[Continuation] Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

[novaphile]

Haven't you heard the word?

'bout the bird, bird, bird...

 

[GlennB]

Haven't you heard the word?

The Word is aaaaaauummmm ...

 

[JayUtah]

Vixen can claim she drives whatever she wants. It's clear she won't be telling us, and it's likely that whatever she tells us will be only a self-serving approximation to the truth. It's also likely that any further attempt to get her to substantiate her argument will result in little more than an ongoing grievance tantrum.

The vehicle that started the Luton fire was not "any sort of hybrid," nor is it the vehicle Vixen drives. The initial evidence is the declaration of its owner when specifically asked. The notion that the owner would be unaware of the hybrid drive train on a Range Rover is absurd on its face and not cured by whatever Vixen drives. The dispositive evidence is the inspection of the car by expert fire service investigators, providing confirmation of the owner's declaration. Again, none of this is affected by Vixen's car—mythical or otherwise.

There is no legitimate reason to keep raising the issue of a stealth hybrid or random lithium ion batteries stashed somewhere in the vehicle. Vixen is doing so simply to continue her obsession over what she insists are unanswered anomalies. But this has no purpose beyond validating her pretense to expertise. No one is obliged to grant her begged questions that the smoke and flames somehow still indicate a lithium ion battery fire.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

'bout the bird, bird, bird...

Everybody knows the bird is the word

 

[Vixen]

It is interesting to note that that same model has had several different issues with fuel leaks between 2010 and 2016 (although they only mention the petrol models, the diesel model has the same tank, so I don't see why only the petrol models have the recall???) with the high pressure fuel lines having a rubber seal leak on the fuel tank itself, as well as tanks actually cracking at one of the seams- so it isn't exactly an unknown issue they have had fuel delivery system issues...

And how strange- the fuel lines from the tank to the engine just happens to run down the passengers side of the body from the back to the front of the vehicle- exactly where the fire appears to be coming from in the video released of the car on fire at Luton airport???

(it even has a joint directly under the passengers seat underneath!!!)

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"Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice

If this is an inherent problem for this brand, why did Beds F&R Service not reveal the car ID sooner? Or Jaguar Land Rover not issue a recall?

Speaking of which, here is what the JLR Sport hybrid model has its lithium battery (non-UK version as the UK drives on the left).

I honestly think there should be a public inquiry into:

• How the fire in the vehicle reached such an intensity in so short a time
• Why lessons were not learnt from Liverpool
• Why Beds F&R Services had no idea there was a water tank available nearby in the airport instead of having to use up valuable time looking elsewhere.

The report claims the owner rang up 999 so why wasn't he there when the two Romanian ladies attempted to quell the fire. As of that stage it didn't look dangerous to them. In addition, the fire started 10 Oct 2023 yet police didn't interview the driver until 23 Oct 2023 so it does look as though he went off somewhere on a flight abroad.

The public needs to have the full information as it needs to know how and why the 1,300 cars were destroyed. As Tommy Cooper might have said, "Just like that".

 

[JayUtah]

How the fire in the vehicle reached such an intensity in so short a time
* * *
The public needs to have the full information as it needs to know how and why the 1,300 cars were destroyed. As Tommy Cooper might have said, "Just like that".

No.

You are not "the public." The notion that the fire propagation sequence at Luton was somehow anomalous is a question you're begging. You're doing so only to beg validation for your inaccurate, uninformed armchair analysis. You are not a forensic engineer. Your naive expectations are not the yardstick by which a public investigation should be funded and conducted.

 

[JayUtah]

In addition, the fire started 10 Oct 2023 yet police didn't interview the driver until 23 Oct 2023 so it does look as though he went off somewhere on a flight abroad.

What is that you keep whining about? Spreading rumors about people and making false accusations? The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[JayUtah]

Speaking of which, here is what the JLR Sport hybrid model has its lithium battery...

Irrelevant. The initial vehicle in the Luton fire was not any kind of hybrid.

 

[Mojo]

The report claims the owner rang up 999 so why wasn't he there when the two Romanian ladies attempted to quell the fire.

This is just a guess, but perhaps once he'd told the 999 operator that he'd used two fire extinguishers but failed to extinguish the fire they told him to get to a place of safety and wait for the fire services.

The public needs to have the full information as it needs to know how and why the 1,300 cars were destroyed.

Have you tried reading the report, in particular the section headed "fire progression" et seq?

 

[Steve]

This is just a guess, but perhaps once he'd told the 999 operator that he'd used two fire extinguishers but failed to extinguish the fire they told him to get to a place of safety and wait for the fire services.




Have you tried reading the report, in particular the section headed "fire progression" et seq?

I think the answer is that Romanian women are so much more courageous and skilled at firefighting than British men. After all there is no other reason I can see for raising their nationality. As first hand witnesses they, rather than Bedford Fire, should probably have been engaged to write the report. Then there would be no doubts or questions about a cover up. (I wonder if Vixen is well versed in reading Romanian).

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I honestly think there should be a public inquiry into:

• How the fire in the vehicle reached such an intensity in so short a time
• Why lessons were not learnt from Liverpool
• Why Beds F&R Services had no idea there was a water tank available nearby in the airport instead of having to use up valuable time looking elsewhere.

You have no idea how this vehicle fire compares to other vehicle fires in terms of the speed with which it took hold and the intensity with which it burned. Why should we hold a public inquiry to investigate something you haven't even established is unusual?

You've asked the Liverpool question before and the answer as before is the Luton car park was designed before the Liverpool report came out and there were no requirements, then current or applied retrospectively, which it failed to meet. Unless you know different. In which case you might have a valid cause to ask for an inquiry. Do you have anything like that?

Regarding the water available on site, there were problems, but not as you describe, and the report deals with them. Why does it need a public inquiry to repeat that work? And it might be helpful if you read the report with a bit more care before demanding public inquiries into things which did not happen.

The report claims the owner rang up 999 so why wasn't he there when the two Romanian ladies attempted to quell the fire. As of that stage it didn't look dangerous to them.

The report says the driver located and used two fire extinguishers (and we see two extinguishers in photos) then he called 999. So by the time of his call the fire was intense enough that two extinguishers couldn't deal with it and by 5 minutes later another 3 cars were ablaze.

It doesn't mention any Romanian ladies. What did they use to try to quell the fire, and how do you know the driver was not there when they were?

In addition, the fire started 10 Oct 2023 yet police didn't interview the driver until 23 Oct 2023 so it does look as though he went off somewhere on a flight abroad.

You don't know when the driver was first questioned. You know a date when he was (temporarily) arrested and just assume that's the same thing.

 

[Dabop]

Apart from Vixens posts, I have never seen mention of these 'two Romanian ladies' anywhere else...
Could this be yet another of Vixens 'misdirections' aka lies????

On a related note- does the sun rise in the east? Is water wet? Do dog bark and cats meow?

 

[JayUtah]

Indeed, the latest is just a lame attempt to resuscitate her conspiracy theory back into the semblance of life. The official report is somehow deficient because it doesn't address her conspiracy claims. Conspiracy theorists always overestimate their own relevance and the objective credibility of their claims.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

It's like complaining the 9/11 NIST report doesn't debunk the idea the hijackers were romulans.

 

[Metullus]

It's like complaining the 9/11 NIST report doesn't debunk the idea the hijackers were romulans.

Well, to be fair, it is equally possible that they were Vulcans...

 

[Vixen]

You have no idea how this vehicle fire compares to other vehicle fires in terms of the speed with which it took hold and the intensity with which it burned. Why should we hold a public inquiry to investigate something you haven't even established is unusual?

You've asked the Liverpool question before and the answer as before is the Luton car park was designed before the Liverpool report came out and there were no requirements, then current or applied retrospectively, which it failed to meet. Unless you know different. In which case you might have a valid cause to ask for an inquiry. Do you have anything like that?

Regarding the water available on site, there were problems, but not as you describe, and the report deals with them. Why does it need a public inquiry to repeat that work? And it might be helpful if you read the report with a bit more care before demanding public inquiries into things which did not happen.


The report says the driver located and used two fire extinguishers (and we see two extinguishers in photos) then he called 999. So by the time of his call the fire was intense enough that two extinguishers couldn't deal with it and by 5 minutes later another 3 cars were ablaze.

It doesn't mention any Romanian ladies. What did they use to try to quell the fire, and how do you know the driver was not there when they were?


You don't know when the driver was first questioned. You know a date when he was (temporarily) arrested and just assume that's the same thing.

From BBC webpage:

The video was said to have been taken shortly after the fire began on the third floor of the car park.

The woman who filmed the blaze was there to pick up relatives.

"We saw there was a fire [but] the fire extinguisher from this floor was used, so we went to another floor to take another," she said.

"But at that moment when we came to the car, it exploded and we couldn't come near."

It was as early as 11 October 2023 they settled on the 'electrical fault in diesel engine' theme:

AA technical expert Greg Carter said the most common cause of car fires is an electrical fault with the 12-volt battery system.

He added that diesel is “much less flammable” than petrol, and in a car it takes “intense pressure or sustained flame” to ignite diesel.

Evening Standard

 

[JayUtah]

It's like complaining the 9/11 NIST report doesn't debunk the idea the hijackers were romulans.

Well, to be fair, it is equally possible that they were Vulcans...

Judy Wood literally filed a lawsuit in federal court in New York alleging fraud in that the NIST investigation did not properly consider the "likely" use of directed-energy weapons in the 9/11 attacks. I can't remember if disruptors qualify as DEWs, but phasers certainly do. Naturally the suit was dismissed as pseudo-legal quackery, but still.

It's just hard to believe that there exists a segment of the population that takes all the attention-grabbing nonsense on social media so seriously that it can't seem to envision that an entire real world exists out there completely independent of the conspiracy-fantasy world.

 

[JayUtah]

It was as early as 11 October 2023 they settled on the 'electrical fault in diesel engine' theme...

Alleging a relevant proposition is not "settling," and you provide no evidence that this statement—or any other of the kind—is the basis for the conclusions draw. This is just a sad fringe reset.

You are not important. The official report is not somehow deficient because you say it is. It is not somehow deficient because it doesn't address claims spoon-fed to your uninformed imagination by social-media attention seekers. You are not a forensic engineer. Your objections are not founded in either fact or knowledge. You do not hold the high moral ground. You are running around like a headless chicken accusing people left and right of heinous acts based on nothing more than your imagination.

Get over yourself.

 

[Myriad]

AA technical expert Greg Carter said the most common cause of car fires is an electrical fault with the 12-volt battery system.

Not only are anonymous alcoholics an unreliable source of technical information, but cars don't even use AA batteries.

 

[JayUtah]

Not only are anonymous alcoholics an unreliable source of technical information, but cars don't even use AA batteries.

Carter is welcome to his opinion and his journalism degree. The notion that diesel fuel will not ignite without pressure or sustained flame has been thoroughly debunked, and is just absurd on its face. But just like Vixen can never remember all the lies she tells—even when she's regularly reminded of them—she can't seem to remember any of the times she's been corrected on technical topics that are obviously way out of her depth.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

From BBC webpage:

From that link:

John Shaw, 30, from Oxford, was told by call handlers he was the first person to dial 999 after he spotted the flames at Luton Airport at 20:45 BST on 10 October.

He was returning from a family trip to Romania with his partner and nine-month-old daughter.

I would hazard a guess that John Shaw is neither Romanian, nor a lady.

Neither did he or his family fight the fire:

We were sat there not knowing what to do, whether to evacuate or not. Everybody was in a state of panic and then it starts spreading to the floor above," he said.

"As this happens, my car comes into sight in the car park. I get my daughter, partner and luggage into the car and evacuate as quickly as possible."

Further on, we have this:

The woman who filmed the blaze was there to pick up relatives.

"We saw there was a fire [but] the fire extinguisher from this floor was used, so we went to another floor to take another," she said.

"But at that moment when we came to the car, it exploded and we couldn't come near."

Only one lady, no mention of her being Romanian, and she didn't fight the fire either.

So, Vixen, two questions:
Did you read your own link, as it clearly doesn't support your claim?
And
Do you have any actual evidence that two Romanian ladies helped to fight the fire?
The third option, of course, is that you admit you were wrong.
Wait.

Yeah. Never going to happen.

 

[Craig4]

If this is an inherent problem for this brand, why did Beds F&R Service not reveal the car ID sooner? Or Jaguar Land Rover not issue a recall?

Speaking of which, here is what the JLR Sport hybrid model has its lithium battery (non-UK version as the UK drives on the left).

[qimg]https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/700016711359add2c4.png[/qimg]

I honestly think there should be a public inquiry into:

• How the fire in the vehicle reached such an intensity in so short a time
• Why lessons were not learnt from Liverpool
• Why Beds F&R Services had no idea there was a water tank available nearby in the airport instead of having to use up valuable time looking elsewhere.

The report claims the owner rang up 999 so why wasn't he there when the two Romanian ladies attempted to quell the fire. As of that stage it didn't look dangerous to them. In addition, the fire started 10 Oct 2023 yet police didn't interview the driver until 23 Oct 2023 so it does look as though he went off somewhere on a flight abroad.

The public needs to have the full information as it needs to know how and why the 1,300 cars were destroyed. As Tommy Cooper might have said, "Just like that".

Think that all you want. You're the part of the public no one needs to worry about.

 

[jimbob]

Irrelevant. The initial vehicle in the Luton fire was not any kind of hybrid.

BuT wHaT iF iT wAs? That would change everything.

 

[zooterkin]

It was as early as 11 October 2023 they settled on the 'electrical fault in diesel engine' theme:

Evening Standard

Imagine that, choosing the most likely cause and it turning out to be correct!

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Imagine that, choosing the most likely cause and it turning out to be correct!

If you're out on the prairie and you hear hoof beats you think "Horses" not "Zebras", and once they're galloped past and you've confirmed that they are indeed horses, not zebras you ignore the annoying voice from the back shouting "But what if they're zebras with their stripes covered by boot polish?"

 

[Reformed Offlian]

From that link:


I would hazard a guess that John Shaw is neither Romanian, nor a lady.

John Shaw is the bravest, warmest, most Romanian ladylike lady that I have ever known in my life.

 

[JesseCuster]

Not only are anonymous alcoholics an unreliable source of technical information, but cars don't even use AA batteries.

But cars can be modified to run on alcohol as a fuel. Maybe it was one of those homemade diesel/alcohol/electric hybrids.

Has Bedfordshire fire and rescue specifically said that the engine wasn't designed or modified to use alcohol as a fuel? Why not? I think that's suspicious and the fact that it's not mentioned in the report is suspicious.

Alcohol is an extremely volatile and flammable liquid. In my expert opinion based on something I saw in a YouTube video alcohol could easily explain the rapid escalation of the fire.

Does Keir Starmer or his in laws have shares in Diageo?

 

[Dabop]

But cars can be modified to run on alcohol as a fuel. Maybe it was one of those homemade diesel/alcohol/electric hybrids.

Has Bedfordshire fire and rescue specifically said that the engine wasn't designed or modified to use alcohol as a fuel? Why not? I think that's suspicious and the fact that it's not mentioned in the report is suspicious.

Alcohol is an extremely volatile and flammable liquid. In my expert opinion based on something I saw in a YouTube video alcohol could easily explain the rapid escalation of the fire.

Does Keir Starmer or his in laws have shares in Diageo?

They also did NOT specifically rule out that it wasn't driven by a warp core-and we saw what happened to the Enterprise...
(AND the flames colours match a warp core breech!!!)


AHHA- Bedfordshire Fire are deliberately covering up that the Range Rover was a diesel, alcohol, hybrid, Dilithium crystal powered vehicle!!!!

Join the dots sheeples!!!!

 

[welshdean]

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!11!!!

 

[Steve]

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!11!!!

We have a poster here who claims to have done exactly that. Research that cannot be refuted by any other research conducted by any other person. Even by those who are actually educated and employed in relevant fields. Research by google always reveals the stark truth behind official subterfuge.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

But cars can be modified to run on alcohol as a fuel. Maybe it was one of those homemade diesel/alcohol/electric hybrids.

Has Bedfordshire fire and rescue specifically said that the engine wasn't designed or modified to use alcohol as a fuel? Why not? I think that's suspicious and the fact that it's not mentioned in the report is suspicious.

Alcohol is an extremely volatile and flammable liquid. In my expert opinion based on something I saw in a YouTube video alcohol could easily explain the rapid escalation of the fire.

Does Keir Starmer or his in laws have shares in Diageo?

Actually an expert on YouTube (he once passed a screwdriver to a car mechanic) has released this super secret, D-Notice suppressed close up, enhanced picture of the Landrover driving into the garage...

 

[Carrot Flower King]

But cars can be modified to run on alcohol as a fuel. Maybe it was one of those homemade diesel/alcohol/electric hybrids.

Has Bedfordshire fire and rescue specifically said that the engine wasn't designed or modified to use alcohol as a fuel? Why not? I think that's suspicious and the fact that it's not mentioned in the report is suspicious.

Alcohol is an extremely volatile and flammable liquid. In my expert opinion based on something I saw in a YouTube video alcohol could easily explain the rapid escalation of the fire.

Does Keir Starmer or his in laws have shares in Diageo?

Back in the day ITV news finished a bulletin with a piece about a car (in Brazil, IIRC) which could run on orange juice, so how about one which runs on screwdrivers or similar?

 

[JesseCuster]

Back in the day ITV news finished a bulletin with a piece about a car (in Brazil, IIRC) which could run on orange juice, so how about one which runs on screwdrivers or similar?

An environmentally friendly car that dispenses cocktails. Someone should patent that idea.

 

[SteveAitch]

Back in the day ITV news finished a bulletin with a piece about a car (in Brazil, IIRC) which could run on orange juice, so how about one which runs on screwdrivers or similar?

They all can, but OPEC pay the car manufacturers billions to hide the switch that turns that option on.

 

[zooterkin]

Meanwhile, JLR fail to suppress another story about Jaguar cars actually being liable to bursting into flame. The story was leaked by, oh, wait a minute, JLR themselves.

As Jaguar attempts to roll out its rebranding with all the finesse of a cat stuck in a bathtub, it’s also grappling with something far more combustible. The company has announced it will buy back around 2,760 I-Pace electric vehicles from 2018, citing a significant fire risk linked to faulty battery cells. That’s right—Jaguar’s EV poster child is headed for an early retirement, not only because of lacklustre sales, but because it might just spontaneously combust in your garage.

 

[Vixen]

Meanwhile, JLR fail to suppress another story about Jaguar cars actually being liable to bursting into flame. The story was leaked by, oh, wait a minute, JLR themselves.

Tata Jaguar Land Rover has had a terrible record for a long time. It is no wonder they need a rebrand. It was the cause of both the Liverpool Echo and the Luton Airport fire and leading target of car thieves due to easily tampered with electronics. People were having trouble getting affordable insurance, if any at all.

As for JLR marketing, this now seems to be in the hands of pony-tail wearing creative types aiming at an imaginary market of wealthy 20-somethings into pink monstrosities, making the statement, 'Considerably wealthier greener than yeeowwww!!!' in case you didn't notice.

 

[Mojo]

Tata Jaguar Land Rover has had a terrible record for a long time. It is no wonder they need a rebrand. It was the cause of both the Liverpool Echo and the Luton Airport fire and leading target of car thieves due to easily tampered with electronics. People were having trouble getting affordable insurance, if any at all.

And all this while negative coverage was being hushed up to protect Rishi's investments.

 

[zooterkin]

And all this while negative coverage was being hushed up to protect Rishi's investments.

Exactly.

 

[Rolfe]

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