Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

It didn't occur to me that she might have heard this from someone who'd mangled the story of the Bill Lovelady photo (not video), which was taken by an AP photographer. If she did, that's bad, because I'll bet she'll never accept the truth; she'll undoubtedly keep insisting that the video exists, and NBC is hiding it, or else "they" destroyed it. :rolleyes:

There were no TV cameras in Dealey Plaza*; those were relatively scarce, bulky, and hard to move, and portable video recorders hadn't even been invented yet. The TV cameras were set up at the Trade Mart in anticipation of the President's arrival and connected to vans with their antennas pointed back toward the local stations. Any recordings of those broadcasts were made on non-portable equipment in the studios.
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*And yet, in a classic example of the Mandela Effect, lots of people who were old enough could have sworn they remembered having watched the assassination live on TV, obviously conflating their memories of the day with having later watched the Zapruder film. That reminds me; I should ask my boss to tell me about that day. He was 12.5 years old and home from school watching TV, recovering from burns he'd gotten when some idiot threw gasoline on a fire he was standing near. He's mentioned that a couple of times, but never gone into any great detail about what he remembers.
Well, I'm about the same age, and I remember hearing about in class on the East Coast shortly before dismissal. I got home and watched everything unfolding on Saturday and Sunday. I watched when Oswald was brought out to the newsmen on Friday night, and beat Ruby to the right answer ("The Fair Play for Cuba Committee") when Henry Wade screwed up the answer (he called it "The Free Cuba Committee, or something like that").

Why is that important? Because come conspiracy theorists make much ado about Ruby knowing the correct answer, suggesting Ruby was part of the conspiracy to frame Oswald. But anyone who spent an hour or more in front of a TV or listened to the radio was certain to hear, "Here's what we know thus far. The suspect in the killing of the police officer is Lee Harvey Oswald, who defected to Russia four years ago and returned in 1962. He is a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and works in the building from which shots were fired at the President...."

I saw Oswald get shot live on Sunday morning. On Monday, which was declared a national holiday, me and my school friends took advantage of the day off and went to the local park to play football. On the way home, we stopped at the local police station to use their water fountain and watched some of the funeral procession on their TV. When I got home we watched the rest of it.

On Tuesday morning in the school yard, we took turns and reenacted the shooting of Oswald. "Ok, now you be Ruby, and I'll be Oswald, you guys get to be the cops..."

Did you ever talk to your boss about what he remembers?
 
Wasn't there a book published 30+ years ago that actually suggested that Oswald's target was in fact Connally?

My favorite JFK conspiracy theory is that JFK hired Oswald to kill Jackie Kennedy so he could marry Marilyn Monroe. But sadly for JFK it went all wrong.

The Accidental Victim: JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the Real Target in Dallas by James Reston, Jr.
 
I have just watched a Ytube video that 'cracks' the case if the assassination.
Twenty-five minutes of rehash of previous theories, with the addition of new evidence released. Oh boy.
 
Meanwhile, the CIA released 54 records about the other Kennedy Assassination: https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/c...delivers-on-president-trumps-executive-order/

DNI Director Gabbard was proudly stating that AI was used to streamline the process. The result is a number of documents about Lee Harvey Oswald and Jim Garrison. So, LMAO. Anyway, here's the link to the National Archives page:

 
My favorite JFK conspiracy theory is that JFK hired Oswald to kill Jackie Kennedy so he could marry Marilyn Monroe. But sadly for JFK it went all wrong.
That's new to me. I remember my dad saying that he'd met people who thought that Lady Bird Johnson had used her mob connections to have Kennedy whacked so LBJ could become president.
 
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Ms. Coe either hasn't been following the task force/Luna hearings or is peddling misinformation. I recommend Jeff Morley's substack to get factual information about the disclosures that have come from the hearings and from the documents released by the task force:


Morley is a former investigative reporter for the Washington Post and the author of two books on the CIA and JFK.

Another informative source on the Luna hearings is the Kennedys and King website:

I should add that in 2023, Knott Laboratory, a forensic engineering firm, did the most sophisticated trajectory analysis of the single-bullet theory (SBT) ever done and proved that SBT is impossible, that Kenndy and Connally were never aligned in a way to make the SBT possible, proving, in turn, that they were hit by separate bullets, which means there had to be more than one gunman.

Knott Laboratory specializes in forensic reconstruction and engineering and is recognized as a leader in the field. Knott has worked on several high-profile cases, including the Firestone tire failures, the KC power plant explosion, the Miller Park crane collapse, and the Air France Flight 447 crash.

The Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis dwarfs all previous analyses (WC, HSCA, Myers, Vaughan) because of its unprecedented amount of data and its laser-based digital replica of Dealey Plaza. Knott Lab conducted a high-definition laser scan of Dealey Plaza to generate a point cloud of nearly 2 million points per second to accurately measure point-to-point anywhere in the scene. Nothing like that had ever been done before.

From this point cloud, Knott's forensic engineers were able to match images from the scene and the Zapruder film using photogrammetry. They modeled the presidential limousine using multiple photographs and established the correct dimensions of the vehicle. Through a process called match moving, they synced frames from the Zapruder film into the digital recreation of the scene. The match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle to establish their positions frame by frame throughout the incident. That's why the Knott Lab analysis puts JFK and Connally in the correct horizontal positions in relation to each other and to the right side of the car's interior, whereas shoddy pro-SBT analyses have had to shift JFK and/or Connally markedly out of position.


 
I should add that in 2023, Knott Laboratory, a forensic engineering firm, did the most sophisticated trajectory analysis of the single-bullet theory (SBT) ever done and proved that SBT is impossible, that Kenndy and Connally were never aligned in a way to make the SBT possible, proving, in turn, that they were hit by separate bullets, which means there had to be more than one gunman.
We already debunked these clowns.

The Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis dwarfs all previous analyses (WC, HSCA, Myers, Vaughan) because of its unprecedented amount of data and its laser-based digital replica of Dealey Plaza. Knott Lab conducted a high-definition laser scan of Dealey Plaza to generate a point cloud of nearly 2 million points per second to accurately measure point-to-point anywhere in the scene. Nothing like that had ever been done before.
Wow, that sounds impressive unless they got the entry data wrong - which they did - in which case their animation is worthless. And it is.

From this point cloud, Knott's forensic engineers were able to match images from the scene and the Zapruder film using photogrammetry. They modeled the presidential limousine using multiple photographs and established the correct dimensions of the vehicle.
And this was stupid since the original limo is on display at the Ford Museum, which tells you how stupid, and or lazy these guys are.

Through a process called match moving, they synced frames from the Zapruder film into the digital recreation of the scene. The match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle to establish their positions frame by frame throughout the incident.
The problem is the resolution is not great, so everything related will ALWAYS be approximate, never exact.

The match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle to establish their positions frame by frame throughout the incident. That's why the Knott Lab analysis puts JFK and Connally in the correct horizontal positions in relation to each other and to the right side of the car's interior, whereas shoddy pro-SBT analyses have had to shift JFK and/or Connally markedly out of position.
They have Connally too far to the right, the same mistake Garrison made decades ago fueling this line of BS in the first place. Had they taken the time to visit the Ford museum they would have had exact dimensions, and maybe a nice LIDAR scan of the interior and exterior of the limo. But no. And the other problem is they used a contemporary LIDAR scan of Dealey plaza that does not factor in the changes in the height of the oak trees, and the slight change in elevation of the roadbed from decades of resurfacing.

Once again, you post bad information created by hacks to advance an agenda over the truth.
 
One aspect of the images. They have a green line of site through JFK and a red on through JC. The line of site to JC looks like it emanates from the area of JFK legs. Some guy asked a reasonable question, where does the red line trace back to where? Looks like shoddy work to me. A team that believes the SBT CAN'T be correct.
 
So what
A commentator has some comments on the assassination:

Smoking-Gun Circumstantial Evidence in the JFK Assassination


By Jacob G. Hornberger
Edited by zooterkin: 
<Snip> for rule 4.
Ah, a comedian.
So, what was going on here? Why did the CIA fight so fiercely for so long to cover all this up?


Let's work backwards...

There is no way around it, not even for the U.S. mainstream press, which, needless to say, continues hewing to the ludicrous lone-nut theory of the assassination.
This is lie. The mainstream press has been continuing the scam of a conspiracy and multiple shooters in Dealey Plaza, and Oswald not being one of them.

Why did the CIA fight so fiercely for so long to cover all this up? Because the last thing the CIA wanted was for people to find out its role in setting up Oswald to take the fall for the assassination.

Why would the CIA set up one of their own guys? More importantly, why wasn't the CIA paying Oswald if he was one of their guys, so he wouldn't have to work in a warehouse?


Knowing the deeply seated Cold War fear of communists and communism that had been inculcated in the American people, the national-security state knew that the best thing it could ever do was to frame a “communist.”
So he knows nothing the communist threat, and the very real body-count of the Soviet Union, Cuba, PRC, and at the time North Vietnam.

h, but it gets worse. During the HSCA investigation, the CIA called Joannides out of retirement to ostensibly serve as an innocent, good-faith liaison between committee investigators and the CIA. In reality, he served as an obstacle to the investigation of the CIA’s possible role in the JFK assassination. Moreover, the CIA never revealed Joannides’ role in the DRE to the HSCA or, for that matter, to the ARRB.
Golly, so he hasn't read any of the assassination documents. If you had you'd know Joannides gave away the store to the HSCA re: Cuba.

Two months after Oswald moved to New Orleans, in June 1963, while Oswald was still in New Orleans, Kennedy delivered his famous Peace Speech at American University, which essentially was a declaration of war against the national-security branch of the federal government. In that speech, JFK effectively declared an end to the Cold War and an intent to move America in a totally different direction — one that was based on establishing peaceful and friendly relations with Russia, Cuba, and the communist world. That, of course, was anathema to the U.S. national security establishment. JFK’s Peace Speech undoubtedly solidified the decision to remove JFK from office.
JFK said one thing, but the archives demonstrate he was full steam ahead on the Cold War. His speech was optimistic, but he also is clear the US is not going to back down in the face of the evil that was (and is) communism. And you can read the full speech here:


Four months after JFK’s Peace Speech, in September 1963 Oswald went to Mexico City, where he engaged in a big public hullabaloo in which he made contact with the Soviet and Cuban embassies. For those who are still convinced that the Russians or Cubans employed Oswald to assassinate Kennedy, it’s worth asking: If that’s really true, would they really want to advertise their connection to the assassin in such a big way?
Here's something you need to get your head around: Oswald didn't work for anybody. The Russians knew he was a sad-sack loser, the Cubans didn't want to waste time with him because he was a flake, and CIA doesn't hire dorks like Oswald. And if the plan was to frame Oswald, why didn't the CIA Mexico City Station take tons of photos of him at both embassies, keep the recordings of his conversations (which the records show they'd wired both buildings for sound), and why didn't they follow him to that party at Silvia Duran's apartment that was loaded with KGB guys to take more pictures?

Does he not know how frame jobs work?

While in New Orleans, Oswald went to work for the Reily Coffee Company, which was owned by a fierce anti-communist conservative. What are the chances that a fierce anti-communist conservative would hire a died-in-the-wool communist at the height of the Cold War? No chance at all!
He worked there three months as a "greaser" maintaining machinery, and was fired because...he was a slacker. It's New Orleans, back then if an applicant was not a convicted felon, homosexual, and WHITE they'd get the job. Hardly a smoking gun.

But there was one significant thing that people didn’t know: The DRE was being supervised and generously funded by the CIA, specifically by CIA official George Joannides. For all practical purposes, the DRE was one of the CIA’s infamous front organizations.
Funded? Yes. Supervised? LMAO, not really. And it's not like they had a huge bankroll. He really should actually read the files some time.

In October 1962, President Kennedy settled the Cuban Missile Crisis, in which he promised that the U.S. would not invade Cuba. This was almost certainly the point at which the national-security establishment decided that Kennedy posed a grave threat to national security and needed to be removed from office, given the Pentagon’s and CIA’s conviction that the Cuban communist regime posed a grave threat to U.S. national security.

And yet JFK's NSC continued with it's anti-Cuban operations unabated. He leaves out the part where JFK's actions against Castro led to the Cuban Missile Crisis, but that's par for the course.

As the years and decades passed, it became increasingly clear that Oswald, who served in the U.S. Marines, was recruited to be an operative for U.S. intelligence, one who was trained to work under the cover of being a communist. That would explain why Oswald was not subjected to arrest, torture, indictment, prosecution, or even just an interrogation after he ostensibly defected to the Soviet Union and then returned to the United States with a Russian wife.
Well...that's in the files too. Oswald was in idiot, something the DIA and FBI had determined after he'd defected, and something the Soviets knew right out of the gate as they didn't want him, and only allowed his defection because he attempted suicide.

Oh, and Oswald was 17 when he joined the USMC. He was court-martialed twice, and did time in the brig. He was 19 when he defected to the Soviet Union. It takes about year to train as a CIA officer, and no point was LHO at Camp Perry, or their place in the Adirondacks, or the Sierra Nevadas. So when did he have time to train with the CIA? Air Traffic Control School was eight months, and USMC basic training was four months. Seriously, is this guy familiar with how calendar works?
The release of the Joannides records was reported this past Friday on Axios in an article entitled “CIA Admits Shadowy Officer Monitored Oswald Before JFK Assassination, New Records Reveal” by Marc Cavuto. It’s worth taking a pause in reading my article and going over to read Cavuto’s article to get an overall context of these particular long-secret records that have just been released.
Cool, this guy probably should have read all of them. And Axios sucks as a source. They link to a "damning" document about a CIA officer getting a fake D.C. driver's license, as if this is unusual: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/MEMO FOR SPECIAL AGENT IN[16503918].pdf

They're really going to flip out when they find the CIA fakes a lot of documents.

It is circumstantial evidence, such as the fraudulent autopsy that the U.S. military establishment carried out on President Kennedy’s body
You mean the one where Jackie Kennedy picked the autopsy location, and where RFK was present in the gallery above the entire time? That fake autopsy?

or the fraudulent copy of the Zapruder film that the CIA produced on the weekend of the assassination,

That's a new one. Comedy gold. Here's the problem; the chain of evidence for the Zapruder Film is air-tight. And it matches up with all four films of the assassination. And why film it at all? What kind of hit team doesn't control the target area? How hard would it have been to have "fake" Secret Service Agents tell people to put their cameras away? Why not destroy the film before it is turned over to the FBI, and why not arrange for it to be lost in the confusion?
Thanks to the release of the Joannides files, we now have more smoking-gun circumstantial evidence to add on top of the circumstantial evidence establishing the fraudulent autopsy and the fraudulent film.
No. The new files were mostly MLK Jr files. And none of the recently declassified files cover the autopsy nor the Zapruder Film. So what are he even talking about?


So, what was going on here? Why did the CIA fight so fiercely for so long to cover all this up?
Because JMWAVE was a big operation, and Cuba is a hostile nation, and leftist busy-bodies never figured that out. JMWAVE had nothing to do with the assassination because it was a JFK operation.
 
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I really love the fraudulent Zapruder film, with no evidence that it is a fake, just his belief. Rather like Garrison back and left in a courtroom many years ago, saying something without any evidence.
 
A commentator has some comments on the assassination:

Smoking-Gun Circumstantial Evidence in the JFK Assassination


Edited by jimbob: 


Snipped for rule 4, and given the length, rule 6
Circumstantial evidence can be tricky, but it's not the "one cool trick you can use to outweigh direct evidence" that this guy seems to think it is- "smoking gun circumstantial evidence" is pretty close to being oxymoronic. I doubt any judge would ever tell a jury that circumstantial evidence is as valid as direct evidence, and especially not in this case, where the circumstances he cites are just as consistent with Oswald's guilt as they are with his innocence- nothing he's produced here precludes LHO as the lone shooter. It's been said here many times, but consilience is actually a thing; and when direct evidence that leads to one conclusion is added to foggy circumstantial evidence that could lead to either, the verdict is pretty clear.

Essentially the author is using a concept he doesn't understand to exonerate the person whose guilt is just as consistent with the circumstantial evidence in favor of that of a phantom who isn't really anything more than an unspecified sum of the circumstances.
 
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The Redhanded podcast, hosted by two young British women, casts its eye over the assassination in a Two-Parter:



(They're available on most podcast providers if Spotify isn't your thing).

They don't go full tin-hat, but they do look down over their glasses and go "mm-hmmm?" at the official version of events.

They won't be everyone's cup of tea, I find them funny and engaging. Make of it what you will.
 
It's been a while, here's my JFK Assassination Primer:

1. Oswald did it. His gun, his place of employment, the specific floor where he worked/controlled, prints still on weapon today, 6.5x52mm rounds recovered in limo, and Parkland Hospital.
2. Oswald was the only TSBD employee not to come back after lunch.
3. Oswald shot one DPD Officer, and attempted to shoot a second - with the same gun - during his arrest at th Texas Theater.
4. Oswald sought fame all of his life.
5. Oswald had no social connections of any kind, and the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and DPD all tried to link him to a larger conspiracy.
6. Stories of a second gunman were not reported in the first days after the assassination. Those started a year after the fact, spread by lawyer, Mark Lane, a communist sympathizer (he would later represent The People's Temple and Jim Jones, if you need a grasp of his judgement).
7. The Warren Commission was rushed because of Mark Lane, and others spreading conspiracy theories.
8. The autopsy site was chosen by Jackie Kennedy, and was witnessed by RFK.
9. JFK's body was rushed out of Dallas at the behest of Jackie Kennedy, a Catholic who wished to inter her Catholic husband within the standard three-day window, which she did.
10. The autopsy photos and x-rays were sealed from public view at the behest of Jackie Kennedy, RFK, and the Kennedy family, not the government.
11. The Zapruder Film only contains two of the three shots fired, with the first happening maybe two seconds before Zapruder rolled on the President. Yes, the FBI got it wrong. The Secret Service agent standing on the rear of LBJ's car is clearly seen looking for what he thought was a firecracker (as he testified to). This also gives Oswald plenty of time to cycle his weapon.
12. The Carcano rifle is accurate out to 1,000 yards, and was prized by elephant hunters for the penetrating power of the 6.5x52mm round on
pachyderm skulls.

That's it. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
 
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The Carcano rifle is accurate out to 1,000 yards, and was prized by elephant hunters for the penetrating power of the 6.5x52mm round on pachyderm skulls.

Someone I know, who was a U.S. Army infantryman when younger, visited Dealey Plaza while on a trip to Dallas. He said he was struck by how small it was, and what a perfect sniper's nest the sixth story window made for the area where the shots were fired. He said the thought that struck him most was "how could he not hit him?".

ETA: thanks to the mod who fixed the highlight.
 
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Someone I know, who was a U.S. Army infantryman when younger, visited Dealey Plaza while on a trip to Dallas. He said he was struck by how small it was and what a perfect sniper's nest the sixth story window made for the area where the shots were fired. He said the thought that struck him most was "how could he not hit him?".

ETA: thanks to the mod who fixed the highlight.
That seems to be a pretty common reaction in people who visit there for the first time; and not only does the small size of the area make it an easy shot for someone trained in the Marines, it also makes it a ridiculous place to set up a conspiracy requiring hidden shooters behind fences or in storm drains, etc. I was there a couple of times with my wife a few years ago, and the second time, Bob Groden had set up a small table to sell books near where Zapruder stood filming the event. Groden wasn't doing much business that I could see, and he seemed tired and irritable. Otherwise, I would have asked him why he thought it was a good (or profitable) idea to peddle his notions in the one place people could really see for themselves what nonsense they were. (Also, my wife would have given me ten shades of hell for bracing the guy like that)
 
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The "Second Gunman" would have been right behind Zapruder, yet Zapruder never saw or heard anything behind him, and he would have seen the guy, and where he ran off to afterword. Going to Dealey Plaza ended my CT days for good. I read all the books, and the CTists always made it sound like it was some kind of circus trick-shot for Oswald to make, but standing on the 6th floor looking out the window next to the sniper's nest all I could think is that anyone could have made those shots.
 

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