Jussie Smollet Trial

I can't remember if it was Parcher, me, or someone else who thought it was odd that he left the noose tied up clothesline, on after the attack. Actually, maybe it was the cop who thought it was unusual. In any case, he left the noose tied up clothesline, on his neck, and it also resonated with the black juror in Smollet's trial.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...ack-juror-confused-reaction-noose/8894592002/

“As an African American person, I’m not putting that noose back on at all, ” Andre Hope told WLS-TV. At trial, Smollett testified that after the attack in downtown Chicago in January 2019, he returned home and put the rope back around his neck so police who came to his apartment soon after could see it.
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Mike! said:
Yeah, he might be able to sing and act, but thinking clearly isn't his strong suit.
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Well, in all fairness to Smollett, he only claimed to be the "Gay Tupac" and "Black Cary Grant".

If he had claimed to be the "Black and Gay Einstein", then I'd have an issue.
 
I always feel like the sentence for trying to frame someone should be the same as the sentence for whatever crime the frame was for. And that hate crime hoaxes should follow the same aggravated sentencing guidelines as actual hate crimes. And that hate crime hoaxes are effectively hate crimes.
 
Jail time was in order IMO since he maintained the lie. Haven't seen what he said today yet, if anything.
 
Former "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett was sentenced Thursday to 30 months of felony probation, ordered to pay restitution of more than $120,000 and a $25,000 fine and spend 150 days in jail for making false reports to police that he was the victim of a hate crime in January 2019.
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I am surprised by, and happy with, the sentence. I thought they would go a lot easier on him.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/10/us/jussie-smollett-sentencing-trial/index.html
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Jail time was in order IMO since he maintained the lie. Haven't seen what he said today yet, if anything.
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Smollett said:
"Your honor, I respect you and I respect the jury, but I did not do this," the actor told the judge, before turning to the court. "And I am not suicidal. And if anything happens to me when I go in there, I did not do it to myself. And you must all know that."
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Always the victim...
 
I mean normally if someone got beaten up in prison, we'd naturally assume they were the victim of prison violence, and decry the state of prisons in the US. But in Jussie's case, who knows? Is he setting the stage for further fakery? Pleading with us to take him seriously if he really is victimized? Trying to reverse-psychology his way into a mental health commutation?
 
theprestige said:
I always feel like the sentence for trying to frame someone should be the same as the sentence for whatever crime the frame was for. And that hate crime hoaxes should follow the same aggravated sentencing guidelines as actual hate crimes. And that hate crime hoaxes are effectively hate crimes.
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I like that.

RecoveringYuppy said:
Jail time was in order IMO since he maintained the lie. Haven't seen what he said today yet, if anything.
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Athyrio said:
His post-sentencing audition was audacious.
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I read he maintained his innocence but I didn't watch it. There's video?

I think I read that he owes over $100,000 for restitution, court costs...?

Youtube link, forgot the Youtube tag.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThyQ9rjQMY&ab_channel=NBCNews
 
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Well nobody can say that Smollett doesn't commit to the bit.

hard to say if this is the acting job of the century or if he's actually this delusional. Either way his erratic behavior leads me to believe he would be higher suicide risk than most. He told a whopper of a lie and has doubled down on it at every opportunity to maximize his own self-destruction. Having reality come crushing down in the form of a jail cell might be too much to bear.
 
Is 150 days enough so he won't be the bloody shirt that racists trot out every time a real racist incident happens?

Time will tell.

This is and always was a joke. Literally everything that was supposed to happen happened. It's a non-story, a nonthing burger. The system worked. He committed a crime, he was caught, convicted, and sentenced. The prosecutor didn't try to bury it, we didn't have to have nationwide outrage about it before it was acted on, nobody wrote 50 pages of fan fiction about why someone didn't run faster, just a bunch of sad "Oh I see I was totally right racism is overblown lookit my racist avatar the mods let me have no I have a go-too incident to excuse away every piece of racism that will ever happen" nonsense.
 
This had nothing to do with race. It was always about a sad clown that would go to any lengths for attention, and its catastrophic backfiring. I really hope there will be no "Whaddabout Jussie, huh, HUH?" brought up as an argument against an actual racial crime.

The takeaway should be why Chicago PD dedicated so much of their resources to investigate this celebrity claim. Pretty sure they wouldn't have swept aside mountains of open murder investigations and assembled a crack investigative team if my white ass claimed a couple black guys cracked me upside the cranium and called me cracker slurs.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Is 150 days enough so he won't be the bloody shirt that racists trot out every time a real racist incident happens?

Time will tell.

This is and always was a joke. Literally everything that was supposed to happen happened. It's a non-story, a nonthing burger. The system worked. He committed a crime, he was caught, convicted, and sentenced. The prosecutor didn't try to bury it, we didn't have to have nationwide outrage about it before it was acted on, nobody wrote 50 pages of fan fiction about why someone didn't run faster, just a bunch of sad "Oh I see I was totally right racism is overblown lookit my racist avatar the mods let me have no I have a go-too incident to excuse away every piece of racism that will ever happen" nonsense.
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I'm not sure I can agree entirely. There was definitely some prosecutorial misconduct in the initial handling of the case, in which Smollett was going to get a wrist-slap without publicly admitting guilt and the whole case was going to be sealed. Critics at the time rightly called it a whitewash or coverup, and it wasn't just race-baiting reactionaries saying so.

This conviction is the result of a special prosecutor reviving the case.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm not sure I can agree entirely. There was definitely some prosecutorial misconduct in the initial handling of the case, in which Smollett was going to get a wrist-slap without publicly admitting guilt and the whole case was going to be sealed. Critics at the time rightly called it a whitewash or coverup, and it wasn't just race-baiting reactionaries saying so.

This conviction is the result of a special prosecutor reviving the case.
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... Reviving the case after the nationwide outrage Joe says we didn't need.
 
What gets me about all of this is that it seems Smollett had absolutely nobody in his life with the standing to guide him out of this mess. His agent, his manager, his Empire co-stars, his political connections, his best friends... Nobody at all who could say to him "dude, just cop to it, maybe do some community service, wander in the wilderness for six months, and then come back to Hollywood like nothing happened. You can hang at my beach house, we'll roke fatty bowls and check out the ladies in bikinis dudes in banana hammocks. Be a vacation. You'll love it."
 
theprestige said:
What gets me about all of this is that it seems Smollett had absolutely nobody in his life with the standing to guide him out of this mess. His agent, his manager, his Empire co-stars, his political connections, his best friends... Nobody at all who could say to him "dude, just cop to it, maybe do some community service, wander in the wilderness for six months, and then come back to Hollywood like nothing happened. You can hang at my beach house, we'll roke fatty bowls and check out the ladies in bikinis dudes in banana hammocks. Be a vacation. You'll love it."
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I wonder how much any such attempt would have mattered.

This kind of hoax seems like a "all-in" moment. Even if copping to a guilty plea would have reduced any criminal consequences for him, it's hard to imagine any situation where his reputation survives intact. May as well ride it to the bitter end.

Hell, he almost wriggled out of it.
 
“Jussie is currently in a psych ward at the Cook County Jail,” Jocqui Smollett said in a video posted to the Empire actor’s Instagram. “What’s very concerning is that there was a note attached to his paperwork today and put on the front of his jail cell saying that he’s at risk of self-harm.”
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The actor repeatedly shouted, “I am not suicidal, and I am innocent” as he exited on Thursday.
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Jussie Smollett Placed In Psych Ward At Cook County Jail, Brother Claims On Instagram
https://deadline.com/2022/03/jussie...ook-county-jail-brother-instagram-1234977231/

Ok, I know he is the gay Tupac, and black Cary Grant. But is he now trying to be the black and gay Jeffrey Epstein? I hope not, because I don't know if I can endure a year of "Smollett didn't kill himself" memes.
 
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Warp12 said:
Jussie Smollett Placed In Psych Ward At Cook County Jail, Brother Claims On Instagram
https://deadline.com/2022/03/jussie...ook-county-jail-brother-instagram-1234977231/

Ok, I know he is the gay Tupac, and black Cary Grant. But is he now trying to be the black and gay Jeffrey Epstein? I hope not, because I don't know if I can endure a year of "Smollett didn't kill himself" memes.
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I'd expect, if at some point he felt a suicide attempt would garner some sympathy, he'd be right there hanging himself with a roll of toilet paper in no time.
 
The first Smollett family member to say Jussie did it and feels sorry for it. Will save the family's name and careers.
 
Mike! said:
I'd expect, if at some point he felt a suicide attempt would garner some sympathy, he'd be right there hanging himself with a roll of toilet paper in no time.
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Nah, the toilet paper is for:

"Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape."

/Alice's Restaurant.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I wonder how much any such attempt would have mattered.

This kind of hoax seems like a "all-in" moment. Even if copping to a guilty plea would have reduced any criminal consequences for him, it's hard to imagine any situation where his reputation survives intact. May as well ride it to the bitter end.

Hell, he almost wriggled out of it.
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My recollection is that the hoax was originally supposed to be a private affair, and the police were roped in by accident. I think that in the first week or so, there was probably plenty of opportunity for Smollett to go to the cops and withdraw his allegations. Have his agent or publicist put out some boilerplate "it was all a misunderstanding, my client is very sorry for the confusion and distress" and then just lie low for a couple months. And probably a period after that where he could have come clean and gotten a slap on the wrist.
 
Am I reading this correctly that the J-Smol is in the Cook County slam? Did they gen-pop him or is he getting the Country Club treatment?
 
Thermal said:
Am I reading this correctly that the J-Smol is in the Cook County slam? Did they gen-pop him or is he getting the Country Club treatment?
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He is in a special area for mental people, celebrities, and others who are at risk.
 
It ain't over yet.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/us/jussie-smollett-released-bond/index.html
(CNN)Jussie Smollett will be released from jail pending an appeal of his conviction, an Illinois appeals court has ruled.

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Part of the reasoning listed in the order is that the court found it would be "unable to dispose of the instant appeal before the defendant would have served his entire sentence of incarceration."
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I think that means the sentence is too short!
 
mgidm86 said:
It ain't over yet.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/us/jussie-smollett-released-bond/index.html



I think that means the sentence is too short!
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Meh. His appeal, like all criminal conviction appeals, is almost certainly doomed. He's going to do his 150 days no matter how hard he tries to delay.

Can't really fault the decision of the judge. There's no point to an appeal if the process is going to take longer than the sentence is while the person is waiting in jail.
 
I wonder if J Smol is going to get one of those teardrop tats after his stay? Maybe start gay Tupac-ing about how he got 99 problems but MAGA ain't one?
 
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Kim Foxx ruined it by offering him a sweetheart plea deal. Oh well. His career is still ruined, his reputation is still ruined, and he has spent years dealing with legal issues, paying for lawyers, and so on. Sometimes the process is the punishment.

I'm still questioning what the upside was. Why some people think that making up a fake hate crime with themselves as a victim is worth the risk? And if you ask the question that way, I think you have to concede that there is some sort of value for certain people in being perceived as a victim of racism or bigotry. Some sort of clout to be gained within certain social circles. Like the infamous Rolling Stone article called A Rape On Campus. I guess ultimately what they are seeking is attention. And attention can bring other benefits, including money and emotional validation.
 
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