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[Continuation] JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

smartcooky said:
In actual fact, the exact opposite is true. With a group involved in a conspiracy, there are many personalities in play. The more people who are involved in a conspiracy, the more chance there is that one of them won't be able to keep him mouth shut. The more the members of the group have to communicate with each other, the more chances there are to intercept those communications and to gather intel.

But the lone fanatic is a different proposition - he's the one factor that is the most difficult to prepare for. He does all the planning himself, he tells no-one what he is doing, and communicates with no-one else... James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley Jr, Mark David Chapman, Robert John Bardo.
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Exactly.

The only one of those you named who I have any doubt as to whether he acted alone was James Earl Ray—there is some suspicion about his brothers possibly helping him, and in killing MLK he may have been trying to collect a bounty that some white supremacist businessmen in certain cities were raising (Kansas City or St. Louis IIRC, and probably some Southern cities). I’m sure these were some of the same men involved with the Klan and White Citizens’ Councils, which themselves had allies and members in local law enforcement in many places, especially the South—and Memphis is obviously in the South.

But white supremacists/segregationists being prominent in American politics and broader society isn’t exactly a conspiracy theory. And in any case the aforementioned businessmen, local cops and sheriffs’ departments, and so forth wouldn’t have been necessarily involved in Ray’s plot themselves—just providing monetary incentives or turning a blind eye to any racist who was willing to murder the nation’s most prominent black civil rights leader. And there were (and are) a lot of racists in America, unfortunately, and some of them are armed.

Moreover, I bet King would have encountered many more real or potential threats to his life than JFK or RFK, and was certainly less protected than the President. The FBI didn’t exactly like him (understatement). But your broader point about the lone assassin with nothing to lose being much more dangerous and harder to detect than a conspiracy is taken. I fully agree. :thumbsup:
 
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mikegriffith1 said:
I've read many JFK assassination conspiracy books, and the overwhelming majority do not express "a world view that believes there is a conspiracy behind everything."

And it's worth mentioning again that a select committee of the U.S. Congress, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, concluded that two gunmen fired at JFK,
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As has been noted, their basis for concluding there were two gunmen has crumbled. The dictabelt stuff does not support a second shooter, not at all.


that someone inside the Dallas Police Department HQ building helped Jack Ruby get into the basement to shoot Oswald, that Oswald had a relationship with several radically anti-communist CIA assets, that someone was impersonating Oswald in Mexico City, and that one of the gunmen who fired at JFK was on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza.
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I am not sufficiently familiar with the HSCA report, can you point me to where they drew that conclusion and upon what basis they did?

I have never heard anyone attribute these conclusions to them previously.
 
Looks like I'm diving back into the records because I missed this one:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...arren-commission-critic-mark-lane/1018691001/

Mark Lane had a "relationship" with the KGB...

Mark Lane, the New York attorney who challenged the findings of the commission that investigated the JFK assassination had a “trusted relationship” with the Soviet KGB, according to a KGB informant for the CIA.

Lane’s relationship with the KGB, which was revealed in new files released from the investigation of the assassination of President John F Kennedy, was disclosed by a little-known Soviet informant code named Shamrock. That source, a KGB official who worked in the Soviet delegation office at the United Nations, contacted the CIA on Jan. 16, 1967, and agreed to share information with both the CIA and FBI, an April 4, 1967, FBI memo shows.

Shamrock’s name was made public for the first time among the more than 35,500 files connected to the Kennedy investigation that were released late last year.
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Well written and short piece.
 
I love the self-contradictory narrative of so many JFK conspiracy theories.


“The US military and national security state are all-powerful and can get away with anything.
Also, this one charismatic young President was such a threat that ‘they’ had to LITERALLY KILL him.”

Seems a tad inconsistent in my view.
 
It's kind of a standard two-step.

"How did NASA fake all the moonwalking and other evidence so convincingly?"
"They're NASA; they're really smart and they can do anything."
"Except, apparently, figure out how to actually send people to the Moon."
 
Allen773 said:
I love the self-contradictory narrative of so many JFK conspiracy theories.


“The US military and national security state are all-powerful and can get away with anything.
Also, this one charismatic young President was such a threat that ‘they’ had to LITERALLY KILL him.”

Seems a tad inconsistent in my view.
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"Also, they are so all-powerful and fiendishly clever that they were unable to cover it up, thereby leaving all these clues"
 
Axxman300 said:
Yup, and then you have to kill the killers, and then kill their killers, and then those killers until eventually everyone in North America is dead.
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No, the conspiracy theorists just assert that the CIA and military-industrial complex controls the media and has “blacked out” anything that contradicts the “Official Story” of (insert whatever event or subject that conspiracy theorists are obsessed with here).

And if you challenge them in any way, they accuse you of being a dupe or asset, mock you for “wanting to work at Langley”, etc. Because obviously the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc, were “inside jobs”, and only a “bootlicker” would disagree.:rolleyes:
 
Axxman300 said:
The CIA has satellite offices all over the place.:D
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A-ha! I KNEW IT!

You see, everyone, I actually met Axxman back in the 60s when I was an investigative journalist for The Daily Bugle. We were tracking Spider-Man in Europe—there were rumors that he was in Vienna at the time, and J. Jonah Jameson insisted that we expose “that menace Spider-Man.”

When I was over there, I was introduced to Axxman because my local contact thought I should be connected to “someone from the American Embassy here.” “Cultural attache”, yeah right. :rolleyes:

:D
 
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See, this is why conspiracy theories can often make great historical fiction. They engage with many of the same parts of the brain from which imagination and creativity (read: art) come from, which in turn help us find meaning (and moral and ethical principles and guidelines) in novels, plays, mythology, parables, religious faith, spirituality, and so on.

But the basic mistake that many, many people—including to some extent and in some situations, those of us who are generally pretty skeptical and well-educated and well-informed, if we’re being honest—make is to confuse all of that with empirical evidence, ie. the world of material facts and data. These are just not the same things.
 
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After all these years there is still some info coming out.

This is an interview with a man (a retired university professor) who was a friend of Oswald in the summer of 1963. Considerable insight into Oswald's character from someone who spent a lot of time with him and Marina.


In this interview, Gregory recalls these incidents and, as a scholar and skilled researcher, debunks the vast array of assassination conspiracy theories by demonstrating that Lee Harvey Oswald indeed killed Kennedy and acted alone—that the Oswald he once called a friend had the motive, the intelligence, and the means to commit one of the most shocking crimes in American history. 
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Worth a listen IMHO.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
After all these years there is still some info coming out.

This is an interview with a man (a retired university professor) who was a friend of Oswald in the summer of 1963. Considerable insight into Oswald's character from someone who spent a lot of time with him and Marina.




Worth a listen IMHO.
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Interesting! Thanks.

A lot of the comments are (depressingly) what you’d expect on any online comments section about the JFK assassination (ie. “Oswald was a patsy!” “CIA/Mafia, etc. did it” “Single bullet theory/Warren Commission is a joke!” “Wake up, sheeple!”
 
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Perhaps I’ve missed something, but have any JFK conspiracy theorists—particularly the “Oswald was an innocent patsy” crowd) put forward the names of any other individual(s) for who actually shot JFK, Connally, and/or Tippit?

And I mean actual human names; ie., who pulled the trigger, not “who/which organization ordered it.” We all know who shot Oswald.
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
After all these years there is still some info coming out.

This is an interview with a man (a retired university professor) who was a friend of Oswald in the summer of 1963. Considerable insight into Oswald's character from someone who spent a lot of time with him and Marina.




Worth a listen IMHO.
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I'm getting that book. Thanks for posting.
 
Allen773 said:
Perhaps I’ve missed something, but have any JFK conspiracy theorists—particularly the “Oswald was an innocent patsy” crowd) put forward the names of any other individual(s) for who actually shot JFK, Connally, and/or Tippit?

And I mean actual human names; ie., who pulled the trigger, not “who/which organization ordered it.” We all know who shot Oswald.
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Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
 
Axxman300 said:
Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
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Now the YouTube algorithm is serving me up lots of JFK conspiracy videos. :(

And the answer to your question per:



is Roscoe White!

(I did NOT listen to the whole hour-and-a-half!)
 
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Axxman300 said:
Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
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The buffoons the Nixon campaign hired for their skullduggery (and who got caught in the act at the Watergate by undercover cops, something that famously eventually led to Nixon and many in his administration’s downfall)? Fascinating choices for the alleged, successful, and successfully covered-up “Deep State” coup against the President!
 
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Hunt had a long career at CIA, wrote a few spy novels along the way.

Sturgis was kind of a badass. Lot's black ops on his resume'.

Neither were involved in the assassination. Hunt is on record for opposing JFK's expansion of the CIA's reach well outside if the charter. He didn't like the CIA reaching out to journalists to help spread their world-view, something that began under Kennedy,
 
Axxman300 said:
Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
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Yup.

We've even someone claim to have been the "second gunman on the Grassy Knoll", a particularly stupid man called James Files

Vincent Bugliosi, (Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy) reckons that Files is the "Rodney Dangerfield of Kennedy assassins". :D
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Axxman300 said:
Hunt had a long career at CIA, wrote a few spy novels along the way.

Sturgis was kind of a badass. Lot's black ops on his resume'.

Neither were involved in the assassination. Hunt is on record for opposing JFK's expansion of the CIA's reach well outside if the charter. He didn't like the CIA reaching out to journalists to help spread their world-view, something that began under Kennedy,
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While on the subject of Hunt and Sturgis, and JFK assassination CTs, have you heard of the related Watergate CTs ( ie. “Nixon was framed by the CIA”)? I say related because there’s more overlap between the promoters and believers of the two than you might think.

Of course, there are people who believe the CIA/“Deep State” is behind every major historical/political event. It’s arguably worse than ever now, with the Internet and social media, and things like QAnon.
 
Allen773 said:
While on the subject of Hunt and Sturgis, and JFK assassination CTs, have you heard of the related Watergate CTs ( ie. “Nixon was framed by the CIA”)? I say related because there’s more overlap between the promoters and believers of the two than you might think.

Of course, there are people who believe the CIA/“Deep State” is behind every major historical/political event. It’s arguably worse than ever now, with the Internet and social media, and things like QAnon.
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The short answer is Nixon shot himself in the foot. Due to his paranoia, he self-destructed (seriously, nobody was voting for McGovern, and everyone except a few in the DNC and Nixon knew this).

Throw in G. Gordon Liddy and what you get is Watergate. In fact, thanks to Liddy, the idea of a vast government conspiracy behind anything becomes a black comedy because most real operations have been run by men like Liddy. He is the mirror image of the conspiracy theorist. He takes a simple problem and applied a convoluted solution to solve it. And then got caught, and everything lead back to the White House.

As for the CIA, Vietnam, Cambodia, Argentina, and Iran had a handicapping affect on the agency across the board. Throw in the fact that times and technologies were changing, and nobody seemed to know which way to go in 1971-72, and it's had to see the CIA being behind anything.
 
And here we go...

Former Secret Service Agent "breaks his silence":

https://dnyuz.com/2023/09/09/j-f-k-...-breaks-his-silence-and-raises-new-questions/

Skip to the good part:

What it comes down to is a copper-jacketed 6.5-millimeter projectile. The Warren Commission decided that one of the bullets fired that day struck the president from behind, exited from the front of his throat and continued on to hit Mr. Connally, somehow managing to injure his back, chest, wrist and thigh. It seemed incredible that a single bullet could do all that, so skeptics called it the magic bullet theory.

Investigators came to that conclusion partly because the bullet was found on a stretcher believed to have held Mr. Connally at Parkland Memorial Hospital, so they assumed it had exited his body during efforts to save his life. But Mr. Landis, who was never interviewed by the Warren Commission, said that is not what happened.

In fact, he said, he was the one who found the bullet — and he found it not in the hospital near Mr. Connally but in the presidential limousine lodged in the back of the seat behind where Kennedy was sitting.

When he spotted the bullet after the motorcade arrived at the hospital, he said he grabbed it to thwart souvenir hunters. Then, for reasons that still seem fuzzy even to him, he said he entered the hospital and placed it next to Kennedy on the president’s stretcher, assuming it could somehow help doctors figure out what happened. At some point, he now guesses, the stretchers must have been pushed together and the bullet was shaken from one to another.

“There was nobody there to secure the scene, and that was a big, big bother to me,” Mr. Landis said. “All the agents that were there were focused on the president.” A crowd was gathering. “This was all going on so quickly. And I was just afraid that — it was a piece of evidence, that I realized right away. Very important. And I didn’t want it to disappear or get lost. So it was, ‘Paul, you’ve got to make a decision,’ and I grabbed it.’”

Mr. Landis theorizes that the bullet struck Kennedy in the back but for some reason was undercharged and did not penetrate deeply, therefore popping back out before the president’s body was removed from the limousine.

Mr. Landis has been reluctant to speculate on the larger implications. He always believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman.
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Here's the important part:

Mr. Landis’s account varies in a couple of respects from two written statements he filed in the week after the shooting. Aside from not mentioning finding the bullet, he reported hearing only two shots. “I do not recall hearing a third shot,” he wrote. Likewise, he did not mention going into the trauma room where Kennedy was taken, writing that he “remained outside by the door” when the first lady went in.
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My dime-store evaluation? This is what untreated PTSD looks like. Those interested in the JFK administration and that part of US history should read:
The Kennedy Detail: JFK's Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence. These guys drank like fish before the assassination, and it got much worse afterword, as this was a time when men didn't discuss their feeling because they weren't allowed to have feelings.

He didn't report finding the bullet to anyone on the day of the assassination, or in his official statements at the time - when it should be fresh in his memory. I feel for the guy, but he's been manipulated to sell books.

Watch for the usual circus that this story will generate.
 
Axxman300 said:
And here we go...

Former Secret Service Agent "breaks his silence":

https://dnyuz.com/2023/09/09/j-f-k-...-breaks-his-silence-and-raises-new-questions/

Skip to the good part:



Here's the important part:



My dime-store evaluation? This is what untreated PTSD looks like. Those interested in the JFK administration and that part of US history should read:
The Kennedy Detail: JFK's Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence. These guys drank like fish before the assassination, and it got much worse afterword, as this was a time when men didn't discuss their feeling because they weren't allowed to have feelings.

He didn't report finding the bullet to anyone on the day of the assassination, or in his official statements at the time - when it should be fresh in his memory. I feel for the guy, but he's been manipulated to sell books.

Watch for the usual circus that this story will generate.
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This a good example of memory loss over time. The description given: "In fact, he said, he was the one who found the bullet — and he found it not in the hospital near Mr. Connally but in the presidential limousine lodged in the back of the seat behind where Kennedy was sitting."
Doesn't make sense geometrically. There was no seat behind where the President was riding, as he was in the rear seat. Further given the description of Connally's wounds, the bullet if lodged in a seat would logically be lodged in the seat upon which Connally was sitting, which is in front of where the President was seated.
So, yea this will be a circus also.
 
Yeah, you see similar stuff re: the chaos, confusion, shock, horror, lasting trauma, and loss or distortion of memory over time (in some cases, helped along by interviews with conspiracy theorists) with eyewitnesses to RFK’s assassination. And all of this has been further colored by these being seminal historical events/memories—again, with decades of conspiracy theorists muddying the waters.

Frustrating, to say the least.
 
Found this on Quora: I don't recall the 'Rose' story below and some other rare - well to me - mentions of sideline characters

Those who believe the WCR believe that Oswald was a lone nut who fate put in the perfect place to kill JFK and that when he saw the parade route in the paper decided he would make himself famous. If that were true no one but Oswald would have been aware JFK would be in danger that day, (With the possible exception of anyone he told about his plans)

First you have Joseph Milteer. An FBI informant taped a conversation with Milteer who said in that tape that JFK was going to be assassinated, shot from a tall building with a patsy arrested quickly and blamed for the shooting. There is a photo that looks remarkably like Milteer in Dealy Plaza. Some claim it isn’t him but his features are unique enough I don’t rule out it being Milteer.

Next you have Rose Cherami. Rose Cheramie was found unconsciousness by the side of the road at Eunice, Louisiana, on 20th November, 1963. Lieutenant Francis Frugé of the Louisiana State Police took her to the state hospital. On the journey Cheramie said that she had been thrown out of a car by two gangsters who worked for Jack Ruby. She claimed that the men were involved in a plot to kill John F. Kennedy. Cheramie added that Kennedy would be killed in Dallas within a few days. Later she told the same story to doctors and nurses who treated her. As she appeared to be under the influence of drugs her story was ignored. Only after JFK was assassinated did they take her story seriously.

Another interesting story is Eugene Dirkin. He was an Army cryptographer assigned to monitor transmissions. and had the army’s highest crypto clearance. He intercepted communications between Bill Harvey and/or Guy Bannister and members of the the French Guerini Mob including people like Lucien Sarti, and Jean Soutre arranging the assassination of JFK for Dallas and in November. He tried to alert top officials and even wrote a letter to Bobby Kennedy warning him of the danger to JFK in Dallas. Dirkin’s life was ruined by his attempts to save JFK.

Richard Nagell is another interesting story. He went into a bank and shot his gun up into the ceiling. He claimed he didn’t want to rob the bank, that he wanted to be arrested so he would be in Jail when JFK was assassinated since some behind the assassination wanted to use him as a Patsy and he wanted to protect himself by having a rock solid alibi.

There are more such as Madeleine Duncan Brown who accompanied LBJ to a party on 11/21/63 and was told by LBJ "After tomorrow, those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again. That's no threat. That's a promise."

Brown said that on New Year's Eve 1963, she met with Lyndon Johnson at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, Texas, and that Johnson confirmed the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, insisting that "Texas oil and ... renegade intelligence bastards in Washington" had been responsible. Brown alleged that Johnson did not attempt to stop the assassination because he hated Kennedy and had an intense desire to be President. Brown also said that she witnessed Oswald meeting with Ruby in the Carousel Club prior to the assassination, but did not specify how long before the assassination this meeting had occurred.

Brown as she looked when she had the affair with Lyndon above. Below a more recent look

There are others who seemed to have know in advance. Even Jack Ruby invited a friend to view the motorcade from a vantage point across from the TSBD and his words were “Come watch the fireworks” https://qr.ae/pKtRyJ
 
Hans said:
Found this on Quora: I don't recall the 'Rose' story below and some other rare - well to me - mentions of sideline characters

Those who believe the WCR believe that Oswald was a lone nut who fate put in the perfect place to kill JFK and that when he saw the parade route in the paper decided he would make himself famous. If that were true no one but Oswald would have been aware JFK would be in danger that day, (With the possible exception of anyone he told about his plans)

First you have Joseph Milteer. An FBI informant taped a conversation with Milteer who said in that tape that JFK was going to be assassinated, shot from a tall building with a patsy arrested quickly and blamed for the shooting. There is a photo that looks remarkably like Milteer in Dealy Plaza. Some claim it isn’t him but his features are unique enough I don’t rule out it being Milteer.

Next you have Rose Cherami. Rose Cheramie was found unconsciousness by the side of the road at Eunice, Louisiana, on 20th November, 1963. Lieutenant Francis Frugé of the Louisiana State Police took her to the state hospital. On the journey Cheramie said that she had been thrown out of a car by two gangsters who worked for Jack Ruby. She claimed that the men were involved in a plot to kill John F. Kennedy. Cheramie added that Kennedy would be killed in Dallas within a few days. Later she told the same story to doctors and nurses who treated her. As she appeared to be under the influence of drugs her story was ignored. Only after JFK was assassinated did they take her story seriously.

Another interesting story is Eugene Dirkin. He was an Army cryptographer assigned to monitor transmissions. and had the army’s highest crypto clearance. He intercepted communications between Bill Harvey and/or Guy Bannister and members of the the French Guerini Mob including people like Lucien Sarti, and Jean Soutre arranging the assassination of JFK for Dallas and in November. He tried to alert top officials and even wrote a letter to Bobby Kennedy warning him of the danger to JFK in Dallas. Dirkin’s life was ruined by his attempts to save JFK.

Richard Nagell is another interesting story. He went into a bank and shot his gun up into the ceiling. He claimed he didn’t want to rob the bank, that he wanted to be arrested so he would be in Jail when JFK was assassinated since some behind the assassination wanted to use him as a Patsy and he wanted to protect himself by having a rock solid alibi.

There are more such as Madeleine Duncan Brown who accompanied LBJ to a party on 11/21/63 and was told by LBJ "After tomorrow, those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again. That's no threat. That's a promise."

Brown said that on New Year's Eve 1963, she met with Lyndon Johnson at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, Texas, and that Johnson confirmed the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, insisting that "Texas oil and ... renegade intelligence bastards in Washington" had been responsible. Brown alleged that Johnson did not attempt to stop the assassination because he hated Kennedy and had an intense desire to be President. Brown also said that she witnessed Oswald meeting with Ruby in the Carousel Club prior to the assassination, but did not specify how long before the assassination this meeting had occurred.

Brown as she looked when she had the affair with Lyndon above. Below a more recent look

There are others who seemed to have know in advance. Even Jack Ruby invited a friend to view the motorcade from a vantage point across from the TSBD and his words were “Come watch the fireworks” https://qr.ae/pKtRyJ
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Everything here was a lie. Debunked decades ago. Jack Ruby was at the Dallas newspaper office at the time of the assassination.

Oswald never went to the Carousel Club, even for fun (Oswald didn't have fun).

Richard Nagell allegedly shot up the bank in September, and was one of Jim Garrison's trained monkeys. Read an official document about him here:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10123-10029.pdf

Eugene Dirkin didn't intercept a cable. He told the FBI he "divined" it from reading Stars & Stripes, and found an anti-Kennedy subtext/bias leading him to think a conspiracy was afoot. On other words, a nutjob.

I can do this for the entire list, but you get the idea.
 
If someone—or a group of people, the Mob, a foreign government, a rogue part of the US government, whomever—wanted to find someone to kill JFK, why not send an attractive young woman assassin? It’s JFK!! If you want to talk about the opportunity part of “means, motive, and opportunity…”

Regardless, Oswald and Ruby are just about the last people in the world any real conspirators would use to kill the President of the United States, unless the conspirators wanted to be arrested themselves. 60 years later, and still no credible evidence of any conspiracy.
 
Along those lines, as people have pointed out in previous iterations of this thread, why bother to assassinate JFK at all? Why not just get some compromising photos and force him to resign in disgrace?
 
SpitfireIX said:
Along those lines, as people have pointed out in previous iterations of this thread, why bother to assassinate JFK at all? Why not just get some compromising photos and force him to resign in disgrace?
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Because, if there were a conspiracy (there wasn't), it would be possible to set up the murder to make Kennedy a martyr in a way advantageous to the murderers.
 
Here's a CIA cable to numerous Agency stations and bases around the world dated July 19, 1968 (read: less than two months after RFK's assassination, which had immediately created renewed interest in JFK conspiracy theories, as noted in the cable). It mentions an article in The New Yorker by Edward Jay Epstein about Jim Garrison's investigation into the JFK assassination in New Orleans, and also contains advice for CIA personnel stationed overseas how to deal with local accusations in their respective postings alleging CIA and FBI involvement in the assassination.

What I find fascinating about this is that not only is the cable author advising CIA officers overseas to use the New Yorker article to brief "interested contacts, especially government and political leaders" regarding the assassination conspiracy theories and to "demonstrate to assets...that there is no hard evidence of any such conspiracy"; but also, the recommendation that CIA officers have their assets brief the aforementioned "interested contacts" about the structure of the US judicial system, including "the separation between federal and state courts and the fact that judges and district attorneys in the states are usually elected, not appointed" and a result, DA Garrison is only accountable to voters and thus can continue his investigation.

The other interesting thing is that the cable concludes with the directive that "any personal attacks* upon Garrison (or any other public official) must be strictly avoided." Good on the CIA for including that---not that it was EVER reciprocated by Garrison and other conspiracy theorists, obviously! :rolleyes:

*underlining in the original cable.

Overall though, fascinating stuff. :thumbsup:

Read the cable here: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/104-10012-10076.pdf
 
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No, Mr. President, the elevator is out of order. We can take the very steep, concrete-floor staircase with the simple handrail, the stairs a little wet from being freshly mopped.

Oops.
 
JayUtah said:
It's kind of a standard two-step.

"How did NASA fake all the moonwalking and other evidence so convincingly?"
"They're NASA; they're really smart and they can do anything."
"Except, apparently, figure out how to actually send people to the Moon."
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My all time favorite is the theory that NASA killed the Apollo 1 crew to keep Grissom from going public about his safety concerns regarding the Block 1 Command Module, and they accomplished this by making it look like an accident caused by a safety issue with the Block 1 Command Module.
 
I recently discovered historian Sean Munger's YouTube channel, and I've been enjoying his videos. He has a two part deep dive on the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. Part 1 is 1 hour 44 minutes, and Part 2 is 1 hour 49 minutes, but they're well worth watching, and they're divided into chapters that make it easier to watch them in sections.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptt1ti63IiE
 
Foster Zygote said:
I recently discovered historian Sean Munger's YouTube channel, and I've been enjoying his videos. He has a two part deep dive on the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. Part 1 is 1 hour 44 minutes, and Part 2 is 1 hour 49 minutes, but they're well worth watching, and they're divided into chapters that make it easier to watch them in sections.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptt1ti63IiE
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Yes, he does excellent work with these.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
No, Mr. President, the elevator is out of order. We can take the very steep, concrete-floor staircase with the simple handrail, the stairs a little wet from being freshly mopped.

Oops.
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So that's why Trump insisted on holding hands!
 
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