Jeremy Bamber

Seems to me the 50% detection figure on "people known to have fired a gun" is not a useful statistic for a person proposed to have fired tens of rounds from a blowback operated rifle.
Sheila shot her parents at about 3 am.
It is probably not known when she killed the twins.
She had time to consider a range of mortal questions until she was seen by the police moving in the windows some time later.
Maybe she washed her hands like Lady MacBeth.
 
Sheila shot her parents at about 3 am.
It is probably not known when she killed the twins.
She had time to consider a range of mortal questions until she was seen by the police moving in the windows some time later.
Maybe she washed her hands like Lady MacBeth.

And maybe this is unsupported wild speculation.

Hang on, drop the maybe.
 
And maybe this is unsupported wild speculation.

Hang on, drop the maybe.
This is exactly not wild unsupported speculation.
It is precisely what happened.
There are 11,000 posts on Injustice Anywhere forum owned by Bruce Fischer that show this.
Holly Goodhead is an admin on the Bamber red forum and did heavy lifting to prove with bullet casings , trajectories precisely how Sheila Caffel killed her family.
She cannot be blamed for the evil acts of the police, prosecutors, judges, relatives and the negligence of the British people after her act of extreme mental derangement.
 
Sheila shot her parents at about 3 am.
It is probably not known when she killed the twins.
She had time to consider a range of mortal questions until she was seen by the police moving in the windows some time later.
Maybe she washed her hands like Lady MacBeth.

Sheila pumped bullets into the skulls of her two twin boys? Really? Why would she have if she could have just as easily blamed the mysterious stranger in dark clothing as usually happens in such cases (cf Anneli Auer).
 
Colin Stagg got off his murder charge in the Jill Dando case on the grounds the gunpowder traces on his clothes "could have got there by chance".
Not exactly, the case was ended by acquittal by the trial judge on the grounds that the confession was valueless and there was no other evidence.
The murder was committed by Robert Napper.
 
Sheila shot her parents at about 3 am.
It is probably not known when she killed the twins.
She had time to consider a range of mortal questions until she was seen by the police moving in the windows some time later.
Maybe she washed her hands like Lady MacBeth.
And "maybe" the murders were committed by time-travelling aliens....
:rolleyes:
 
Not exactly, the case was ended by acquittal by the trial judge on the grounds that the confession was valueless and there was no other evidence.
The murder was committed by Robert Napper.

Erratum: I meant Barry George. Stagg, of course, had been investigated over Rachel Nickel killed on Wimbledon Common. George was acquitted of Jill Dando's murder.
 
This is exactly not wild unsupported speculation.
It is precisely what happened.
There are 11,000 posts on Injustice Anywhere forum owned by Bruce Fischer that show this.
Holly Goodhead is an admin on the Bamber red forum and did heavy lifting to prove with bullet casings , trajectories precisely how Sheila Caffel killed her family.
She cannot be blamed for the evil acts of the police, prosecutors, judges, relatives and the negligence of the British people after her act of extreme mental derangement.

Bruce Fischer is no recommendation. However, if Sheila did kill her entire family, I must say, how jolly altruistic of her, to ensure her dear brother, Jeremy, alone would inherit the parents' wealth. To answer the question cui bono, why, the answer always comes back to Jeremy. After all, had Sheila wanted to top her entire family, you'd think she'd wait for Jeremy to turn up - perhaps give him a bell - and then let him have it. Jeremy might be in prison but he must consider himself a very lucky fellow to have narrowly escaped his sister's insane massacre of her own family.
 
Bruce Fischer is no recommendation. However, if Sheila did kill her entire family, I must say, how jolly altruistic of her, to ensure her dear brother, Jeremy, alone would inherit the parents' wealth. To answer the question cui bono, why, the answer always comes back to Jeremy. After all, had Sheila wanted to top her entire family, you'd think she'd wait for Jeremy to turn up - perhaps give him a bell - and then let him have it. Jeremy might be in prison but he must consider himself a very lucky fellow to have narrowly escaped his sister's insane massacre of her own family.
You are making the simple mistake of ignoring the bullet trajectories. These preclude Bamber from shooting anyone. The inheritance was of no concern to Sheila, cultural dynamics mean she assumes she will always be cared for one way or another.
 
Bollocks.
Carol Ann Lee uses the police reconstruction in her book.
This was the best attempt and it was ridiculous at every detail.
I know you have never analysed the police reconstruction because if you had you could never say "bollocks" to my post.
If anyone reads this thread please refer to the police reconstruction to check whether it could have happened.
I will post it presently.
 
In fact John, owner of the red Bamber forum, on which activist Holly Goodhead for Bamber and his CCRC campaign is an administrator, says that Bamber must have used chloroform from the farm stores to deactivate Sheila before he shot her.
I make nothing up here
 
Carol Ann Lee uses the police reconstruction in her book.
This was the best attempt and it was ridiculous at every detail.
I know you have never analysed the police reconstruction because if you had you could never say "bollocks" to my post.
If anyone reads this thread please refer to the police reconstruction to check whether it could have happened.
I will post it presently.

Bollocks
 

Jeremy Bamber is everyman in the context of those randomly selected by fate to be a nearby person.
Many examples on this subforum, including Luke Mitchell, Mark Lundy, Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito, David Tamihere, Brendan Dassey, and so on.
You may laugh at these people, but be sure you are correct before laughing.
Jeremy Bamber is innocent.
 
Jeremy Bamber is everyman in the context of those randomly selected by fate to be a nearby person.
Many examples on this subforum, including Luke Mitchell, Mark Lundy, Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito, David Tamihere, Brendan Dassey, and so on.
You may laugh at these people, but be sure you are correct before laughing.
Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I was just laughing at the idea of Bamber being my son. He will surely have shot me to get his inheritance early.

You seem to have this weird idea that if a killer has youthful good looks they must be innocent. However, truth is, callow youth murders seem to be especially cold-blooded (see thread 'Teenage Killers in Finland') yet people seem to romanticise them based on carefully touched up images designed to idealise them. Johnny Depp's idealisation of the West Memphis Three just because he shared the same love of dark metal is a case in point.

Yet if these same people looked like ugly gnarled up quasimodos you wouldn't be championing their 'innocence', especially when given in a criminal court of aw the evidence is stacked up against them, turning a blind eye to the very obvious.
 
I was just laughing at the idea of Bamber being my son. He will surely have shot me to get his inheritance early.

You seem to have this weird idea that if a killer has youthful good looks they must be innocent. However, truth is, callow youth murders seem to be especially cold-blooded (see thread 'Teenage Killers in Finland') yet people seem to romanticise them based on carefully touched up images designed to idealise them. Johnny Depp's idealisation of the West Memphis Three just because he shared the same love of dark metal is a case in point.

Yet if these same people looked like ugly gnarled up quasimodos you wouldn't be championing their 'innocence', especially when given in a criminal court of aw the evidence is stacked up against them, turning a blind eye to the very obvious.
The examples I cite are innocent. I have no need to comment on their worth, but Tamihere aside they seem ordinary and functional. Damien Echols was less advantaged but still innocent.
 
Carol Ann Lee uses the police reconstruction in her book.
This was the best attempt and it was ridiculous at every detail.
I know you have never analysed the police reconstruction because if you had you could never say "bollocks" to my post.
If anyone reads this thread please refer to the police reconstruction to check whether it could have happened.
I will post it presently.

The police never made a reconstruction.

The "reconstruction" in CALs book is a fiction of her own making.
 
The police never made a reconstruction.

The "reconstruction" in CALs book is a fiction of her own making.
She draws together the disjointed nonsense the police contrived, then.
But I recall her dissociating herself from this narrative
I will have another look.
 
And for the indolent Britons who could not care less about a simple matter of barbaric treatment that cages till death an industrious farmer, the Carol Ann Lee book is compelling reading.
 
The reason it is compelling is that she had complete access to interviewing Jeremy Bamber. This can never happen for example in New Zealand. Jeremy Bamber of course was lamb to slaughter for this diabollical unit.
She did a fair job on "fine day for a hanging" down to good detail on Pierrepont and his perfect and rapid technique.
She was treasonous with Bamber and his confidence.
Frying in hell might be ok for this very wicked woman.
 
Bruce Fischer is no recommendation. However, if Sheila did kill her entire family, I must say, how jolly altruistic of her, to ensure her dear brother, Jeremy, alone would inherit the parents' wealth. To answer the question cui bono, why, the answer always comes back to Jeremy. After all, had Sheila wanted to top her entire family, you'd think she'd wait for Jeremy to turn up - perhaps give him a bell - and then let him have it. Jeremy might be in prison but he must consider himself a very lucky fellow to have narrowly escaped his sister's insane massacre of her own family.

How do you connect an inheritance going to Jeremy as important to Sheila, but not challenge the evidence of suicide? I see you fix on situational things and give them weight rather than dealing with the evidence. that's a very odd approach. You would be a dangerous person to have on a jury.
 
You are making the simple mistake of ignoring the bullet trajectories. These preclude Bamber from shooting anyone. The inheritance was of no concern to Sheila, cultural dynamics mean she assumes she will always be cared for one way or another.

Another mind reader.
 
Sheila pumped bullets into the skulls of her two twin boys? Really? Why would she have if she could have just as easily blamed the mysterious stranger in dark clothing as usually happens in such cases (cf Anneli Auer).

In the Auer 2 Judges accept from evidence that the phone call wasn't doctored and vote for acquittal on actual evidence. The Bain crime scene was said to set up, now there is the Lundy crime scene said by police to have been set up, but looking at your Auer case (a thought provoking example), we see what police can't explain sometimes becomes blamed on a defendant. We had an example here where a man suicided after being accused by a long term criminal associate of confessing to the murder of a young woman in her home, the accuser explained his shoeprints being in the scene as result of the defendant having borrowed them, the accused man killed himself on remand leaving a note to say he'd been set up. Later in a similar crime, another young mother found dead in the bath with a toddler in the house was found to have her killer's DNA under her nails remaining intact despite that her hands were underwater when the body was discovered. The fingernail DNA belonged to the prime witness in the earlier case, but police never charged him for that apparently still believing the story about the borrowed shoes.
The Auer case reveals good reasoning by the Court who could not rule out that there had been an unknown person in the house - in Lundy the probability was there were 2 both somehow leaving their fingernail DNA under the victims nails from "shaking hands according to our Supreme Court," yet nails do not contact the skin when shaking another person's hands, and also do not scrap over them to gather DNA. There were unknown fingerprints and footprints in the crime seen that were never excluded, despite police taking the fingerprints of over 40 people known to have been in the house in the previous 3 months. Auer shows how discounted claims arising from false evidence should/can reject the whole prosecution.
In the present case you could try banging a nail in a stick as I suggested to check out the suicide possibility of Sheila. Then swing the stick in an overhead arc and see if it is possible to leave a scratch from the edge of recess (even try a door), or do a diagram of a recess and use a protractor arc to discover that a scratch can never start from the edge. If the scratch doesn't work, and you reach the nail in the probable suicide position which has been described for Sheila, "strangers in dark clothing," will also make sense as it did for those 2 Judges when the call tape showed no signs of being doctored.
For a highly disciplined Court proof of any malfeasance or flawed evidence should result in the same rejection as in the Auer case. BTW even try just one of those 2 tests if you like, just using a protractor will show the fake evidence but both tests would be recommended for certainty - along with considering the lack of stippling.
Early morning so please excuse grammar errors.
 
How do you connect an inheritance going to Jeremy as important to Sheila, but not challenge the evidence of suicide? I see you fix on situational things and give them weight rather than dealing with the evidence. that's a very odd approach. You would be a dangerous person to have on a jury.

It is called sarcasm, but never mind.
 
Jeremy Bamber is everyman in the context of those randomly selected by fate to be a nearby person.
Many examples on this subforum, including Luke Mitchell, Mark Lundy, Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito, David Tamihere, Brendan Dassey, and so on.
You may laugh at these people, but be sure you are correct before laughing.
Jeremy Bamber is innocent.
Nope. Bamber is a greedy, narcissistic, murderous psychopath with the superficial charm of such, and an ability to manipulate people.
 
In the Auer 2 Judges accept from evidence that the phone call wasn't doctored and vote for acquittal on actual evidence. The Bain crime scene was said to set up, now there is the Lundy crime scene said by police to have been set up, but looking at your Auer case (a thought provoking example), we see what police can't explain sometimes becomes blamed on a defendant. We had an example here where a man suicided after being accused by a long term criminal associate of confessing to the murder of a young woman in her home, the accuser explained his shoeprints being in the scene as result of the defendant having borrowed them, the accused man killed himself on remand leaving a note to say he'd been set up. Later in a similar crime, another young mother found dead in the bath with a toddler in the house was found to have her killer's DNA under her nails remaining intact despite that her hands were underwater when the body was discovered. The fingernail DNA belonged to the prime witness in the earlier case, but police never charged him for that apparently still believing the story about the borrowed shoes.
The Auer case reveals good reasoning by the Court who could not rule out that there had been an unknown person in the house - in Lundy the probability was there were 2 both somehow leaving their fingernail DNA under the victims nails from "shaking hands according to our Supreme Court," yet nails do not contact the skin when shaking another person's hands, and also do not scrap over them to gather DNA. There were unknown fingerprints and footprints in the crime seen that were never excluded, despite police taking the fingerprints of over 40 people known to have been in the house in the previous 3 months. Auer shows how discounted claims arising from false evidence should/can reject the whole prosecution.
In the present case you could try banging a nail in a stick as I suggested to check out the suicide possibility of Sheila. Then swing the stick in an overhead arc and see if it is possible to leave a scratch from the edge of recess (even try a door), or do a diagram of a recess and use a protractor arc to discover that a scratch can never start from the edge. If the scratch doesn't work, and you reach the nail in the probable suicide position which has been described for Sheila, "strangers in dark clothing," will also make sense as it did for those 2 Judges when the call tape showed no signs of being doctored.
For a highly disciplined Court proof of any malfeasance or flawed evidence should result in the same rejection as in the Auer case. BTW even try just one of those 2 tests if you like, just using a protractor will show the fake evidence but both tests would be recommended for certainty - along with considering the lack of stippling.
Early morning so please excuse grammar errors.

Each case, of course, has to be judged on its merits. OK so forensics have come a long way since the 80's and 90's but I am still not seeing any new evidence that was not available as of the time of the trial. As for Auer...
 
I was just laughing at the idea of Bamber being my son. He will surely have shot me to get his inheritance early.

You seem to have this weird idea that if a killer has youthful good looks they must be innocent. However, truth is, callow youth murders seem to be especially cold-blooded (see thread 'Teenage Killers in Finland') yet people seem to romanticise them based on carefully touched up images designed to idealise them. Johnny Depp's idealisation of the West Memphis Three just because he shared the same love of dark metal is a case in point.

Yet if these same people looked like ugly gnarled up quasimodos you wouldn't be championing their 'innocence', especially when given in a criminal court of aw the evidence is stacked up against them, turning a blind eye to the very obvious.
Henry "Billy the Kid" Henry McCarty is another example of the romanticised murderer.
 
Henry "Billy the Kid" Henry McCarty is another example of the romanticised murderer.

Check out Bobby Beausoleil in his youth - he has the classic seductive droopy eyes of a sleazy sociopath that some criminology psychologists have noticed in this type of killer. Probably better looking than Bamber in his youth, who looked a lot like Mick Jagger, then. IMV baby-faced killers make their crimes all the more chilling.
 
Each case, of course, has to be judged on its merits. OK so forensics have come a long way since the 80's and 90's but I am still not seeing any new evidence that was not available as of the time of the trial. As for Auer...

Most of the forensic papers I've quoted from are from the 2000s including both co-authored by Vincent D. The following link shows all the quoted references on barrel induction as being in the 2000s. So that is all new. I think you are in for big surprises and it will be silly to prejudge new evidence that we don't know about.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22683116/
 
Check out Bobby Beausoleil in his youth - he has the classic seductive droopy eyes of a sleazy sociopath that some criminology psychologists have noticed in this type of killer. Probably better looking than Bamber in his youth, who looked a lot like Mick Jagger, then. IMV baby-faced killers make their crimes all the more chilling.

I'm not concerned about what people look like, it's the evidence that interests me. Going on looks David Bain was unlikely to have any supporters, but from evidence presented by the Crown polling always showed the majority considered him not guilty. There was however a group set up claiming Justice for Robin Bain (David's father) that consistently mocked David for his looks, produced cartoons etc, lied about evidence and repeated rumours.

I think the case against Bamber will likely implode on misunderstood and false evidence, some planted.
 
Another mind reader.
I dont think so.
She is married and has well to do parents.
She has dependents, and cultural mores send no signal that she is the last resort for sufficiency in tending care to her twins.
 
Nope. Bamber is a greedy, narcissistic, murderous psychopath with the superficial charm of such, and an ability to manipulate people.
Noppe
Bamber is an ordinary young man.
There is some knowledge of his New Zealand activities and evidence a scoundrel of sorts has done him no reputational favours
 
Last edited:
There is some inquiry from Britain about this individual.
He could only contribute go the artifice and banal nonsense in the case.
 

Back
Top Bottom