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Kentucky Sheriff fatally shoots District Judge inside Kentucky Courtroom

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Letcher County Sheriff Shawn M. Stines (reported as Mickey Stines in some reports, so I'm assuming that's the M) has been arrested and charged with first degree murder after fatally shooting District Judge Kevin Mullins after an undisclosed argument inside the judge's chambers of the Letcher County Courthouse in Whitesburg Kentucky. Stines surrendered to Courthouse Law Enforcement Officers without incident after the shooting. No other injuries reported.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/us/kentucky-judge-shot-chambers/index.html
 
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Still not a lot of details but the article states the Sheriff is "cooperating" so we should learn SOMETHING sooner or later.
 
Wikipedia says these two were involved in some kind of rape allegations:

Stines had previously had a lawsuit filed against him in 2022 in connection with allegations that a sheriff's deputy had pressured a woman into having sexual intercourse with him for favorable treatment. Additionally, the suit says the abuse occurred in the chamber of Judge Mullins but doesn’t say he was aware of it or allege he was involved in any wrongdoing.[5]

It doesn't name the judge in the suit but if rape is happening in his chambers, it's not a stretch to think theres a connection.
 
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From OP article

A preliminary investigation found Letcher County Sheriff Shawn M. Stines shot Mullins after an argument inside the judge’s chambers, according to state police.

It's preliminary, granted. Difficult to believe that there would be any self-defense claim. Unless he had a gun in his chamber's office desk - and it's Kentucky, so maybe it's possible.

Wikipedia says these two were involved in some kind of rape allegations:

It doesn't name the judge in the suit but if rape is happening in his chambers, it's not a stretch to think theres a connection.

If I were a gambling man, I place my bet on this. Murder of an elected judge, in most cases, falls under FBI jurisdiction so I hope it's taken out of the hands of local authorities.
 
Man, this will make a great cable TV movie..it has everything.

Is that ever the truth...

Suit alleges Kentucky deputy forced woman to have sex in judge's chamber in lieu of fees

The suit says the abuse occurred in the chamber of District Judge Kevin Mullins but doesn’t say he was aware of it or allege he was involved in any wrongdoing. Mullins did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Letcher County Sheriff Mickey Stines, who is named as a defendant in the suit for allegedly failing to properly train Fields, said in an interview Fields is a veteran deputy and has not been the subject of any previous complaints.

The suit says the abuse occurred in the chamber of District Judge Kevin Mullins but doesn’t say he was aware of it or allege he was involved in any wrongdoing. Mullins did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

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The suit alleges “upon information and belief there are other women Fields has similarly abused.”

It also says Sheriff Stines did not “reasonably respond” to reports or suspicions.

The suit asks for compensatory and punitive damages for assault, battery and violations of her constitutional rights.

Social media is full of claims that Mullins was abusing Stines's underage daughter.
 
So the deputy, not the judge, was (allegedly) doing the sexual abuse, using the judge's chambers, and the judge claimed no knowledge of it. The sheriff argued with the judge about the matter then shot the judge.

At least that's what I can parse out of it.
 
Yeah, a deputy and a prisoner are the focus of the suit. The judges chambers were chosen for late night or early morning rapes (allegedly) when the judge was nowhere around because there were no cameras in his chambers. But wouldn't another dozen cameras have caught the two heading into the chambers when they had no business at all being in the building? The whole suit sounds weird. The sheriff himself is accused only of dragging his feet and not taking the complaint seriously enough at first. So the sheriff and judge really had nothing to do with the suit and were only peripheral characters.

Regarding social media being abuzz with tales of the judge banging the sheriff's teenage daughter, I'd guess only two people on the planet have knowledge about that, and the rest spreading rumors that they know nothing about. The sheriff killing him, then surrendering sure fits in well with that narrative, but pretty sure we'd need more than twix retweets to begin to take it seriously.

ETA: the whole banging his daughter thing could be laid to rest quickly by ignoring all but the first tweets about it, yes? Presumably that would be something like "I'm her best friend and she has been telling me about this relationship for months". Any other "I saw it anonymously online somewhere and repeated it" tweets can be ignored
 
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Whatever quarrel it was that these two gents had, it's heartwarming to see how a gun managed to ameliorate the situation so easily.
 
So the deputy, not the judge, was (allegedly) doing the sexual abuse, using the judge's chambers, and the judge claimed no knowledge of it. The sheriff argued with the judge about the matter then shot the judge.

At least that's what I can parse out of it.

"I shot the Judge, but I did not shoot the deputy".....
 
Must not take much to surprise you.

This scenario seems a lot less surprising than any number of typical shootings.

A cop executing a judge in his own chambers and turning himself in quietly? Imma go out on a limb and call that quite surprising. Maybe a first.
 
I repeat, I am betting every film studio in Hollywood are looking at the possbilties with this story.
 
Must not take much to surprise you.

This scenario seems a lot less surprising than any number of typical shootings.

I looked but couldn’t find another case like it, but this story is dominating all the searches I’m doing. Can you point me to other examples of this happening?
 
I looked but couldn’t find another case like it, but this story is dominating all the searches I’m doing. Can you point me to other examples of this happening?
To be fair, Greg wasn't saying that this particular occurrence was typical, just that it wasn't more surprising than many other occurrences.

But I gotta say - I've been participating in gun threads on this forum for a long time, and this one made me raise an eyebrow.
 
I'm just not particularly surprised by anyone shooting anyone.
That someone shot someone in America is not surprising. That it happened in these circumstances, with these people, in this way, that surprised me. And yeah, I've seen some weird circumstances. This isn't "8-yo shoots little sister over argument about toys" which once surprised me but now does not.
 
I'm just not particularly surprised by anyone shooting anyone.

Makes a little more interesting discussion than some.

Most gunplay at the very least is hot blooded, and if not, performed by a committed criminal. This was the county's head law enforcement officer who executed a presumably unarmed judge right in the court itself, then turned himself in cooperatively. Really can't think of anything else like it.
 
There is... I dunno "deliberateness" I guess that is odd.

Shooting a judge in a courthouse is pretty low on the "I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get away with this" chart and he by all accounts just straight up surrendered with no issue right after, didn't have to be "talked down" or anything I've heard.

That is, simply as a neutral statement of fact, odd even within the context of America's overall gun problem.
 
I'm just not particularly surprised by anyone shooting anyone.

Makes a little more interesting discussion than some.
The Trump attempted assassination. John Lennon. Kids in primary school. The next door neighbour. The person at the wrong address. The person you cut off when changing lanes.

Hell. Here's video of a 14 year old girl walking around her home on her way to kill her mother with a gun.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-kil...n-gunning-down-mother-shocking-video-surfaced

Complete with cute dogs.

I can just imagine Trump. They're shooting their mothers. They're shooting their judges. They're killing the children.
 
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So the deputy, not the judge, was (allegedly) doing the sexual abuse, using the judge's chambers, and the judge claimed no knowledge of it. The sheriff argued with the judge about the matter then shot the judge.


"Det. Frank Drebin: Okay, then after he shot the teller, you shot Twice.
Sally Decker: No, I only shot once.
Capt. Ed Hocken: Twice is the hold up man.
Sally Decker: Then I guess I did shoot Twice.
Det. Frank Drebin: Oh, so now you're changing your story"
 
What a bizarre series of events. No mainstream news media has reported on the below.
...Regarding social media being abuzz with tales of the judge banging the sheriff's teenage daughter, I'd guess only two people on the planet have knowledge about that...

All the news reports say the shooting followed an argument in the judge's chambers and police are still trying to "learn the details." A local newspaper, the Kentucky Mountain Eagle reported:
Stines allegedly walked into the judge’s outer office, told court employees and others gathered there that he needed to speak with [Judge Kevin] Mullins alone. The two then went into the inner office, closed the door and those outside heard shots. Stines walked out with his hands up and surrendered to police. Mountain Eagle article link

It has not been verified that Sheriff Shawn Stines told arresting officers, "The judge needed to do hissef some dyin'!"

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It's being widely reported that the two were chummy as usual together that morning, and had made plans to do lunch together. Seems to indicate that either the Sherriff was flat out planning the execution, or was unusually short tempered about venue choice.

Kind of interesting that they say he immediately and peacefully surrendered and is being cooperative and they are charging him with first degree murder, but he is apparently not talking on the motive. Not even a lame "he charged me and I had to defend myself", which actually might have flown. With the pittance of evidence that we have now, the needle is pointing towards deliberate murder and he feels justified enough to throw his life away over the public spectacle of it (I mean come on: you can stage an accident or something if you just want someone dead). Lends a smidgen of plausibility to the banging the Sherriffs daughter rumor.
 
It's being widely reported that the two were chummy as usual together that morning, and had made plans to do lunch together. Seems to indicate that either the Sherriff was flat out planning the execution, or was unusually short tempered about venue choice.

Wuddya mean you ain't doin Chick-Fil-A again?!

Kind of interesting that they say he immediately and peacefully surrendered and is being cooperative and they are charging him with first degree murder, but he is apparently not talking on the motive. Not even a lame "he charged me and I had to defend myself", which actually might have flown. With the pittance of evidence that we have now, the needle is pointing towards deliberate murder and he feels justified enough to throw his life away over the public spectacle of it (I mean come on: you can stage an accident or something if you just want someone dead). Lends a smidgen of plausibility to the banging the Sherriffs daughter rumor.

Or he got some weird idea that cops generally avoid accountability.
 
Oh, the judge probably had a gun. Or resisted arrest. Or judged while black. Or...
 
Looking at the pics a few posts above, I think it is confirmed that the judge was doing the sheriffs daughter. Sheriff planned it all and then calmly executed his honor. Surrendered , having accepted that the judges crimes against his daughter were worth the consequences.

It’s Kentucky. I’m surprised the girls brother didn’t shoot the judge. Anyone sleeps with my wife……..
 

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