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[Continuation] JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

That botched computer simulation is a few pages back.

Youtube has a bunch of Carcano videos now which demonstrate exactly what that rifle can do. And how unpredictable that round can be.
 
There was a few years back some individual, can't remember his name, that put a computer made diagram of how those two were seated and somewhat later another CT made his video "debunking" the first and I don't remember his name either. It was obvious to me that the second guy didn't know what he was doing and made a fool of himself in his attempt.
Bottom line they do line up and the magic bullet is nothing of magic just straight line of site travel to injure two men. There was also another buy who made a video with gel that was a simile for human flesh as to whether the bullet could have gone through both guys and the evidence was yes it could.

I wonder if you're thinking of Dale Myers. I was an Amiga user in the 90s and used it with the Video Toaster and Lightwave 3D. I can still remember the Amiga World issue that features it. It was pretty incredible at the time. I like others here bought into the conspiracy crap in my youth. That video was the start of my coming out of it.
 
Another big problem with the Magic Bullet claim is that the "pristine" bullet was anything but. There's one photo that's been circulated in which the bullet, at first glance, looks to be undeformed. But photographed from other angles it is clearly misshapen.
 
There was also another buy who made a video with gel that was a simile for human flesh as to whether the bullet could have gone through both guys and the evidence was yes it could.

This was the one where they reproduced all the positions exactly, not just the positions of the victims in the car but the exactly placement of the rifle at the correct distance from the target at the right height. It reproduced all of the injuries that occurred, including the transmission through JFK and the Governor (ribs and wrist), and the only difference that the bullet that hit "Governor Connally's leg" hit the spot but wasn't fast enough to get lodged. So it hit his leg in the exactly correct spot, but didn't get stuck there and fell out. Oh, the test bullet came up pretty clean.

The bullet in Connally stuck around and didn't fall out until he was on the gurney.

Not so much a magic bullet.
 
My all time favorite is the theory that NASA killed the Apollo 1 crew to keep Grissom from going public about his safety concerns regarding the Block 1 Command Module, and they accomplished this by making it look like an accident caused by a safety issue with the Block 1 Command Module.

One aspect of that fire that is never aired by the CTs. ALL previous pre mission(Mercry and Gemini) tests were conducted in a pure oxygen environment. NASA's luck finally ran out on that test.
Back to JFK.
 
Another big problem with the Magic Bullet claim is that the "pristine" bullet was anything but. There's one photo that's been circulated in which the bullet, at first glance, looks to be undeformed. But photographed from other angles it is clearly misshapen.

This links to the National Archive's JFK artifacts gallery. This is the bullet in question in high resolution:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305144

The #5 image shows deformation.

This is the full gallery with just about everything:

https://catalog.archives.gov/search...evelOfDescription=item&limit=20&sort=naId:asc

I should point out that in real, historic conspiracies involving the US Government, and or US Government insiders that key pieces of evidence are usually misplaced, or destroyed. But all of the bullets, and the weapons are sitting in a box in D.C.
 
Jeffrey Sachs has declared that the JFK assassination was a CIA operation. Considering that he is a significant figure in the intellectual world, I suppose you will ignore him and explain that no one ever gave credence to anything he said or did.

It's the skeptical way.

Given that Sachs is an economist and a promoter of nonsensical Conspiracy Theories and has little knowledge of the Kennedy Assassination it seems, the following correction is in order.

"... ,I suppose you will ignore him and explain that no one ever gave credence to any thing he said or did regarding the Kennedy assassination."
 
This was the one where they reproduced all the positions exactly, not just the positions of the victims in the car but the exactly placement of the rifle at the correct distance from the target at the right height. It reproduced all of the injuries that occurred, including the transmission through JFK and the Governor (ribs and wrist), and the only difference that the bullet that hit "Governor Connally's leg" hit the spot but wasn't fast enough to get lodged. So it hit his leg in the exactly correct spot, but didn't get stuck there and fell out. Oh, the test bullet came up pretty clean.

The bullet in Connally stuck around and didn't fall out until he was on the gurney.

Not so much a magic bullet.


IIRC, that re-enactment also showed the target's head go "back and to the left" just like JFK's head!
 
I should point out that in real, historic conspiracies involving the US Government, and or US Government insiders that key pieces of evidence are usually misplaced, or destroyed.

Did the CIA and/or FBI destroy any of their records re:Oswald after JFK’s assassination? I think I remember reading that from both conspiracy theorist writers and debunkers/skeptics of the CTs alike, but I’m not entirely sure.

Not that that is evidence of a US government conspiracy to kill Kennedy, of course—at any level of government/intelligence/law enforcement, when something catastrophic happens there is almost inevitably a CYA response from the relevant bureaucracies, for the simple reason that the public, journalists, members of Congress, and whoever else is demanding answers will seize upon any evidence of the government knowing something that IN HINDSIGHT was a blinking red warning light.

No one likes being publicly embarrassed or worse, accused of indefensible negligence.
 
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I don't have the name on hand, but there was the Dallas FBI agent who had interviewed (or at least attempted to) Marina Oswald, which lead Lee Harvey Oswald to call the FBI field office to complain about harrasment.

The agent was apparently in the office when Oswald was brought in after his arrest, which caused to latter to once again cry foul about harrasment. When the local agent in charge heard about it, he asked said agent to write up a report on the whole sorry saga, because he knew Hoover would have an absolute hissyfit when he found out.

However, after Oswald's death, it was pretty much decided it would be better for everyone involved (or at least their careers) to keep a lid on the story, and then agent was handed over his notes and the report with the suggestion he get rid of it. Which he then did.
 
Sachs also claims that the Maidan Revolution was actually a CIA-backed coup, and that the US forced Putin to attack Ukraine. :rolleyes:

ETA: And he also says that if JFK were President today, he'd end the war by appeasement. :rolleyes:

JFK would be 107 by the end of May -- if you think Biden is old, contemplate JFK as President today. He would make Biden look brilliant.
 
I wonder if you're thinking of Dale Myers. I was an Amiga user in the 90s and used it with the Video Toaster and Lightwave 3D. I can still remember the Amiga World issue that features it. It was pretty incredible at the time. I like others here bought into the conspiracy crap in my youth. That video was the start of my coming out of it.

Dale Myers study can be read about here:

https://www.jfkfiles.com/index.html
 
I don't have the name on hand, but there was the Dallas FBI agent who had interviewed (or at least attempted to) Marina Oswald, which lead Lee Harvey Oswald to call the FBI field office to complain about harrasment.

The agent was apparently in the office when Oswald was brought in after his arrest, which caused to latter to once again cry foul about harrasment. When the local agent in charge heard about it, he asked said agent to write up a report on the whole sorry saga, because he knew Hoover would have an absolute hissyfit when he found out.

However, after Oswald's death, it was pretty much decided it would be better for everyone involved (or at least their careers) to keep a lid on the story, and then agent was handed over his notes and the report with the suggestion he get rid of it. Which he then did.

James Hosty is the agent in question. His testimony before the Warren Commission is here:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/hosty.htm

The Senate in 1976 investigated the claims. You can find their summary starting on page 95 of the below document. Because of conflicts in the recollections of several persons, the Committee reached no conclusions, but merely detailed the conflicts.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_V.pdf

In short, several persons at the FBI officer remember an Oswald visit and a note left by Oswald for James Hosty. Hosty says he brought the note to the attention of his immediate supervisor, Gordon Shanklin, after the assassination, but Shanklin denied all knowledge of the note. Hosty says after Oswald was pronounced dead, Shanklin ordered him to destroy the note from Oswald and the memorandum Hosty prepared on the note. Hosty said he complied with that order. Shanklin said he gave no such order.

Ruth Paine mentioned learning of this visit from Oswald himself *before the assassination* in her testimony here, but she thought it a lie by Oswald because she had 'learned' the visit never happened (the FBI initially denied that visit to their offices by Oswald):

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_r2.htm

Mrs. PAINE - I don't recall anything Lee said. I will go on as to the recollections that came later. He told me that he had stopped at the downtown office of the FBI and tried to see the agents and left a note. And my impression of it is that this notice irritated.
Mr. JENNER - Irritating?
Mrs. PAINE - Irritated, that he left the note saying what he thought. This is reconstructing my impression of the fellows bothering him and his family, and this is my impression then. I couldn't say this was specifically said to him later.
Mr. JENNER - You mean he was irritated?
Mrs. PAINE - He was irritated and he said, "They are trying to inhibit my activities," and I said, "You passed your pamphlets," and could well have gone on to say what I thought, but I don't believe I did go on to say, that he could and should expect the FBI to be interested in him.
He had gone to the Soviet Union, intended to become a citizen there, and come back. He had just better adjust himself to being of interest to them for years to come.
Mr. JENNER - What did he say to that?
Mrs. PAINE - Now as I say, this I didn't go on to say. This was my feeling.
I didn't actually go on to say this. I did say, "Don't be inhibited, do what you think you should." But I was thinking in terms of passing pamphlets or expressing a belief in Fidel Castro, if that is why he had, I defend his right to express such a belief. I felt the FBI would too and that he had no reason to be irritated. But then that was my interpretation.
Mr. JENNER - Have you given all of what he said and what you said, however, on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. I will just go on to say that I learned only a few weeks ago that he never did go into the FBI office. Of course knowing, thinking that he had gone in, I thought that was sensible on his part. But it appears to have been another lie.

Oswald's wife likewise mentioned hearing of the visit directly from Lee. She professed not to believe him either:

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Lee comes off work at 5:30--comes from work at 5:30. They left at 5 o'clock, and we told them if they wanted to they could wait and Lee would be here soon. But they didn't want to wait.
Mr. RANKIN. And by "they" who do you mean? Do you recall the name of the other man beside Agent Hosty?
Mrs. OSWALD. There was only one man during the first visit. I don't remember his name. This was probably the date because there is his name and the date.
Mr. RANKIN. Now, what did you tell your husband about this visit by the FBI agent and the interview?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told him that they had come, that they were interested in where he was working and where he lived, and he was, again, upset.
He said that he would telephone them--I don't know whether he called or not--or that he would visit them.
Mr. RANKIN. Is that all you told him at that time about the interview?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I told him about the content of the interview, but now I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember anything else that happened in the interview that you could tell the Commission at this time?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told you that I had told them that I didn't want them to visit us, because we wanted to live peacefully, and that this was disturbing to us.
Mr. RANKIN. Was there anything else?
Mrs. OSWALD. There was more, but I don't remember now.
Mr. RANKIN. Now, during this period of time
Mrs. OSWALD. Excuse me. He said that he knew that Lee had been engaged in passing out leaflets for the Committee for Cuba. and he asked whether Lee was doing that here.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you answer that question?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say?
Mrs. OSWALD. I said that Lee does not engage in such activities here. This was not like an interview. It was simply a conversation. We talked about even some trifles that had no relationship to politics.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether or not your husband had any interviews or conversations with the FBI during this period?
Mrs. OSWALD. I know of two visits to the home of Ruth Paine, and I saw them each time. But I don't know of any interviews with Lee. Lee had told me that supposedly he had visited their office or their building. But I didn't believe him. I thought that he was a brave rabbit.
 
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American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html
 
American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html

Let's have some fun...

Using a densitometer, Dr. Mantik measured the light coming through the X-rays millimeter-by-millimeter (with some measurements at a tenth-of-a-millimeter calibration). After analyzing the JFK right lateral autopsy, Dr. Mantik provided forensic proof that the third and final shot hit JFK in the right temple by the ear. The bullet furrowed a trail to the back of JFK’s head and blew out a gaping, avulsive wound in the right occipital region of JFK’s skull.

Nope. Would have blown out the left side of JFK's skull, not the right front.

Zapruder Frame Z-331 is the frame the CIA would wish us to ignore. In Figure 5, you can see that at Z-331, JFK’s right temporal bone explodes from the impact of the bullet that hit JFK’s head obliquely, entering just above his right ear at the temporal bone. Zapruder Frame Z-331 occurs less than two seconds after the shot from the rear at Z-313.

Okay, what the hell? How is this considered a medical and forensic statement? First off, there is no fourth shot, certainly not one visible on the Zapruder Film. Everything in this statement is a delusional lie. Everything. This idiot knows nothing about ballistics. In paranormal research we call this "Matrixing", which is a polite way of saying the author is seeing something that isn't there, but wants it to be there.

The frontal headshot at Z-331 is what pushes JFK’s body violently back and to the left.

No. This has been debunked for decades. How does a guy get an MD and a PhD while sucking at basic physics? There is so much science he has to ignore to make this BS claim.

Clint Hill had to know the shot that hit JFK in the temporal bone by the right ear must have come from the grassy knoll—as made clear both by JFK’s body being thrown violently back and to the left from the impact, and from the backward-to-the-left outflow of brain matter from the wound.

Here's the thing, CLINT HILL WAS THERE ON THE STREET. I bought an autographed copy of his autobiography last year. Clint Hill says the shots all came from behind him, and he only heard two. The Grassy Knoll and the fence does not offer any concealment for someone with a rifle. Hill and the other Secret Service agents, the Dallas PD, and people standing in the line of fire would have seen this gunman. They didn't. Reports of witnesses only began years later as the CT picked up steam. Film of the Grassy Knoll show people running toward the fence as the shooting starts, something people don't do if that's where the bullets are coming from. People under the flight path of the 6th Floor sniper's nest ducked as the rounds cracked over their heads.

This book is nothing but twaddle. A waste of time by delusional people.
 
Ah, American Thinker, a fave of one of our previous conspiracy cranks who wanted the Clinton Death list to be real.

Also they claimed Hillary Clinton was going to enter the Democratic Primary in 2020 something like 5 times.
 
Ah, American Thinker, a fave of one of our previous conspiracy cranks who wanted the Clinton Death list to be real.

Also they claimed Hillary Clinton was going to enter the Democratic Primary in 2020 something like 5 times.

I suppose they’ve moved on to something much more plausible this time around, like Joe Biden being replaced by Michelle Obama at the Democratic National Convention. :rolleyes: :boggled:
 
American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html


Mantik is arguing out of both sides of his mouth. On the one hand, he claims the X-rays are fakes:

https://themantikview.org/

Based on three powerful clues from the extant autopsy X-rays at NARA, this data shows that the three skull X-rays are copies and that each one has been critically altered. One change was done quite specifically to incriminate Oswald. For further discussion, see his e-book, JFK's Head Wounds.


On the other hand, he argues the X-rays are legitimate and reveal a tangential entry wound in JFK's right temple:

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html

Using a densitometer, Dr. Mantik measured the light coming through the X-rays millimeter-by-millimeter (with some measurements at a tenth-of-a-millimeter calibration). After analyzing the JFK right lateral autopsy [x-ray], Dr. Mantik provided forensic proof that the third and final shot hit JFK in the right temple by the ear.


If the X-rays are faked, then you can draw no legitimate conclusions from them. If the X-rays are legitimate, you can reach conclusions, but your conclusions may not be correct.

In addition, your argument (or Mantik's and Corsi's that you cite here) is that Cyril Wecht and the other qualified forensic pathologists (with over 100,000 autopsies conducted in total between all the members of the panel) who reviewed the extant autopsy materials for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) didn't understand what they were looking at? And that the three original autopsists who had the body in front of them couldn't determine an entry wound from an exit wound? And Mantik determined this from fake X-rays?

It appears from here he will say anything as long as it sells.

For starters, you could explain how the X-rays he examined can be both legitimate and fake. Then, explain how his conclusions about what constitutes an entry wound from an exit from faked X-rays can be meaningful.
 
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American Thinker

May 22, 2024

A Forensic Analysis Of The X-Rays of JFK’s Skull Yields Surprising Results

By Jerome R. Corsi

We now know with forensic certainty that two frontal headshots and one shot from the rear at a low angle (not from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository) killed JFK. The evidence for these conclusions comes from a new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, that I have recently published with Dr. David W. Mantik, who has a Ph.D. in physics and a medical practice extending over five decades as a radiation oncologist and who has seen the JFK autopsy skull X-rays more than anyone else.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...of_jfk_s_skull_yields_surprising_results.html


Mantik argues, from here:

https://themantikview.org/readmore.html

Ultimately, however, these issues must be faced honestly and responsibly. It is no longer sufficient merely to quote a lawyer turned journalist on these serious questions, nor can the matter be left to the most amateur of professions—the media.


Nor is it sufficient merely to quote a long-time conspiracy theorist on these serious questions, as you have done. Nor can the matter be left to part-time amateur sleuths quoting long-time conspiracy theorists such as Mantik.
 

Elmer Boyd's testimony before the Warren Commission staff lawyers is here:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/boyd.htm

Reference is made to a typewritten memorandum for the record prepared jointly by Boyd and Detective Richard M. Sims. That can be seen here:
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0267b.htm

Sims' testimony is here:
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/sims.htm
 
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Sorry I'm late busting back into the party. Anything new, novel or interesting since Robert Prey got the can tied to his tail after getting waxed so many times?
 
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