, the video doesn't show any other car on fire near the supposed hybrid. That's an issue. If it's not the initial car and it's not near another car on fire, then did it just coincidentally catch fire around the same time? In a similar location? Etc.
 
Literally your entire opus at this forum.


The trouble is that, being a conspiracy theorist, Vixen lacks the critical thinking and logic skills to recognise the conspiracy theories she promotes as conspiracy theories. She thinks that, for example, Bill Clinton having Soviet-era military hardware smuggled from Estonia to Sweden because he wanted to be thought of as a “'Middle East Peacemaker' extraordinaire” is a perfectly reasonable idea.
 
Oh, for Christ's sake! You've literally implicated the British PM and his wife in your conspiracy theory.

Oh come on. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and his wife Akshata Murty, daughter of Infosys multi-billionaire, who came to be elected as an MP after he was introduced to then PM David Cameron by Indian President Modi, easily earn £2,000,000 in share dividends per annum alone without lifting a finger. Sunak has a company in the Cayman Islands (read: secrecy) and all of his assets are listed in the Parliamentary interest as being on a 'blind register'. Even Cameron and Boris Johnson never hid behind a 'blind register' as it is important for public servants in high places to be seen to be completely transparent, spotless and without conflicts of interest. Why would Sunak want to be in a high-stress job earning less than £200,000 per annum as UK Prime Minister other than to enhance his business interests. He has a whole fleet of Land Rover Jaguar vehicles and via his wife close links with Tata, who have been given all kinds of generous grants by the current PM to trade in the UK.

Of course the embargo on the cause of the Luton Airport car park fire is directly due to Sunak protecting his personal financial interests. Mark my words.


In the 2018 Liverpool ECHO car park fire we were told straight away what make the culprit vehicle was.
 
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OK. A non-exhaustive sample:

This ridiculous thread.

This ridiculous thread.

And, of course, your ridiculous contributions to this interminable thread.

The first two are current affairs topics which were moved to conspiracy theories in order to give posters a green flag to relentlessly hurl abuse for fun. The current topic is of general public interest. If it doesn't interest you, it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory! As for the MV Estonia this too is a current affairs topic and indeed there has been much publicity in the mass media about the new investigation. This catastrophe which immediately killed a thousand people including babies, children, mothers, grandmothers, men, almost the entire Stockholm police union cohort, happened in my local area and this part of the world is naturally my area of interest just as others is theirs. One of the USA's most famous mariner was also interested in this topic (Greg Bemis). I don't think you understand what a conspiracy theorist is.

As for the third link to Crimes and Trials, that particular murder, too, was of great interest in the mass media. The idea that there was some kind of conspiracy to 'get the American woman' is not mine.

A conspiracy theory is one in which a mysterious cabal of people presume to want to rule the world. For example, Hitler's belief in a Jewish conspiracy to not only instigate communism but to paradoxically dominate banking, or David Icke's belief that the Royal Family are lizards and part of an underground cabal who live deep within the earth controlling world events. (I feel sure Icke borrowed heavily from Jim Morrison's poems about the 'Lizard Kings'.) Wanting to understand how an appalling accident or a murder happened is hardly a conspiracy theory. Yes, people want to understand how the towers collapsed in 9/11 but that is not a conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theorists are those who believe it was some kind of Zionist plot by Mossad, the classic example of a conspiracy theory.

So perhaps get your definitions clear. 'Conspiracy theorist' does not mean 'someone I disagree with because I am not interested in the same topics they are interested in'.
 
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The first two are current affairs topics which were moved to conspiracy theories in order to give posters a green flag to relentlessly hurl abuse for fun.


The fact that they were recent doesn't mean that they aren't conspiracy theories.
 
The trouble is that, being a conspiracy theorist, Vixen lacks the critical thinking and logic skills to recognise the conspiracy theories she promotes as conspiracy theories. She thinks that, for example, Bill Clinton having Soviet-era military hardware smuggled from Estonia to Sweden because he wanted to be thought of as a “'Middle East Peacemaker' extraordinaire” is a perfectly reasonable idea.

That is a matter of fact. Learn to recognise factual information.
 
The fact that they were recent doesn't mean that they aren't conspiracy theories.

Where is the 'mysterious cabal' who secretly rule the world? Where are the sinister scientists with their dodgy vaccines loaded with silicon chips designed to connect to the nearest mast?

For crying out loud, we are talking about a massive fire that destroyed up to 1,500 vehicles and collapsed an entire multi-storey modern airport car park within yards of an international airport, albeit mostly budget airlines. This happened 10 October 2023 and thus is perfectly contemporaneous with the date of the OP.

How is it a conspiracy theory to want to understand how so?
 
The fact that they were recent doesn't mean that they aren't conspiracy theories.

Nonsense. I was called a conspiracy theorist in the Nicola Bulley case yet I was one of the tiny handful of people who correctly pinpointed the cause of her 'disappearance' as being due to mental health issues. One person even sent me an obscene emoji for even daring to broach the topic.

Let's face it, claiming I am a 'conspiracy theorist' (haha) is just a flimsy excuse for gratuitous personal attack.
 
Where is the 'mysterious cabal' who secretly rule the world? Where are the sinister scientists with their dodgy vaccines loaded with silicon chips designed to connect to the nearest mast?


If you want to talk about those, perhaps you should start a thread about them.

For crying out loud, we are talking about a massive fire that destroyed up to 1,500 vehicles and collapsed an entire multi-storey modern airport car park within yards of an international airport, albeit mostly budget airlines. This happened 10 October 2023 and thus is perfectly contemporaneous with the date of the OP.


https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally

How is it a conspiracy theory to want to understand how so?


But that's not what you've been doing. You've been pushing a conspiracy theory that it was caused by an EV, and that this is being hushed up. You have been desperately trying to avoid understanding how so.
 
Seems like her entire opus at this forum, except perhaps for a side quest about apostrophes.

Again, a massive personal attack just because a couple of individuals didn't know about the use of primes in denoting time durations. Likewise the issue with the freaking winter coat and the belief clothes make you immediately sink in water. It wasn't me that had the problem!
 
If you want to talk about those, perhaps you should start a thread about them.




https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally




But that's not what you've been doing. You've been pushing a conspiracy theory that it was caused by an EV, and that this is being hushed up. You have been desperately trying to avoid understanding how so.

I stand by that belief that there is a cover up over the involvement of EV vehicles. Let's see whether the report due in September downplays the EV element or whether they are completely transparent, re make, model and year of said vehicle/s involved.
 
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To reiterate, the Fast Stream process’s “success rate” is not the test’s pass rate that you continue to flex. You continued obfuscation in this thread only emphasises you're lack of understanding of the process and how shallow your perceived flex of your logic cognition was/is.

There is no point in applying mass exams if there is no pass rate. Most public exams are standardized so that there is a pass mark.
 
Nonsense. I was called a conspiracy theorist in the Nicola Bulley case...


Do you think that might have something to do with you suggesting, for example, that the body was found by an undercover police officer who was, for reasons unknown, posing as a psychic?
 
I stand by that belief that there is a cover up over the involvement of EV vehicles. Let's see whether the report due in September downplays the EV element or whether they are completely transparent, re make, model and year of said vehicle/s involved.

No, you specifically doubted that the car where the fire started was a diesel. You were, to varying degrees, insinuating and outright claiming that the fire started in an EV, and that the authorities were colluding in trying to hide this.

It has been unequivocally stated, from very early on, that the fire started in a diesel. What 'EV element' is being covered up now?
 
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Again, a massive personal attack just because a couple of individuals didn't know about the use of primes in denoting time durations. Likewise the issue with the freaking winter coat and the belief clothes make you immediately sink in water. It wasn't me that had the problem!

IIRC, it was just one individual that had the problem with the use of primes.
 
Nonsense. I was called a conspiracy theorist in the Nicola Bulley case...


I've now checked both the "Nicola Bulley, missing persons case" and the "Medium finds missing woman in UK river" threads for the word "conspiracy", and have found no posts calling you a conspiracy theorist.

The nearest I could see is someone calling this "conspiracy theory nonsense".
 
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