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Merged Jimmy Carter dead at 100

It's sad that it takes away from the reason for the memorial, but I was happy to see Mrs. Pence snub The POSOTUS-elect. TwiX is having a field day with it.
 
I am perplexed by these responses.

Does no one but me remember that Jimmy Carter was a segregationist? That he race -baited his opponents by showing pictures of them standing next to African-Americans (as though that's a crime or something)?

That he escalated the Cold War? Politicized the Olympics in a way that even Republicans didn't?

Brought the religious right into politics long before Reagan did?

According to rumor, he also cheated on his wife and made illegitimate kids (which I wouldn't care about, if not for the fact that he kept crowing about how "decent" he was....)
 
I am perplexed by these responses.

Does no one but me remember that Jimmy Carter was a segregationist? That he race -baited his opponents by showing pictures of them standing next to African-Americans (as though that's a crime or something)?

That he escalated the Cold War? Politicized the Olympics in a way that even Republicans didn't?

Brought the religious right into politics long before Reagan did?

According to rumor, he also cheated on his wife and made illegitimate kids (which I wouldn't care about, if not for the fact that he kept crowing about how "decent" he was....)
You will have evidence for these claims, no doubt?
 
Carter did a lot of good things after his Presidency, but he did one very ◊◊◊◊◊◊ thing before he left the Oval Office: Pardoned Peter Yarrow (the Peter of Peter, Paul and Mary, who died a few days ago):


Due to the news about Reagan's inauguration and the release of the hostages, Yarrow's pardon did not attract a lot of attention at the time. According to the WAPO, it was the only time in history that a presidential pardon was issued for a sexual offense with a child, and they noted there were other allegations against Yarrow, including rape:
Trump said hold my beer and nominated an alleged statuatory rapist to be AG of the U.S. Hell Donnie Diapers himself is an adjudicated rapist, so while Carter's pardon of Yarrow seems ◊◊◊◊◊◊, in the context of all things Trump, it hardly registers a blip corruption wise.
 
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You will have evidence for these claims, no doubt?
Oh yes, I do.

His opponent was called Carl Sanders, if memory serves. (No relationship to Bernie, I think.)

Sanders completely confirmed this story in an interview. Carter smeared him by, among other things, alleging that Mr. Sanders "stood next to black people."

If memory serves, when Sanders died, the Carters called his widow to supposedly "console her" but in actuality, to just rub it in.

They are still bitter at the Carters to this day. And rightly so.
 
Oh yes, I do.

His opponent was called Carl Sanders, if memory serves. (No relationship to Bernie, I think.)

Sanders completely confirmed this story in an interview. Carter smeared him by, among other things, alleging that Mr. Sanders "stood next to black people."

If memory serves, when Sanders died, the Carters called his widow to supposedly "console her" but in actuality, to just rub it in.

They are still bitter at the Carters to this day. And rightly so.
You know these Sanders people first hand?
 
Then you woke up.

That's not evidence, it's a claim.

In 1970, Carter played both sides of the fence: He won a hard-fought Democratic gubernatorial primary race against former moderate Georgia governor Carl Sanders. He ran as a populist friend of the working man (in comparison to Sanders, who after leaving the governorship had become a wealthy corporate lawyer). At the same time, he sought and won the endorsement of Wallace. During the campaign, however, Carter avoided racial issues. An auxiliary organization backing Carter circulated in rural counties a picture of Sanders, part-owner of the Atlanta Hawks, attending a locker-room celebration in which a Black player was dousing Sanders with champagne. Black voters were clear which candidate they preferred: Sanders won 90 percent of the Black vote in the primary, but lost to Carter by 80,000 votes.
 
Wiki's take on Carl Sanders v Jimmy Carter:

Carter's campaign anonymously distributed a photo of Sanders getting doused with a bottle of champagne by a black Atlanta Hawks basketball player celebrating a victory at a game. The photo communicated several potentially damaging messages about Sanders, including his wealth, an association with alcohol (which was disliked in teetotalist rural communities) and a personal connection with a black person.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders2002161–162-41"><span>[</span>41<span>]</span></a> The Carter campaign also published anonymous "fact-sheets" which described Sanders as a staunch ally of controversial black legislator Julian Bond (the two actually disliked one another), noted his attendance at the funeral of civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr., and attacked him for denying Wallace an official visit to the state. At the same time, the campaign set up a fictitious "Black Concern Committee" to draw black support away from Sanders by arguing that he had failed to honor promises to the black community during his gubernatorial tenure.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders2002161-42"><span>[</span>42<span>]</span></a> Carter's campaign press secretary later described their efforts as a "n***** (sic) campaign".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders2002164-43"><span>[</span>43<span>]</span></a>

Note that when leaving the governor's office a few years prior, Sanders endorsed a segregationist (Lester Maddox) as his successor. But overall Sanders was more popular with Black people than Carter was at the time.

In the runoff primary Carter won with 60 percent of the vote. Sanders received 93 percent of the black vote and the support of his erstwhile backers, but Carter won overwhelmingly in rural areas.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders2002165-45"><span>[</span>45<span>]</span></a> He felt guilty about the tactics he had employed, and after his win he called Sanders to apologize for attacking his character.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders2002168-46"><span>[</span>46<span>]</span></a> Carter was victorious in the subsequent general election, and was later elected President of the United States in 1976. Sanders remained bitter about the 1970 campaign, and later said of Carter, "He is not proud of that election, and he shouldn't be proud of it,"<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-davis-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> though he also thought Carter made "more of a class distinction than a race distinction" in the campaign.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sanders#cite_note-FOOTNOTESanders1992616-36"><span>[</span>36<span>]</span></a>
 

Here is the interview. This story is only addressed at the end, though. You have to wade through a lot before getting to it.

So Carter's opponent was the owner of a ball team or something of that nature. The Atlanta Hawks.

He went into a locker room after a victory, to celebrate with the players. They were black and he was white. In jubilation, they sprayed him with champagne and took pictures.

Carter's team saw a picture of the man's head covered in booze and decided to label him a "drunk" and a "Negro lover." In a Baptist state, where drinking is a big taboo, this sadly worked. They also threw it that he was a slick Atlanta hot-shot lawyer, while painting Carter as a humble rural peanut farmer. Ironically, Carter was just as rich as "the city boy"....if not richer!

Wow, that is so dirty. The man was the owner of the team. He had no choice but to congratulate his players, for one thing.

I mean, he was a rich guy who did very well for himself and he shouldn't be the object of your pity (he did well in the private sector afterwards) but still....
 
Carter's team saw a picture of the man's head covered in booze and decided to label him a "drunk" and a "Negro lover."

Well no, not so explicitly. They ran with the pic and let people draw their own inferences from it. That said, it was a racist state with racist people, they knew what sort of inferences much of the public would draw.
 

Here is the interview. This story is only addressed at the end, though. You have to wade through a lot before getting to it.

So Carter's opponent was the owner of a ball team or something of that nature. The Atlanta Hawks.

He went into a locker room after a victory, to celebrate with the players. They were black and he was white. In jubilation, they sprayed him with champagne and took pictures.

Carter's team saw a picture of the man's head covered in booze and decided to label him a "drunk" and a "Negro lover." In a Baptist state, where drinking is a big taboo, this sadly worked. They also threw it that he was a slick Atlanta hot-shot lawyer, while painting Carter as a humble rural peanut farmer. Ironically, Carter was just as rich as "the city boy"....if not richer!

Wow, that is so dirty. The man was the owner of the team. He had no choice but to congratulate his players, for one thing.

I mean, he was a rich guy who did very well for himself and he shouldn't be the object of your pity (he did well in the private sector afterwards) but still....
They didn’t "label" Sanders anything. They simply showed the picture to a bunch of racist wowser segregationists in an effort to prejudice Carter's opponent. Unfortunately, these were the voters needing wooing at that time and place. In no way did it support the notion that Carter himself was like minded. Subsequent events confirmed he was not.
 
This is from a different article.https://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/how-to-elect-a-president-jimmy-carter-two-south-georgia-political-novices-and-the-unpredictable-road-to-the-white-house/

Earlier that month, when Sam Roberts of the New York Daily News had asked Carter whether black cities could survive surrounded by all-white neighborhoods, he had responded, “Yes, my next-door neighbor is black. It hasn’t hurt us—provided you give people the freedom to decide for themselves where to live . . . I see nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained.” The comment, buried near the bottom of a 19-paragraph story, set off a firestorm. Andrew Young, then a U.S. congressman representing metropolitan Atlanta, declared that Carter’s words “summoned up memories of Hitler and Nazi Germany” and joined with 16 other members of the Congressional Black Caucus in denouncing him.
 
I've never understood the sensitivity about this. I (white) carry a US government green card which lists me as "Resident Alien". I've never felt disparaged as a result.
The term "alien" has been distorted by the right to mean an undesirable brown immigrant, usually inscrutably non-Christian, hell bent on undermining the USA.
 
Are you serious? Even in 1976, people were appalled at Carter’s cynical tactics.

Even The New York Times, hardly a hippie newspaper, had headlines like “CARTER DEFENDS ALL-WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS!”

I am stunned no one but me seems to remember this!



I am very serious, because you NEVER posted one fact proving Carter was racist except poor memory recall (IIRC means poor memory), innuendoes, gossip, and pure BS.

No one remembers because it isn't true. I get the same kind of "facts" from the maga weirdoes in the MSN and Fox forums.

Good luck with that.


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I am very serious, because you NEVER posted one fact proving Carter was racist except poor memory recall (IIRC means poor memory), innuendoes, gossip, and pure BS.

No one remembers because it isn't true. I get the same kind of "facts" from the maga weirdoes in the MSN and Fox forums.

Good luck with that.


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But he had a segregationist (Lester Maddox) as his own Lt. Governor! A segregationist was essentially his Vice President!

 
Carter was well-known in Georgia for “playing the race card.” It was common knowledge that he’d appear on a radio show to say things like “I won’t be the tool of block voters!” and slur “block” to make it sound like he was saying “black.” If that isn’t a dog-whistle, I don’t know what is.

Either he was a segregationist or he was pretending to be one, to get elected! Either way…not good.

Now, are some of the people who wrote about this Republicans? Sure!

But people who were allied with the Democratic Party, like the Sanders family, say the exact same thing!
 
Carter was well-known in Georgia for “playing the race card.” It was common knowledge that he’d appear on a radio show to say things like “I won’t be the tool of block voters!” and slur “block” to make it sound like he was saying “black.” If that isn’t a dog-whistle, I don’t know what is.

Either he was a segregationist or he was pretending to be one, to get elected! Either way…not good.

Now, are some of the people who wrote about this Republicans? Sure!

But people who were allied with the Democratic Party, like the Sanders family, say the exact same thing!


None of that proves anything. It's just more gossip, innuendoes, and pure BS.

Like I said, good luck with that.


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But he had a segregationist (Lester Maddox) as his own Lt. Governor! A segregationist was essentially his Vice President!

Maddox was never his chosen Lt Governor. Maddox was forced upon him.
 
I really don’t know why you all are defending Carter. I really don’t.

He had a reputation as “a nice guy” and members of the press would mindlessly parrot that- but it wasn’t deserved!

He was mean, he was dirty, he was low. He would sling mud if he wanted to win. Just like any other politician would. Worse than that, he tried to have it both ways! He would pretend to be liberal when it suited him and would pretend to be a reactionary when he thought it would work.

He cozied up to George Wallace himself. He wasn’t even hiding it.

His own press secretary said “we ran a n—-r campaign.”

He appeared at a segregated school to champion it.

 
I really don’t know why you all are defending Carter. I really don’t.

He had a reputation as “a nice guy” and members of the press would mindlessly parrot that- but it wasn’t deserved!

He was mean, he was dirty, he was low. He would sling mud if he wanted to win. Just like any other politician would. Worse than that, he tried to have it both ways! He would pretend to be liberal when it suited him and would pretend to be a reactionary when he thought it would work.

He cozied up to George Wallace himself. He wasn’t even hiding it.

His own press secretary said “we ran a n—-r campaign.”

He appeared at a segregated school to champion it.

*YAWN*
 
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I can show pictures of people together too.
 
Wallace was ENDORSING him. And Jimmy took his blessing!

In 1976!

The New York Times wrote an entire article about it:

From your own source (which you probably haven't read):
They are as dissimilar as corduroy and double‐knit.

One represents the old South, the other reflects the new. One still says “◊◊◊◊◊◊.” the other says “black.”

One snarled his way into history, the other smiled. One shouted, the other purred.

Moreover. Governor Wallace will apparently never he President—he says he has finished his last campaign—and Mr. Carter may.

In a sense, the Governor's meeting with the man he once called a liar symbolized his own reluctant but inevitable concession that the dream he has nurtured for so many years is now beyond fulfillment. By entertaining Mr. Carter at the mansion, Governor Wallace seemed to be saying, finally and publicly, what he has never quite admitted at any time in his long and colorful political career—that he has been bested, beaten, and that he knows it.
Like I said a long way above, CONTEXT!
 
Yeah, that's kind of the reason nobody except you is frothing with fury about it right now.

To this day, I can’t get over what he did to Carl Sanders. The stunt where he spread the pictures around. That was so mean and low and unfair.

The other stuff was bad, too, like his own press secretary calling black people ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ and Carter complaining when Wallace WASN’T allowed to speak in Georgia - but that one really takes the cake.

Carter had the minions do it for him, too, so that he could later deny it was him. That’s my speculation, anyway. That adds another layer of dirt to it. At least Trump calls Mexicans drug dealers and rapists himself and doesn’t delegate the race-baiting.

Don’t get me wrong, Sanders wasn’t enlightened about race himself- but still, I am shocked Carter stooped so low and stunned that people don’t even know this story!

And when they do know it, they somehow defend him!

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And when they do know it, they somehow defend him!


I still don't know anything because there are no facts in the "evidence" you've posted, except gossip, innuendoes, and pure BS, just like all the "facts" supplied to me by all the maga weirdoes.


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I wasn’t making the point that 1976 was “so long ago”.

Quite the reverse. As recently as 1976, he was STILL dog-whistling. Even after the segregationists had lost, he was still at it.

The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964 IIRC and over a decade later, Carter still hadn’t gotten the memo, apparently!
 
I wasn’t making the point that 1976 was “so long ago”.

Quite the reverse. As recently as 1976, he was STILL dog-whistling. Even after the segregationists had lost, he was still at it.

The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964 IIRC and over a decade later, Carter still hadn’t gotten the memo, apparently!


More gossip, innuendoes, and BS that is still lacking in ONE "fact".

I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I don't believe you.


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To this day, I can’t get over what he did to Carl Sanders. The stunt where he spread the pictures around. That was so mean and low and unfair.

The other stuff was bad, too, like his own press secretary calling black people “n—-s” and Carter complaining when Wallace WASN’T allowed to speak in Georgia - but that one really takes the cake.

Carter had the minions do it for him, too, so that he could later deny it was him.That’s my speculation, anyway. That adds another layer of dirt to it. At least Trump calls Mexicans drug dealers and rapists himself and doesn’t delegate the race-baiting.

Don’t get me wrong, Sanders wasn’t enlightened about race himself- but still, I am shocked Carter stooped so low and stunned that people don’t even know this story!

And when they do know it, they somehow defend him!
Rampant speculation and a festering grudge. And failure to understand history, do you research, and appreciate context. Perfect right wing fodder.
 
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Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong or off the mark.

If anything, I like the Green Party. I had a very positive view of Carter. I even went to one of his book signings and got his autograph!

When I first heard the story about Carter smearing his opponents by essentially calling them “drinkers” and “Negro lovers”, I assumed it was a rumor started by Republicans. I was shocked and didn’t want to believe it! I thought it was false myself, at least at first.

Until I actually Googled it. And found that Carter’s own minions admitted to running a “stink tank” on his behalf. Their words, not mine. I found the interview with Carl Sanders, in which he himself admitted the validity of this story. Pretty much every biography of Carter admits this happened.

Unfortunately, it is all true. I was gobsmacked as well.

ETA: by the way, here is the notorious picture itself. It didn’t magically mail itself to barbershops in Georgia! Carter’s henchmen put it there.

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