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[Continuation] JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

Dr. David Mantik's newly released book JFK Assassination Paradoxes, in which he proves with hard scientific evidence--optical density measurements and radiological analysis--that the JFK autopsy skull x-rays have been altered. As Dr. Greg Henkelmann says in his endorsement of this book, "to reject alteration of the JFK skull x-rays is to reject basic physics and radiology."

He's hardly alone. There is a new more widespread book on the assassination, based on interviews with "researchers, scholars, eyewitnesses, and family members of those who were part of the tangled web of US intelligence operations associated with the Cold War and the circumstances surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy", Jack Roth's Killing Kennedy: Exposing the Plot, the Cover-Up, and the Consequences

It's more of the same, with a fancier package. The introduction by Cyril Wecht is its own warning.
 
"...at least two gubmen?" Aw hell, Mike, there was six of us potting away at that race traitor catholic! And that's just my crew on the glassy knoll! Up in the book incinerator,* I know for a hard radiological fact that the CIA mob had twelve or a baker's dozen Cuban zombie sharkshooters! No, they couldn't hit a telephone booth from inside (Govt. House White Label Rum, 100 proof, will make both your eyes see double) but at least they tried!

Old stuff, Mike. Try a verse of "This land is my land, It sure ain't yer land, In my Gulf Stream trailer, To the old glad hand!" or however it goes.

* It was Texas. Still is.


Hey, whaddabout the shooter in the Dal-Tex building? Whaddabout the shooter on the roof of Dallas Police HQ building? Whaddabout the shooter hiding in the storm drain on Elm Street? Whaddabout the other 75 shooters who had JFK caught in a 360° crossfire and fired two and a half thousand bullets (not one of which was recovered by the way) and managed to hit only two people?
 
Jim Fetzer unironically claimed that there were six shooters in Dealey Plaza, firing a total of 9 shots. He can even name all six shooters:

 
Hey, whaddabout the shooter in the Dal-Tex building? Whaddabout the shooter on the roof of Dallas Police HQ building? Whaddabout the shooter hiding in the storm drain on Elm Street? Whaddabout the other 75 shooters who had JFK caught in a 360° crossfire and fired two and a half thousand bullets (not one of which was recovered by the way) and managed to hit only two people?

See...what happened was all of those bullets ricocheted off the sidewalk, and shot straight up into the atmosphere (because they were secret CIA bullets), and went into orbit. On 9/11/2001, all of those bullet fell out of orbit at once, and struct World Trade Center-7. The force of the impact collapsed the building.

The media never covered this.:D
 
Now, now..the Onion reports only 49 shooters firing at least 129 times.

https://www.theonion.com/november-22-1963-1819587981

They're in on the conspiracy. Anyone who doesn't believe my 79 shooter*, 2557 bullet, 360° crossfire scenario must be in on the conspiracy...

++ asks ++ - "This is how conspiracy theories work, right? Anyone who questions the theory by using facts and evidence must be one of them"


* BTW, 1/3 of the shooters were on the Grassy Knoll!!!
 
Jim Fetzer unironically claimed that there were six shooters in Dealey Plaza, firing a total of 9 shots. He can even name all six shooters:


Another CT who believes most any CT that comes around the block. He is not known for his accuracy, just plain old BS.
 
See...what happened was all of those bullets ricocheted off the sidewalk, and shot straight up into the atmosphere (because they were secret CIA bullets), and went into orbit. On 9/11/2001, all of those bullet fell out of orbit at once, and struct World Trade Center-7. The force of the impact collapsed the building.

The media never covered this.:D

A second shooter has just hit the President!











(I'm sorry.)
 
They're in on the conspiracy. Anyone who doesn't believe my 79 shooter*, 2557 bullet, 360° crossfire scenario must be in on the conspiracy...

++ asks ++ - "This is how conspiracy theories work, right? Anyone who questions the theory by using facts and evidence must be one of them"


* BTW, 1/3 of the shooters were on the Grassy Knoll!!!

FOOL it was mole men flinging nitrogen frozen egg salad that did in Kennedy - everyone knows that!
 
FOOL it was mole men flinging nitrogen frozen egg salad that did in Kennedy - everyone knows that!

MY theory: 1 Shooter - Oswald. Only one bullet struck Kennedy, in the back and did its thing. Any other/shots bullets are inconsequential. In the immediate aftermath, JFK's mind briefly considered the loonacy and CTs that would follow the event. The result was Zapruder film frame 313.



Now, I must apologize to JFK and his family for this silly black humor concept, but I do believe it is not as silly as any of the cockamamy conspiracies that continue to be promoted.
 
Dr. David Mantik's newly released book JFK Assassination Paradoxes, in which he proves with hard scientific evidence--optical density measurements and radiological analysis--that the JFK autopsy skull x-rays have been altered. As Dr. Greg Henkelmann says in his endorsement of this book, "to reject alteration of the JFK skull x-rays is to reject basic physics and radiology."

This is ground-breaking if true. Why not published in a scientific medical journal and subjected to peer review? Is Mantik the only radiologist to hold this view or is his view the generally accepted one among radiologists? It appears from here yours is the misplaced argument from [invalid] authority logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argum...guments from authority,in the matter at hand".



Lone-gunman theorists seem to be caught in a time warp and act like we're living in the early 1990s, seemingly oblivious to the historic evidence that has come to light via the ARRB releases and new scientific research.

Sorry, no. There's nothing wrong with the original evidence.


For example, we now know from ARRB-released files that the autopsy doctors determined for an absolute fact during the autopsy that JFK's back wound had no exit point, and that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about a bullet exiting the throat. The autopsy doctors, we now know, probed the back wound extensively after removing the chest organs and while positioning the body in different angles and positions. Toward the end of the probing, Dr. Finck informed the two FBI observers (Sibert and O'Neill) that the back wound had no exit point. One of the medical technicians who witnessed the probing could see the end of the probe pushing against the lining of the chest cavity--he could see that the wound was shallow and had no exit point. The HSCA medical panel was aware of this evidence but chose to suppress it by sealing it for 50 years, but the ARRB released it in the mid-1990s.

You're accusing the HSCA medical panel, including Dr. Wecht, a long-time conspiracist, of covering up the medical evidence. Why has Wecht himself not on the record concerning this cover-up in his testimony to the HSCA or his published dissent?


The fact that the back wound had no exit point, of course, debunks the single-bullet theory, and without the single-bullet theory there can be no lone-gunman theory. Since the SBT is false, there must have been at least two gunmen firing at JFK.

Since your claims are unsourced, I'm not going to bother to rebut them to any greater extent than I already have. Instead, I'll point out your argument now involves TWO MAGIC BULLETS.

You've argued the single bullet theory (one bullet striking two men, disparagingly called the Magic Bullet Theory by conspiracists) is untenable, but you have replaced it with a Two Magic Bullets Theory.

It's clear you are positing two different bullets hitting the President in the upper back / neck, both of which vanished into thin air.

You explicitly mention the back wound and claim it did not exit, and argue this means the single bullet wound is false, but you fail to explain the throat wound, which was seen in Parkland before being obscured by the tracheotomy performed through that wound to give JFK an airway. What happened to that bullet?

If we accept your analysis for the moment for the sake of argument, that means you are positing a bullet strike to the throat and another to the upper back, with neither bullet exiting and yet neither bullet being found in the body.

What happened to those two missing bullets? Shouldn't they have been found in the body? They mysteriously vanished into thin air by the time of the autopsy (full body x-rays of JFK were performed, and no bullets were seen in the body).

Now we get into the truly outer limits of the fringe, where it's posited (of necessity) the missing bullets were removed clandestinely by surgeons who conducted a pre-autopsy autopsy, and who altered JFK's body to make it look like one bullet transited the body to fool the autopsy doctors of record. That was the purpose you suppose, but you then argue it didn't fool the autopsy doctors (they couldn't find the transit, you argue).

Your theory makes little sense when examined in detail, as it relies on two magic bullets.

It's also different from the body-alteration theory posited originally by David Lifton in BEST EVIDENCE, who argued all the shooters were in front of the President and the wounds in the upper back and in the back of the head were not from bullets entering there, but from fake wounds added later to the President's body by the alterationists. You posit a real bullet striking JFK in the upper back (no word yet on whether you think there was a real bullet wound in the back of the head).

Of course, Lifton's theory has its own issues, not the least of which is that Governor Connally wounds indicate he was shot from behind and above, and if all the shooters were in front of the President, as Lifton argues, then they were in front of the Governor as well, as Connally was riding in the same car as the President. Lifton's theory means Governor Connally's wounds were altered to look like they were inflicted from behind as well, but in the 42 years since his theory's publication in 1980, Lifton has never explained how and when Connally's wounds were altered (sometime on the five-minute ride to Parkland, I imagine).

Carrying CT arguments to their logical conclusion is why reasonable people don't find CT arguments believable.
 
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Since your claims are unsourced, I'm not going to bother to rebut them to any greater extent than I already have. Instead, I'll point out your argument now involves TWO MAGIC BULLETS.

You've argued the single bullet theory (one bullet striking two men, disparagingly called the Magic Bullet Theory by conspiracists) is untenable, but you have replaced it with a Two Magic Bullets Theory.

It's fairly well understood now (well at least, to anyone who has a functioning brain) that there is nothing magic about a bullet that travels in what is effectively a straight line though one person, and into another, wounding both of them. Those 6.5×52mm Cartuccia Modello 1895 rimless cartridges that Oswald used were certainly powerful enough to do this easily at a range of 70-85 metres (230 - 280 feet)
 
MY theory: 1 Shooter - Oswald. Only one bullet struck Kennedy, in the back and did its thing. Any other/shots bullets are inconsequential. In the immediate aftermath, JFK's mind briefly considered the loonacy and CTs that would follow the event. The result was Zapruder film frame 313.

Now, I must apologize to JFK and his family for this silly black humor concept, but I do believe it is not as silly as any of the cockamamy conspiracies that continue to be promoted.

The most unconvincing CT arguments are how they keep expanding the conspiracy when problems are pointed out with the original theory.

Film and Photos show a Carcano recovered from the Depository, not the Mauser as mistakenly reported by some?
That was a dog-and-pony show, set up to deceive!

Arguing for a non-transit of the bullet through JFK implies two magic bullets that vanished into thin air?
The body was altered and the bullets removed!

Some people falsely remember a car stop, or a different Zapruder film?
The Zapruder film was altered to remove the stop, and other edits done to make it look like shots from behind!

Over the past 59 years, some witnesses and a lot of people with a tenuous relationship to the assassination (George DeMohrenschildt's alleged physician, Dr. Charles Mendoza, is now deceased - somehow Micah Java thought that was worthy of mention) have died?
There must be a death squad killing witnesses so they don't talk and another death squad killing the death squad so they don't talk!​

The conspiracy withstands all assaults because one can always expand the conspiracy as necessary to explain away any problems.
 
It's fairly well understood now (well at least, to anyone who has a functioning brain) that there is nothing magic about a bullet that travels in what is effectively a straight line though one person, and into another, wounding both of them. Those 6.5×52mm Cartuccia Modello 1895 rimless cartridges that Oswald used were certainly powerful enough to do this easily at a range of 70-85 metres (230 - 280 feet)


Yeah, there's a lot of problems with Mike Griffith's JFK assassination theory, and the weapon (and the bullet) isn't the least of them. The bullet is designed to penetrate without deformation by the Hague Convention of 1899.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/appl...t&documentId=F5FF4D9CA7E41925C12563CD0051616B

The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions.


By going fully through JFK, it did exactly what it was designed to do. Griffith is arguing for the bullet striking no bone, suffering no deformation, yet stopping within JFK after traveling only a few inches. He claims we're rejecting "basic physics" but his arguments for the non-transit of the bullet that struck JFK in the back is what rejects basic physics. Apparently neither he nor his supposed expert radiologist Mantik understand basic physics.
 
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Yeah, there's a lot of problems with Mike Griffith's JFK assassination theory, and the weapon (and the bullet) isn't the least of them. The bullet is designed to penetrate without deformation by the Hague Convention of 1899.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/appl...t&documentId=F5FF4D9CA7E41925C12563CD0051616B




By going fully through JFK, it did exactly what it was designed to do. Griffith is arguing for the bullet striking no bone, suffering no deformation, yet stopping within JFK after traveling only a few inches. He claims we're rejecting "basic physics" but his arguments for the non-transit of the bullet that struck JFK in the back is what rejects basic physics. Apparently neither he nor his supposed expert radiologist Mantik understand basic physics.

You've been missing in action for some time, glad to see your return.
 
You've been missing in action for some time, glad to see your return.

Reports of my death were premature and grossly exaggerated.

My wife reported the death of her father in June of this year and my health insurance was cancelled, not his, because somebody at the insurance company screwed up and thought she was reporting the death of her husband, not her father.

It's all straightened out now, thankfully.
 
Nice to see you back.

Luckily it's just been low-hanging fruit around here.

Question, are you familiar with JFK collector, Robert L. White?

A pair of videos popped up on my radar this week featuring off-the-wall but serious JFK and Oswald assassination artifacts, and enlightened me to what appears to be a large market of JFK assassination relics in private hands.

Both videos are from the Gettysburg Museum of History. The first features a blood-stained square of leather upholstery cut from the Presidential limo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fogf2g1jb4Y

This information in the video is solid, including a history of the limo, and how the US Government never owned the limo prior to the assassination, and instead leased it from Ford Motor Co.

The second video features artifacts from Jack Ruby, including the spent shell casing from his .38 that killed Oswald:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwVzd3CjWRY

In this video, they cover the background of how the shell casing (and his revolver) ended up in the public domain. Turns out that back then, after a criminal case was closed those items of evidence were returned to the families, if they wanted them. Jack Ruby's brother saw dollar signs, and sold everything of Jack's that he could.

I find it fascinating because it makes me wonder what else is out there, sitting in some rich person's glass case.
 
Carrying CT arguments to their logical conclusion is why reasonable people don't find CT arguments believable.


So true. And the highlighted portion is a failure in their methodology that I routinely mention to them. I often refer to it in a manner akin to, "their logic train stops at the first comfortable location".
 
So true. And the highlighted portion is a failure in their methodology that I routinely mention to them. I often refer to it in a manner akin to, "their logic train stops at the first comfortable location".

I've used a different train analogy -- that their locomotive has jumped the tracks and is careening downhill through a forest -- crashing through trees with all that momentum but not going anywhere in particular.
 
Nice to see you back.

Luckily it's just been low-hanging fruit around here.

Question, are you familiar with JFK collector, Robert L. White?

I am not, but the below was an interesting read.


A pair of videos popped up on my radar this week featuring off-the-wall but serious JFK and Oswald assassination artifacts, and enlightened me to what appears to be a large market of JFK assassination relics in private hands.

Both videos are from the Gettysburg Museum of History. The first features a blood-stained square of leather upholstery cut from the Presidential limo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fogf2g1jb4Y

This information in the video is solid, including a history of the limo, and how the US Government never owned the limo prior to the assassination, and instead leased it from Ford Motor Co.

The second video features artifacts from Jack Ruby, including the spent shell casing from his .38 that killed Oswald:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwVzd3CjWRY

In this video, they cover the background of how the shell casing (and his revolver) ended up in the public domain. Turns out that back then, after a criminal case was closed those items of evidence were returned to the families, if they wanted them. Jack Ruby's brother saw dollar signs, and sold everything of Jack's that he could.

That I knew. His brother had to sue the government to get it back. Marina tried to get the Carcano back, as I recall, but failed to do so. Someone wanted to buy Oswald's original coffin after he was exhumed for study, but lost that as well. Oswald's brother Robert had paid for the original coffin, and he was able to take possession of it and had it dumped at sea, I believe.


I find it fascinating because it makes me wonder what else is out there, sitting in some rich person's glass case.

JFK's brain, anyone?

Although the ultimate fate of his brain is most likely re-interred with the body or disposed of by RFK at sea, it's not definitely known what happened, so of course CTs like to mention it's still missing (without of course mentioning the last person known to have possession is Angie Novello, RFK's secretary).

More than likely, RFK himself took it from Novello and disposed of it or had it reinterred with the body, but CTs don't like to mention that as it destroys the conspiracy angle they like to allude to or hint at.
 
I've used a different train analogy -- that their locomotive has jumped the tracks and is careening downhill through a forest -- crashing through trees with all that momentum but not going anywhere in particular.


I like it, and it is probably applicable to most cases. I like to think mine helps explain how intellectual laziness can sometimes result in an otherwise logical person ending up in the wrong neighborhood.
 
JFK's brain, anyone?

Although the ultimate fate of his brain is most likely re-interred with the body or disposed of by RFK at sea, it's not definitely known what happened, so of course CTs like to mention it's still missing (without of course mentioning the last person known to have possession is Angie Novello, RFK's secretary).

More than likely, RFK himself took it from Novello and disposed of it or had it reinterred with the body, but CTs don't like to mention that as it destroys the conspiracy angle they like to allude to or hint at.

The safe money is on RFK reinterring it with the body when they moved it to its current location under the eternal flame. When one considers how the autopsy went down, the rush to get JFK out of Dallas, and so on it seems that whatever Jackie wanted - Jackie got.
 
Anything interesting or unexpected in the latest release of declassified materials?
 
Anything interesting or unexpected in the latest release of declassified materials?

The conspiracy has finally been revealed! - or something similar will be claimed by a random conspiracy theorist. They will support that conclusion one of two ways:
1. Such-and-such a memo says this-and-that, which *must* mean a conspiracy (in their opinion).
2. There is no evidence of conspiracy in the latest batch of declassified materials, which must mean they've been sanitized to hide evidence of conspiracy.

Perfectly logical. Perfectly circular.
 
It will take a while to read through them all, but there is serious gold to be found here.

Link to National Archives 2022 JFK Record dump:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release2022

The first pages are from 1963-1964, in the heat of the investigation, full of FBI and CIA memos.

Right on Page one is this baby:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10004-10199.pdf

This is the first CIA Mexico City write-up of their account of Oswald in Mexico City. Unlike the other, real-time Oswald/MexCity Station memo, this one reveals that they not only notified the FBI about Oswald visiting the Soviet Embassy, but they also notified the State Department, and Department of Naval Intelligence. In this memo, the CIA grouses about how the FBI did nothing with the information.

The memo details their phone-tapping operation of the Soviet Embassy, which was run without the knowledge of the Mexican Government, who had their own tapping system of the embassy in place. The CIA notes that the Mexicans sat on their recording of Oswald until after the assassination. The CIA admits they somehow missed photographing Oswald's visit to the embassy, as they state they photograph everyone coming and going.

Interesting snapshot of a CIA field station's day-to-day activities.

I'll post more as they come along.
 
It will take a while to read through them all, but there is serious gold to be found here.

Link to National Archives 2022 JFK Record dump:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release2022

The first pages are from 1963-1964, in the heat of the investigation, full of FBI and CIA memos.

Right on Page one is this baby:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10004-10199.pdf

This is the first CIA Mexico City write-up of their account of Oswald in Mexico City. Unlike the other, real-time Oswald/MexCity Station memo, this one reveals that they not only notified the FBI about Oswald visiting the Soviet Embassy, but they also notified the State Department, and Department of Naval Intelligence. In this memo, the CIA grouses about how the FBI did nothing with the information.

The memo details their phone-tapping operation of the Soviet Embassy, which was run without the knowledge of the Mexican Government, who had their own tapping system of the embassy in place. The CIA notes that the Mexicans sat on their recording of Oswald until after the assassination. The CIA admits they somehow missed photographing Oswald's visit to the embassy, as they state they photograph everyone coming and going.

Interesting snapshot of a CIA field station's day-to-day activities.

I'll post more as they come along.

I'm tempted to say its deva view all over, again.
 
The conspiracy has finally been revealed! - or something similar will be claimed by a random conspiracy theorist. They will support that conclusion one of two ways:
1. Such-and-such a memo says this-and-that, which *must* mean a conspiracy (in their opinion).
2. There is no evidence of conspiracy in the latest batch of declassified materials, which must mean they've been sanitized to hide evidence of conspiracy.

Perfectly logical. Perfectly circular.

Door #3: What'd you expect? They are still hiding all the good stuff:
https://twitter.com/jeffersonmorley/status/1603557856745250819
 
I'm tempted to say its deva view all over, again.

All this does is fill in the many blanks regarding the Warren Commission investigation, and subsequent investigations. The Mexico City CIA Station material has been off-limits for fifty years. Now we get access to everything. Historians and History-Buffs now have a worm's-eye view of the CIA and FBI at the height of the Cold War, post Cuban Missile Crisis. We now have full context behind the CIA's stonewalling of the Warren Commission, and the HSCA.

In the CIA memo I linked to, the station actually investigated the Oswald-Kostikov connection, and determined he was not a KGB asset based on the reasons they list in their report. The CIA reported that in those Soviet phone calls they monitored, the Russians are quoted as saying, "Oswald has no friends in Cuba". So in this one memo we learn the Mexico City Station (at least) did their due diligence on Lee Oswald, and established he had no Soviet or Cuban connections. The other documents we've seen show that the CIA desperately wanted to link him to Castro, and in 1963/64 they certainly could have manufactured evidence to this end, and invaded Cuba by 1965. But they didn't. The CIA played it straight, and worked the evidence.
 
All this does is fill in the many blanks regarding the Warren Commission investigation, and subsequent investigations. The Mexico City CIA Station material has been off-limits for fifty years. Now we get access to everything. Historians and History-Buffs now have a worm's-eye view of the CIA and FBI at the height of the Cold War, post Cuban Missile Crisis. We now have full context behind the CIA's stonewalling of the Warren Commission, and the HSCA.

In the CIA memo I linked to, the station actually investigated the Oswald-Kostikov connection, and determined he was not a KGB asset based on the reasons they list in their report. The CIA reported that in those Soviet phone calls they monitored, the Russians are quoted as saying, "Oswald has no friends in Cuba". So in this one memo we learn the Mexico City Station (at least) did their due diligence on Lee Oswald, and established he had no Soviet or Cuban connections. The other documents we've seen show that the CIA desperately wanted to link him to Castro, and in 1963/64 they certainly could have manufactured evidence to this end, and invaded Cuba by 1965. But they didn't. The CIA played it straight, and worked the evidence.

Michael Shermer's take on the latest release:
https://michaelshermer.substack.com..._id=91244614&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
 
Thank you gentlemen for all the info on that new release. 30 years ago I'd be reading it but now - meh!
 
All this does is fill in the many blanks regarding the Warren Commission investigation, and subsequent investigations. The Mexico City CIA Station material has been off-limits for fifty years. Now we get access to everything. Historians and History-Buffs now have a worm's-eye view of the CIA and FBI at the height of the Cold War, post Cuban Missile Crisis. We now have full context behind the CIA's stonewalling of the Warren Commission, and the HSCA.

In the CIA memo I linked to, the station actually investigated the Oswald-Kostikov connection, and determined he was not a KGB asset based on the reasons they list in their report. The CIA reported that in those Soviet phone calls they monitored, the Russians are quoted as saying, "Oswald has no friends in Cuba". So in this one memo we learn the Mexico City Station (at least) did their due diligence on Lee Oswald, and established he had no Soviet or Cuban connections. The other documents we've seen show that the CIA desperately wanted to link him to Castro, and in 1963/64 they certainly could have manufactured evidence to this end, and invaded Cuba by 1965. But they didn't. The CIA played it straight, and worked the evidence.

What i meant was one arm of the feds sleeping at the wheel.
 

What I'm getting out of this latest info-dump is just how good some investigative journalists have been in uncovering the CIA's activities in Central and South America during this time frame. There are a couple of Operation Mongoose files which reveal more depth to the project, but have long been alleged by good investigative historians. However, as of now, other than JFK getting shot, none of the allegations of the CTists have ever been proven to be true as they state them.

Just to recap the document release in full, here's what they reveal:

1. The FBI and CIA wanted to link Oswald to a conspiracy, and worked overtime searching for evidence to do this. They came up empty.

2. The CIA's Mexico City Station recorded Oswald, knew who he was, and reported his visit to the Soviet and Cuban embassies with his intention to defect (again) to the FBI, State Department, and Naval Intelligence.[None of whom alerted the Secret Service to Oswald's presence in Dallas ahead of JFK's Texas visit]

3. The FBI continued to investigate tips received about the assassination well into the 1970s.

4. Many JFK Assassination CTs originated at Langley, based on a Mexico City memo listing dozens of rumors collected from foreign dignitaries, and military officers - not one of which was true (and the CIA did investigate). The rumors from this memo would become hushed cocktail-hour conversations between CIA employees and journalist friends. From there these rumors would fuel a CT industry still alive today.

The files undermine the main CT claim of a government cover-up of a conspiracy to kill JFK, as the government wanted the assassination to be the result of a conspiracy.
 
Okay, this memo from DCIA, Richard Helms is a prime example of the CIA declining to declassify a piece of information for the Warren Commission:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10009-10224.pdf

It discusses the subject of the CIA's presence in Australia, and how declassifying a piece of information would reveal the CIA Canberra Station in Melbourne, and goes on to list a number of prickly questions which would inevitably follow.

Did Australia know the CIA had a station? Sure. But there would be complications for both governments if made "official".

This is a great example of the "why" and "how" behind the veil being wrapped so tight on key points of seemingly worthless information.
 
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This one is a CIA audit done for their New Orleans operation as a result of Jim Garrison's "investigation" into the assassination:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10012-10018.pdf

Dated April, 1967, it provides background, and their wariness about Garrison. And it lists names of CIA employees in the New Orlean's area, and what they did. Again, this is Cold War history gold.:thumbsup:
 
These are a pair of CIA reports on potential suspects in the assassination other than Oswald:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10021-10019.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10021-10004.pdf

What they show is that the CIA was not interested in framing Lee Oswald, but hoping to link Castro to the assassination. This undermines all of the JFK-CTs.


Undermines them? No, it rips the carpet, the underlay the floor and the foundations out from under them.
 
Oh man, this one's epic:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10057-10270.pdf

This is the CIA Inspector General's full report on the Agency's mission to kill Fidel Castro. It's all here. OMG.

Real history is so much more exiting than BS CTs.

Well this is the first IA document I've read and it is filled with "does (not)remember" etc.. I'm guessing this because very little was written. One comment was "he doesn't remember how he got the box of cigars".

Deny, deny, or don't remember.
 
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Well this is the first IA document I've read and it is filled with "does (not)remember" etc.. I'm guessing this because very little was written. One comment was "he doesn't remember how he got the box of cigars".

Deny, deny, or don't remember.

If you don't write it down, they can't prosecute you later. :D
 
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