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JREF on YouTube Disappeared?

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All the videos on the JREF YouTube Channel have disappeared.

Why is that?

Or is it me?

Thanks.
 
Not just you "This account is suspended." is what I am getting

cj x
 
and "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." on both UK and US Youtube sites??? Shame as I have not yet seen the 26th March video and want to see if Randi discussed the errors in the Nazareth one... :( Hopefully will be back up soon just a technical glitch?

cj x
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
Anybody have any info on why this has happened? :confused:
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It happened to some official Dawkins videos last year, I think its just while they establish you are the copyright holder? Dunno, can have a look se what happened then. It was all quickly resolved anyway.

cj x
 
The JREF is aware of the issue, and they're working on it. YouTube has been less than forthcoming.
 
Someone barely screams out the words "copyright infringement" and YouTube happily complies by suspending channels and removing videos without investigating the claims.
I'm not at all surprised at this :(

EDIT: see Thunderf00t vs. VenomFangX
 
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CryoTank said:
Someone barely screams out the words "copyright infringement" and YouTube happily complies by suspending channels and removing videos without investigating the claims.
I'm not at all surprised at this :(

EDIT: see Thunderf00t vs. VenomFangX
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Yeah, yeah. Then there are others (atheists, mainly, as far as I've heard) who complain about other YouTubers grabbing their intentionally copyrighted videos and using them to create parodies, and YouTube does nothing about it. Everyone has their moments, it seems.

Granted, the pre-Google YouTube seems to have had a Christian leaning.

Granted, Google's YouTube is much more commercially slanted, and so has laid off the old one's biases, to some extent.

Granted, the USG laws aren't as explicit as they might be, on the one hand, and on the other carry draconian punishments such that YouTube cannot afford to ignore taking action, even when based on obviously flawed claims.

Still, you'd think they could be more responsive to their customers and their media suppliers.
 
shadron said:
Yeah, yeah. Then there are others (atheists, mainly, as far as I've heard) who complain about other YouTubers grabbing their intentionally copyrighted videos and using them to create parodies, and YouTube does nothing about it. Everyone has their moments, it seems.

Granted, the pre-Google YouTube seems to have had a Christian leaning.

Granted, Google's YouTube is much more commercially slanted, and so has laid off the old one's biases, to some extent.

Granted, the USG laws aren't as explicit as they might be, on the one hand, and on the other carry draconian punishments such that YouTube cannot afford to ignore taking action, even when based on obviously flawed claims.

Still, you'd think they could be more responsive to their customers and their media suppliers.
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You'd think...

I was just pointing out one case I could quickly think of. YouTube, I hope, did not act this way just because it was the JREF channel, I'm sure the entire spectrum of belief and/or opinion gets a taste of this at one point or another.
I'm guessing that suspending accounts on an whim is just their way of safeguarding against potential legal issues. Shoot first, then ask questions.
 
CryoTank said:
Someone barely screams out the words "copyright infringement" and YouTube happily complies by suspending channels and removing videos without investigating the claims.
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They will do the same thing if someone claims they are offended by a video.
 
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14915&start=25

Ah, it seems in that case there was an actual copyright violation, simply and peacefully resolved. I expect this has happened here - it can be as minor as use of a piece of music, or a quotation, and the copyright holder complains. Pretty certain it will all be sorted soon - don't start imagining evil anti-JREF conspiracies when quite normal organizational incompetence at the YT end probably explains it all! :)

cj x
 
Ah, it seems in that case there was an actual copyright violation, simply and peacefully resolved. I expect this has happened here - it can be as minor as use of a piece of music, or a quotation, and the copyright holder complains. Pretty certain it will all be sorted soon - don't start imagining evil anti-JREF conspiracies when quite normal organizational incompetence at the YT end probably explains it all! :)

cj x
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Not necessarily.
Violation is not necessary for content removal, merely the allegation of infringement. However, alleged infringement does not mean that an account will necessarily be suspended. Generally the content is removed.
 
Wait, we don't even know why the account is suspended. Don't you think it's a little premature to be complaining about unfair suspension when we don't even know whether it was unfair or not?

Personally I have no doubt that there has been no problem and the account will be reactivated, but I really think that we should wait until we know why before jumping aboard with complaints.
 
No talking down the angry populist mob, arthwollipot, lest you become its next target.
 
I just didn't think that such a knee-jerk reaction was appropriate for a bunch of critical thinkers. I mean it doesn't appear to have even occurred to them that YouTube may actually have a legitimate reason for temporarily suspending the JREF account. Myself, I can think of several possibilities, including the idea that the account was hacked and someone other than the JREF used the account to post inappropriate content. It may be some nutbar Christian who issued a complaint to YouTube about something Randi said and YouTube closed the account pending investigation. There are potentially lots of legitimate reasons for the account to be suspended. We. Just. Don't. Know. Yet.

Both Jeff and Phil have posted that the problem is being investigated and we'll know more soon. Let's exercise just a little patience, eh?
 
arthwollipot

From what I understand Youtube haven't been doing a good job regarding DMCA claims and some people believe that they are not very consistent in their banning/suspension policies.

I believe that Thunderf00t was suspended by Youtube for doing, erm... I don't actually know what he did wrong, he was just suspended.
 
You cna't beat a good protest! Down with YouTube,smash up the Spinning Jenny ;)
 
Wildy said:
From what I understand Youtube haven't been doing a good job regarding DMCA claims and some people believe that they are not very consistent in their banning/suspension policies.

I believe that Thunderf00t was suspended by Youtube for doing, erm... I don't actually know what he did wrong, he was just suspended.
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Don't you think it is somewhat silly to be posting when you don't know what the facts are? Do your fingers simply demand the exercise?

Thunderf00t has sent many complaints through the normal youtube channel for complaints about votebots attacking his videos, and has never gotten any response. This time he decided to send a message directly to the director of ads under the theory that they can ignore the publishers and the customers, but they can't ignore their revenue source. He timed it for late Friday two weeks ago, and then he dropped a video about how to do it on his channel. Lots of thunderf00t's subscribers picked up the cue and sent email to youtube's ads channel. Youtude responded by Saturday night, removing the video and suspending his channel. Ever ready, thunderf00t sent out another video about it to be mirrored by a host of friends. By Sunday, youtube, with their channel for ads jammed with messages, reinstated thunderf00t's channel, effectively shouting, "Uncle!". He released a video asking everyone to cool it - they'd demonstrated that there really was a youtube management behind the curtain, and that they did pay attention under certain conditions. It didn't have anything to do with DCMA except inasmuch as youtube reacts, as it must, to DCMA claims, but is slow to fix the resulting errors, just as it is to fixing votebot problems.

You can find the videos on thunderf00t's channel. I understand there was a pretty heavy reaction by youtubers to the Randi channel shutdown, too.
 
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WTF

Rational Response Squad suspended too.

What's going on?

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CryoTank said:
EDIT: see Thunderf00t vs. VenomFangX
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I think every single video except for one has copyrighted material that isn't his.
shadron said:
Don't you think it is somewhat silly to be posting when you don't know what the facts are? Do your fingers simply demand the exercise?

Thunderf00t has sent many complaints through the normal youtube channel for complaints about votebots attacking his videos, and has never gotten any response. This time he decided to send a message directly to the director of ads under the theory that they can ignore the publishers and the customers, but they can't ignore their revenue source. He timed it for late Friday two weeks ago, and then he dropped a video about how to do it on his channel. Lots of thunderf00t's subscribers picked up the cue and sent email to youtube's ads channel. Youtude responded by Saturday night, removing the video and suspending his channel. Ever ready, thunderf00t sent out another video about it to be mirrored by a host of friends. By Sunday, youtube, with their channel for ads jammed with messages, reinstated thunderf00t's channel, effectively shouting, "Uncle!". He released a video asking everyone to cool it - they'd demonstrated that there really was a youtube management behind the curtain, and that they did pay attention under certain conditions. It didn't have anything to do with DCMA except inasmuch as youtube reacts, as it must, to DCMA claims, but is slow to fix the resulting errors, just as it is to fixing votebot problems.

You can find the videos on thunderf00t's channel. I understand there was a pretty heavy reaction by youtubers to the Randi channel shutdown, too.
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Actually Thunderfoot isn't a revenue source for them. If you ever notice there are never any ads on any channel who isn't a sponsor because of the copyright reasons.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Wait, we don't even know why the account is suspended. Don't you think it's a little premature to be complaining about unfair suspension when we don't even know whether it was unfair or not?

Personally I have no doubt that there has been no problem and the account will be reactivated, but I really think that we should wait until we know why before jumping aboard with complaints.
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Yeah, as I said, no conspiracy, will get sorted. I have seen it happen before on other forums.

cj x
 
arthwollipot said:
Both Jeff and Phil have posted that the problem is being investigated and we'll know more soon. Let's exercise just a little patience, eh?
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Actually, you're quite right there. It is a bit too early to make specific claims about what really happened, we (including me) are merely speculating.

cheers
 
shadron said:
Don't you think it is somewhat silly to be posting when you don't know what the facts are? Do your fingers simply demand the exercise?
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Well, that's one thing to complain about: the complete absence of facts. If there's a legitimate reason for YouTube to take down JREF's videos, then they should publish the reason, then JREF can address that. Without a rationale, then angry responses are all YouTube should expect.
 
It's quite outrageous and rather disturbing considering Facebook and Youtube feature Islamic groups that guarantee death threats if criticism is applied in any of them. Apparently Hitchens (?) is on it:

 
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NelC said:
Well, that's one thing to complain about: the complete absence of facts. If there's a legitimate reason for YouTube to take down JREF's videos, then they should publish the reason, then JREF can address that. Without a rationale, then angry responses are all YouTube should expect.
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YouTube isn't exactly known for giving any reasons for their doing, so I don't blame anyone. I too mirrored the video from dprjones, maybe too rashly, I admit, as we don't really know what's going on.

btw: In an earlier post I wrote
EDIT: see Thunderf00t vs. VenomFangX
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This was not really related to this issue (wrongful DMCA complaint filed by VFX), dunno what made me post this. Thunderf00ts account was suspended later, right, and shadron nicely summarised that incident.
 
Hitchens? Nah, that's YouTube User dprjones. He is British too so maybe that got you confused ;)
 
From the videos I've seen, it's extremely unlikely that there was a legitimate copyright complaint. Unless Randi started posting videos with copyrighted music, the most likely possibility is an organized campaign to flag the videos as inappropriate. That said, we shouldn't get angry at Youtube unless they fail to resolve the problem.
 
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