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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

Babbylonian said:
Better lawyers can afford to be a bit choosier about who they represent. Representing a child molester is one thing, but Donald Trump?
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Maybe that Trump has a reputation for trying to get out of paying his lawyers has something to do with that....
 
kookbreaker said:
I did genuinely mean salt. I mean, read the thing. It is the most bitter excuse-making for incompetence and rationalizing of a pathetic performance I have seen in some time.

Its like those sheriffs who say the crime rate went down in their town 'cause they stopped arresting people.



Its pretty sad. Isn't he another one who said he was leaving?
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Yeah, BB does seem to get upset at the mere fact that some of us dare to question the will of Dear Leader.
This is what is scary. I have never seen a Persnolity Cult as big as this in the US. They have always been small scale before.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Another big win for the leftists. The only guy to put Epstein in jail and force him to register as a sex offender has resigned, and all of the people who did nothing in every applicable jurisdiction around the world are still employed. Huge victory. Savor it.
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It's not the least bit surprising how the Orange-Man-Bad Brigade are fapping all over themselves because another scalp of someone in Trump's orbit was taken. Nor is it surprising most of the people who are trying to link this to Trump are ignoring Krischer's political affiliation.

A Democrat prosecutor allowing a scumbag child rapist to walk away with a misdemeanor conviction after police bring him credible evidence of at least 35 victims is no big deal when there's a Republican to lynch.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Another big win for the leftists. The only guy to put Epstein in jail and force him to register as a sex offender has resigned, and all of the people who did nothing in every applicable jurisdiction around the world are still employed. Huge victory. Savor it.
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That is an overblown exaggeration of what really happened

First, getting someone the Sex Offenders Register is no big deal when that person is a billionaire and will never have to find work. And actually getting someone on the Register is something any prosecutor can do in their sleep. You can get a drunk who pees in a bush next to a school put on the register.

Second, the term "Epstein in jail" is misleading. He was in jail at night, and let out six days a week from 7am to 5pm to "work" in his office. That's not a jail sentence, its a curfew - something you punish naughty schoolboys with when they misbehave.

Epstein should have got LIFE behind bars for what he did, not the 13 months of curfew that is no more than a slap on the wrist with a wet train ticket.
 
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smartcooky said:
That is an overblown exaggeration of what really happened
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No, that is exactly what happened.


First, getting someone the Sex Offenders Register is no big deal when that person is a billionaire and will never have to find work.
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Krischer couldn't get it done.


And actually getting someone on the Register is something any prosecutor can do in their sleep.
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Krischer couldn't manage that, either.


You can get a drunk who pees in a bush next to a school put on the register.
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I highly doubt Krischer could be bothered, given his track record.


Second, the term "Epstein in jail" is misleading. He was in jail at night, and let out six days a week from 7am to 5pm to "work" in his office. That's not a jail sentence, its a curfew - something you punish naughty schoolboys with when they misbehave.
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Yet, Krischer could not seal the deal when it came to a child sex predator.


Epstein should have got LIFE behind bars for what he did, not the 13 months of curfew that is no more than a slap on the wrist with a wet train ticket.
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How would you describe Krischer's deal that allowed Epstein to walk away with much less?
 
Bogative said:
No, that is exactly what happened.

Krischer couldn't get it done.

Krischer couldn't manage that, either.

I highly doubt Krischer could be bothered, given his track record.

Yet, Krischer could not seal the deal when it came to a child sex predator.

How would you describe Krischer's deal that allowed Epstein to walk away with much less?
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The issue is not what Krisher did or didn't do. Once the Feds took over, the issue is what Acosta failed to do. IMO, they are both culpable for this and should both be held responsible.

There are several very suspicious things about this case

1. SDFL prosecutors drafted a 53-page indictment. The assessment as to whether or not a conviction might be difficult to get due a lack of evidence or lack of witness testimony takes place BEFORE any indictment is drafted. It is very, very unusual to get as far as drafting an indictment, and then walking it back. It only happens when new, possibly exculpatory evidence is found, or a witness retracts their statement. Why did Acosta do this? Was it his own decision or did it come from higher up in his CoC?

2. Why is Acosta using the excuse that they could not get witnesses to testify when many of the witnesses themselves are calling BS on this, and say they were willing to testify but were not even asked?

3. Acosta met in secret with Epstein's lawyers, in a hotel at 7am with no other members of the SDFL team. This is unheard of, and very suspicious. I can't believe he could not have had such a meeting out of hours in the Federal Building. What did he have to discuss with Epstein's lawyers that he didn't want the other SDFL prosecutors to overhear?

4. Why did Acosta deliberately break the law by keeping the details of his sweetheart deal with Epstein a secret from the victims. (I can probably answer that - see #2 above)

5. Why is Acosta using the excuse of not wanting to shame the victims? Has he ever heard of Rule 412 of the Federal Rules of Evidence (a.k.a. the "rape shield" law that limits evidence of other sexual conduct by a sex assault victim)?

This whole thing smells like a cover up? This information was extremely well detailed by Julie Brown of the Miami Herald who did excellent and extensive investigative work on this. The case Acosta and his colleagues they had against Epstein for multiple instances of child sex was rock solid... why did they back away from it?

I'm betting that when the 53 page draft indictment and other case details are unsealed, we are going to find out just how solid that case was, and who else was named in the indictment that Acosta didn't want anyone to know about.
 
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2. Why is Acosta using the excuse that they could not get witnesses to testify when many of the witnesses themselves are calling BS on this, and say they were willing to testify but were not even asked?
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To add to this, the co-conspirators were granted immunity. That's multiple unimpeachable testimonies ready to go. And if they still weren't willing to talk, then why were they granted immunity?
 
smartcooky said:
The issue is not what Krisher did or didn't do. Once the Feds took over, the issue is what Acosta failed to do. IMO, they are both culpable for this and should both be held responsible.

I'm betting that when the 53 page draft indictment and other case details are unsealed, we are going to find out just how solid that case was, and who else was named in the indictment that Acosta didn't want anyone to know about.
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All very good questions that should be asked and answered by Acosta and the other DOJ officials mentioned earlier who guided Acosta and approved his agreement with Epstein. Also, FBI officials should be asked if and why they agreed to close the investigation on someone they clearly knew was a serial child molester.

I think Krischer should be scrutinized just as much as Acosta instead of giving him a pat on the back for tweet slamming Trump's guy. Why did he let Epstein walk with such light punishment, was he pressured to do so?
 
dudalb said:
Too bad the Victorian level rules on language this site has keeps you from using the S word you really mean....

But the way that BB blindly defends everything Trump and his minions do is truly incredible.
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Well, there was those two year of lies by fake news and most Dems 24/7 about Trump being a Russian agent. Call me a skeptic, but I don't think those are the only lies that are being told about Trump, so I generally don't believe what is said by Dems or fake news (I know, redundant) about anything or anyone associated with Trump that isn't supported by convincing evidence.
 
Bogative said:
All very good questions that should be asked and answered by Acosta and the other DOJ officials mentioned earlier who guided Acosta and approved his agreement with Epstein. Also, FBI officials should be asked if and why they agreed to close the investigation on someone they clearly knew was a serial child molester.

I think Krischer should be scrutinized just as much as Acosta instead of giving him a pat on the back for tweet slamming Trump's guy. Why did he let Epstein walk with such light punishment, was he pressured to do so?
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I agree

Krischer said Acosta was lying (or more precisely, that his recollection was wrong) but that doesn't necessarily absolve the former of dropping the ball in the first place. It will depend on when and how the Feds stepped in and took jurisdiction.

If they did so after State investigation was completed, and Krischer had decided not to proceed, then both Acosta and Krischer are in the frame.

However, if the Feds simply stepped in and took over the State's investigation while it was still under way, then I would find it difficult to see how he should be held accountable. Acosta would be in this on his own.
 
BStrong said:
^Bingo^

My swag is that even as we post there's a plea deal in the works and Epstein will not implicate any other individuals involved in his crimes.
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^This.

There is a Brigade-sized element of lawyers working for famous names that has been mobilized. After his "conviction" in Florida it's a safe bet that he has blackmail materials kept in a safe place that the Feds can't touch, career-ending materials at the very least, freedom ending in most cases. The NY Southern District wants a confirmed kill on this, but I'm betting they take a plea deal so they can close this before names get dragged into the light.

Here's the thing that has been lost in this conversation:

This is about under-aged girls and boys being victimized. Some of them had been groomed by a parent to enter this lifestyle, and were doomed from the start. These youngsters were used as sex toys by wealthy and powerful men and women.

They deserve justice.

Epstein will go to prison. Unless some of those who were victimized come forward to law enforcement nobody else will see the inside of jail cell.

All the politics and rumors are just window dressing. Both ends of the political spectrum have invoked the gods of "Butwhatabout" as if their side is cleaner then the other. As skeptics we should start with the facts. Epstein's wealth allowed for the best legal defense. His social life was structured to make powerful friends, some of those friends shared his perversions, and some did not. Billionaires attract politicians from every level like a porch light attracts bugs. We've already seen many photos of Epstein with famous people, but without context we must be careful about the circumstances of which these photos were taken. Guilt by association does not mean guilty.

Sure, some of those famous faces are guilty as sin. But we have to prove it, and that will be hard, and in most case impossible even with eye witnesses. Those guilty famous faces most likely committed their crimes on Epstein's private island, Little Saint James, in the Virgin Islands. The mistake the Feds have made was not moving on Epstein's girlfriend/partner in crime, Ghislaine Maxwell, who likely has access to the alleged blackmail material. Hopefully the FBI is watching her but I'm not holding my breath. This means evidence is being destroyed.

We're going to be lucky if Epstein serves more than ten years in a real prison.
 
Axxman300 said:
This is about under-aged girls and boys being victimized. Some of them had been groomed by a parent to enter this lifestyle, and were doomed from the start. These youngsters were used as sex toys by wealthy and powerful men and women.

They deserve justice.

Epstein will go to prison. Unless some of those who were victimized come forward to law enforcement nobody else will see the inside of jail cell.
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Don't forget that when pedophiles groom their victims, threats about what will happen to them if they tell are a very important part of the process. And these threats will seem to have much more weight if several powerful men are involved.
Who would want to go up against a former or current president who already seems to be invulnerable to similar charges?
 
Real Hedge-Fund Managers Have Some Thoughts on What Epstein Was Actually Doing

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-on-what-epstein-was-doing.html
 
Axxman300 said:
^This.

There is a Brigade-sized element of lawyers working for famous names that has been mobilized. After his "conviction" in Florida it's a safe bet that he has blackmail materials kept in a safe place that the Feds can't touch, career-ending materials at the very least, freedom ending in most cases. The NY Southern District wants a confirmed kill on this, but I'm betting they take a plea deal so they can close this before names get dragged into the light.

Here's the thing that has been lost in this conversation:

This is about under-aged girls and boys being victimized. Some of them had been groomed by a parent to enter this lifestyle, and were doomed from the start. These youngsters were used as sex toys by wealthy and powerful men and women.

They deserve justice.

Epstein will go to prison. Unless some of those who were victimized come forward to law enforcement nobody else will see the inside of jail cell.

All the politics and rumors are just window dressing. Both ends of the political spectrum have invoked the gods of "Butwhatabout" as if their side is cleaner then the other. As skeptics we should start with the facts. Epstein's wealth allowed for the best legal defense. His social life was structured to make powerful friends, some of those friends shared his perversions, and some did not. Billionaires attract politicians from every level like a porch light attracts bugs. We've already seen many photos of Epstein with famous people, but without context we must be careful about the circumstances of which these photos were taken. Guilt by association does not mean guilty.

Sure, some of those famous faces are guilty as sin. But we have to prove it, and that will be hard, and in most case impossible even with eye witnesses. Those guilty famous faces most likely committed their crimes on Epstein's private island, Little Saint James, in the Virgin Islands. The mistake the Feds have made was not moving on Epstein's girlfriend/partner in crime, Ghislaine Maxwell, who likely has access to the alleged blackmail material. Hopefully the FBI is watching her but I'm not holding my breath. This means evidence is being destroyed.

We're going to be lucky if Epstein serves more than ten years in a real prison.
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I sincerely hope you are wrong Axxman, but I fear you may be right. It will depend on a lot of things.

News is coming out that two days after Miami Herald investigative reporter Julie Brown published her expose of Acosta's sweetheart deal for Epstein, the billionaire wired over US$300,000 to two of his alleged co-conspirators. If that is so, then he could also find himself up on federal witness tampering and obstruction of justice charges in addition to all the other charges he faces.

I hope the bastard spends the rest of his miserable life in the federal slammer. Epstein is 66, will probably be 67 by the time he is convicted, so assuming no parole, ten years means he would be 77 by the time he gets out.....if he lives that long. A ten year sentence for someone that age is like 20 years for a younger person. Also, ten years would probably be enough time for some inmates to make his life a living hell for him.... many, many inmates don't like kiddie fiddlers, and especially they don't like rich, white, entitled kiddie fiddlers. One might even "get him"!

Of course, I don't approve or advocate such a course of action, but if it did happen, I would struggle to work up any sympathy or outrage given the untold misery he has unleashed on those young girls and boys.
 
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Bubba said:
Real Hedge-Fund Managers Have Some Thoughts on What Epstein Was Actually Doing

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-on-what-epstein-was-doing.html
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Very similar to this one (see Theory #2: Blackmail): How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories (New York Magazine, July 9, 2019)
The alleged sex tapes could have been used against both the men and the young girls (or boys, in the case of Spacey, I guess).
 
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JihadJane said:
'Did Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein Work for Mossad?'

by Philip M. Giraldi, former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer.

https://ahtribune.com/us/3296-did-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-work-for-mossad.html
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It seems to be very speculative but not entirely unlikely.

This one is from today, same site, and it doesn't mention the Mossad angle:

For every Epstein who is—finally—called to account for his illegal sexual exploits after years of being given a free pass by those in power, there are hundreds (perhaps thousands) more in the halls of power and wealth whose predation of those most vulnerable among us continues unabated.
While Epstein’s alleged crimes are heinous enough on their own, he is part of a larger narrative of how a culture of entitlement becomes a cesspool and a breeding ground for despots and predators.
The Heart of Darkness: The Sexual Predators Within America’s Power Elite (American Herald Tribune, July 13, 2019)
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However, the American Herald Tribune seems to be very fond of conspiracy theories: Media Bias Fact Check: American Herald Tribune
 
From one angle, Epsteins operation looks a lot like a textbook blackmail factory.

Not that Epstein would necessarily be the one behind that aspect of the operation.

That hat would look better on CIA, or Mossad, or a similar outfit of some other state.

Or what if Epstein was a freelancer....offering the pics and vids to the highest bidder?


In other news....why would an ex US president fly on Epstein's Lolita Express 26 or more times, according to FAA logs?
 
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Bubba said:
From one angle, Epsteins operation looks a lot like a textbook blackmail factory.

Not that Epstein would necessarily be the one behind that aspect of the operation.

That hat would look better on CIA, or Mossad, or a similar outfit of some other state.

Or what if Epstein was a freelancer....offering the pics and vids to the highest bidder?


In other news....why would an ex US president fly on Epstein's Lolita Express 26 or more times, according to FAA logs?
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The 26 number seems to come from counting each leg of each trip as a separate flight. That would be 13 round trips if the flights were non-stop, fewer if they made multiple stops. Clinton says he made four trips on the plane.

Epstein is effective at worming his way in. He didn't just fly Clinton around for the jollies, he flew him to events in which they were both participating, such as fundraisers for medical work in Africa.

In 2002, Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker flew to Africa on Epstein’s plane as part of project to raise awareness about poverty and the AIDS crisis. “Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of 21st-century science,” Clinton said of Epstein in an interview with New York Magazine at the time. “I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.”
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That's a key thing to being an effective grifter - always having a pretext. I'm guessing the events that Epstein hosted ar Mar-a-lago also had similar pretexts.
 
I thought about opening an Epstein thread in the Conspiracy Theories section of this board because this is an excellent opportunity to observe and study what will likely become a CT no matter how the case winds up. There will be many questions left unanswered and most of those questions are being asked by CTists right now, knowing that they cannot be answered in the future, and thus proving their world view.

I write fiction, and my last three novels have featured villains based on Epstein. He's been on my radar for over five years. Writing allows the former CTist inside of me to go wild while sorting out fact from rumor.

The problem is that both sides want to use Epstein to "get" political figures they dislike. If I'm Epstein's lawyer I'll take advantage of this side show to get the lightest sentence possible by feeding the Feds big enough names to make them greedy, all the time knowing that most of those cases will fall apart later in court. Epstein gets time served and some famous names get slimed, but justice isn't served.
 
Axxman300 said:
I thought about opening an Epstein thread in the Conspiracy Theories section of this board because this is an excellent opportunity to observe and study what will likely become a CT no matter how the case winds up. There will be many questions left unanswered and most of those questions are being asked by CTists right now, knowing that they cannot be answered in the future, and thus proving their world view.

I write fiction, and my last three novels have featured villains based on Epstein. He's been on my radar for over five years. Writing allows the former CTist inside of me to go wild while sorting out fact from rumor.

The problem is that both sides want to use Epstein to "get" political figures they dislike. If I'm Epstein's lawyer I'll take advantage of this side show to get the lightest sentence possible by feeding the Feds big enough names to make them greedy, all the time knowing that most of those cases will fall apart later in court. Epstein gets time served and some famous names get slimed, but justice isn't served.
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Seems like an overly cynical view of the Feds and their ability to evaluate information given by Epstein.
 
dann said:
Very similar to this one (see Theory #2: Blackmail): How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories (New York Magazine, July 9, 2019)
The alleged sex tapes could have been used against both the men and the young girls (or boys, in the case of Spacey, I guess).
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Big investors and fund managers advertise their skill and polish their egos by going on current affairs programs, publishing books, giving talks at universities, we know their vision and their methods. They make filings for the FEC, we know what stock they hold. Bloomberg, Klarman, Buffett etc.

Epstein's operation seems to me like a clever combination of a Ponzi scheme and a blackmail operation.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Seems like an overly cynical view of the Feds and their ability to evaluate information given by Epstein.
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It is.

They had him before and dropped the ball. Maybe this time it's high-profile enough that they're forced to go all in. I hope so. I want to pleasantly surprised.

This is all speculation anyway. He might just make a plea deal and spend his last years in the can. Maybe his lawyers will take it to trial and make the Feds prove their case in a court of law, with that there's a 50/50 chance of acquittal, or a lesser sentence.
 
dudalb said:
Maybe that Trump has a reputation for trying to get out of paying his lawyers has something to do with that....
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Also his inability to keep his mouth shut. But what felonies will Giuliani advocate as normal lawyer behavior next?
 
smartcooky said:
That is an overblown exaggeration of what really happened

First, getting someone the Sex Offenders Register is no big deal when that person is a billionaire and will never have to find work. And actually getting someone on the Register is something any prosecutor can do in their sleep. You can get a drunk who pees in a bush next to a school put on the register.

Second, the term "Epstein in jail" is misleading. He was in jail at night, and let out six days a week from 7am to 5pm to "work" in his office. That's not a jail sentence, its a curfew - something you punish naughty schoolboys with when they misbehave.

Epstein should have got LIFE behind bars for what he did, not the 13 months of curfew that is no more than a slap on the wrist with a wet train ticket.
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It was the state that set the terms of Epstein's sentence, not Acosta.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
It was the state that set the terms of Epstein's sentence, not Acosta.
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Wrong (again)

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

"Alex Acosta was the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida when he negotiated an end to the federal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein."​

"But court records reveal details of the negotiations and the role that Acosta would play in arranging the deal, which scuttled the federal probe into a possible international sex trafficking operation. Among other things, Acosta allowed Epstein’s lawyers unusual freedoms in dictating the terms of the non-prosecution agreement."​


*FYI:
SDFL (Southern District of Florida) are Federal cops, NOT state cops
US Attorneys are Federal prosecutors, NOT state prosecutors.
 
1. Acosta didn’t do anything.
2. He did but there was nothing wrong with it.
3. The Dems did it too.
 
Just imagine what has gone on in older parts of the world. Where Epsteins operations pale in comparison to what the elite class has established and enjoyed for since forever.

..for example where the ruling class has been the law and chief cover-upper since forever...where an island like epstein's is amateur compared to what they've developed and kept out of sight for generations.
 
Someone said the birds adorning epsteins island temple are cockatoos, not owls. Some jumped on "Moloch's owls.." just like at Bohrmian grove, and on the dollar bill, in the corner, if you use a magnifying glass....


But this person said no, the statues are a particular crested cockatoo which is the only bird known to molest its young.

The poster pointed out how the cockatoos, when turned 90 degrees in silhouette side view, to face each other, make the exact silhouette of the owl seen on the dollar bill, and elsewhere. It is the crest of the two cockatoos which forms the owl's ears, seen in profile.

That fb post was gone when I went back to copy it. 'unsafe for the fb community'/

Anyone here know of this cockatoo trait?

The poster that claimed to know this said they had have known this after breeding thousands of parrotes..
 
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Bubba said:
Someone said the birds adorning epsteins island temple are cockatoos, not owls. Some jumped on "Moloch's owls.." just like at Bohrmian grove, and on the dollar bill, in the corner, if you use a magnifying glass....


But this person said no, the statues are a particular crested cockatoo which is the only bird known to molest its young.

The poster pointed out how the cockatoos, when turned 90 degrees in silhouette side view, to face each other, make the exact silhouette of the owl seen on the dollar bill, and elsewhere. It is the crest of the two cockatoos which forms the owl's ears, seen in profile.

That fb post was gone when I went back to copy it. 'unsafe for the fb community'
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You're definitely on to something there...:D
 
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