Ed Indictment in Breonna Taylor case.

rockinkt said:
Based on my training, knowledge, and experience as an RCMP firearms instructor and as a former member and eventual officer in charge of an RCMP Emergency Response Team (ERT) - I can tell you that shooting under such circumstances that these officers found themselves under would result in many misses.
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We all know Canadians are nice. Chances are that your cops wouldn't conduct, and your courts wouldn't authorize, the kind of midnight home invasion against a minor criminal that these cops pulled. And I'll bet you would know if the guy you were looking for was already in custody.
 
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Bob001 said:
We all know Canadians are nice. Chances are that your cops wouldn't conduct, and your courts wouldn't authorize, the kind of midnight home invasion against a minor criminal that these cops pulled. And I'll bet you would know if the guy you were looking for was already in custody.
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Don't fall for the stereotypes. There's more than enough jackassery up here as well.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Very surprised to see the cops voluntarily bringing this matter before a court after the system has done so much to sweep it under the rug.

Civil litigation means discovery, it means the entry of evidence into the public record. Hell of a way to show gratitude to a DA that bent over backwards to make this case disappear from public scrutiny.
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Maybe he's really angling for a very generous retirement package from the city of Louisville.
 
bignickel said:
Yeah, didn’t think you’d have an answer for that one.
“But it’s 3 am in the morning! If someone’s shooting at me in the house I burst into, I’m responsible for only hitting the person with the gun?! When did America turn into the USSR?!!”
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Your farcical scenario lacked any of the details necessary to provide an informed and rational answer.
The failure is yours - unless your objective was to troll.
 
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banquetbear said:
...I just watched this NYT Interactive that was published today.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007348445/breonna-taylor-death-cops.html

Oh boy. Its one thing to read about how it all went down. Its another to effectively "see it." The statements from the SWAT commander and the video while they were investigating the scene really says it all.
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It's not unusual for a lot of people to come out of the woodwork and say, in hindsight, that an operation was horribly botched / packed with stupid actions by stupid people / misguided / obviously stupid and wrong - after said operation went horribly wrong.

If these same detectives had uneventfully found a young woman there alone and searched the place, questioned her, or if the boyfriend had been there but hadn't opened fire, there'd be nobody saying anything negative about it.

This house out of all that were searched that night was the one they would've considered least likely to have someone inside who opened fire at them. This is probably why they sent detectives and not SWAT.

Hindsight is great.

I watched the video too and it doesn't change much for me, I agree that the cop who started firing through side windows was being dumb in doing so.

But the cops returning fire after one of them was shot isn't particularly troubling or wrong. Would it be better if they'd retreated, taken cover, and called out "this is the police! drop your weapons and come out!" etc. rather than unloading tons of bullets into the place? Sure, it would've been better.

Also would've been better if Taylor wasn't a drug dealer who dated other drug dealers, had dead bodies end up in her rental cars, got fired as an EMT in a way where they marked her as a "do not rehire" and if her boyfriend had not shot at cops.
 
Second police officer fired for falsifying the warrant that allowed the raid.

Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired [Wave3 News]

“Please be advised of my present intention to terminate your employment,” LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry began her two-page letter to Jaynes on Tuesday.

“Detective Jaynes lied when he swore ‘verified through a US Postal Inspector,’” Gentry wrote. “Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer. Detective Jaynes also lied when he swore a US Postal Inspector advised ‘that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages at 3003 Springfield Drive #4.’”
 
banquetbear said:
...I just watched this NYT Interactive that was published today.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007348445/breonna-taylor-death-cops.html

Oh boy. Its one thing to read about how it all went down. Its another to effectively "see it." The statements from the SWAT commander and the video while they were investigating the scene really says it all.
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That is an amazing piece of journalism. I thought one of the very first graphics summed up the entire murder: Orange are shots fired into the apartment by the police.

 
Trebuchet said:
Seriously? Whatever happened to "you're fired"? Or just "Your employment is terminated immediately". Is she going to change her mind tomorrow?
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I suspect that is SOP - laying out the grounds for dismissal and giving the employee some time to respond to the formal dismissal.

(My paranoid cynic however says they’ve published this in detail so future police officers know how to proceed more effectively when covering up their crimes.)
 
JoeMorgue said:
Man I wish I could murder someone and only lose my job.
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So serving a search warrant at a drug dealer's residence, getting shot, and returning fire - is now some sort of sweet deal "free murder" token in your eyes? Interesting.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
So serving a search warrant at a drug dealer's residence, getting shot, and returning fire - is now some sort of sweet deal "free murder" token in your eyes? Interesting.
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...the warrant should never have either been sought or granted. It wasn't a drug dealers residence. They had a no knock warrant, the evidence strongly suggests they didn't declare they were police, and the resident had every right (in the context of unknown people explosively entering the house) to stand their ground.
 
shuttlt said:
No they didn't. Again, you are rephrasing things to make the police claims conflict with statements from USPI. They said that they had verified through a US Postal Inspector that Glover had been receiving mail at Taylor's address.
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NBC News said:
Det. Joshua Jaynes was informed that the Louisville Metropolitan Police Department intends to terminate his employment, a department spokesperson confirmed to NBC News, and a lawyer for Det. Myles Cosgrove confirmed he received a letter of termination from the department.

Officers still have the right to a pre-termination hearing before the are officially fired, the spokesperson said.

Jaynes had written in a sworn affidavit submitted to a Jefferson County judge that he had "verified through a U.S. Postal Inspector" that Taylor’s former boyfriend Jamarcus Glover "has been receiving packages" at Taylor's home.

NBC News affiliate WAVE obtained the letter sent to Jaynes by LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry, which noted that the detective "lied when he swore" he spoke to a postal inspector.

“Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer," Gentry wrote.

Glover had been the target of a narcotics investigation and detectives raided Taylor’s apartment in March to obtain evidence in the case. An internal investigation by the department revealed that Jaynes never spoke to a postal inspector.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...o-obtained-breonna-taylor-warrant/ar-BB1ckx3D

...this was not an unexpected development.
 
Matthew Best said:
Second police officer fired for falsifying the warrant that allowed the raid.

Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired [Wave3 News]

“Please be advised of my present intention to terminate your employment,” LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry began her two-page letter to Jaynes on Tuesday.

“Detective Jaynes lied when he swore ‘verified through a US Postal Inspector,’” Gentry wrote. “Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer. Detective Jaynes also lied when he swore a US Postal Inspector advised ‘that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages at 3003 Springfield Drive #4.’”
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Where is the manslaugter charge for this, like when you swat someone and the cops get a bit too ink chasie?
 
Update on charges in this case:

The FBI has arrested the former Louisville Metro Police detective who was fired for lying on the search warrant that led to the deadly 2020 raid at Breonna Taylor's apartment as well three others, including the only officer to face state charges in connection with Taylor's fatal shooting.

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U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Jaynes, ex-officer Brett Hankison, Sgt. Kyle Meany and Officer Kelly Hanna Goodlett are the four defendants facing new federal charges in connection with the investigation that led to the March 13, 2020 death of Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman and emergency room technician whose name was a rallying cry for protesters around the country during 2020 demonstrations against police brutality and systemic racism.
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Good. I hope they get the book thrown at them and the tears from the racist apologists should be especially delicious.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Good. I hope they get the book thrown at them and the tears from the racist apologists should be especially delicious.
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Judging from the entirety of the article the DoJ\FBI have everything pretty well sealed up. It's pretty much just a waiting game now.

Hopefully Taylor will get the justice she deserves.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Good. I hope they get the book thrown at them and the tears from the racist apologists should be especially delicious.
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Yep Almost as sweet as the Tears from the Seditious conspiracy MAGA going to Trial for their Treason on the 6th.
Hope they clean up Kentucky but I doubt it will. Have much effect on this Courpt State.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Good. I hope they get the book thrown at them and the tears from the racist apologists should be especially delicious.
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I don't expect to see them address it. Most of them, when they turn out to be completely wrong like in this case, just quickly start trumpeting some other case involving a black person they say definitely deserved it.
 
Judge rules Breonna Taylor's boyfriend caused her death, throws out major charges against ex-Louisville officers
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/breonna-taylor-kenneth-walker-judge-dismisses-officer-charges/
A federal judge has thrown out major felony charges against two former Louisville officers accused of falsifying a warrant that led police to Breonna Taylor's door before they fatally shot her.

U.S. District Judge Charles Simpson's ruling declared that the actions of Taylor's boyfriend, who fired a shot at police the night of the raid, were the legal cause of her death, not a bad warrant.

Federal charges against former Louisville Police Detective Joshua Jaynes and former Sgt. Kyle Meany were announced by U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland in 2022 during a high-profile visit to Louisville. Garland accused Jaynes and Meany, who were not present at the raid, of knowing they had falsified part of the warrant and put Taylor in a dangerous situation by sending armed officers to her apartment.

But Simpson wrote in the Tuesday ruling that "there is no direct link between the warrantless entry and Taylor's death." Simpson's ruling effectively reduced the civil rights violation charges against Jaynes and Meany, which had carried a maximum sentence of life in prison, to misdemeanors.
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This is some ****** up ****.
 
U.S. District Judge Charles Simpson's ruling declared that the actions of Taylor's boyfriend, who fired a shot at police the night of the raid, were the legal cause of her death, not a bad warrant.
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Which in turn hinges entirely on believing the shooters, who claimed they had announced themselves, something disputed by witnesses.

Apparently the judge is 79 years old, good on him for still having the mental accuity to oversee such a complex case...
 
Bikewer said:
Just announced, one of the officers was indicted for “reckless endangerment” for apparently shooting into adjacent apartments.
None of the officers actually involved in the shooting were charged, the investigation showed they were acting properly.

This has been pretty apparent from the time that fairly detailed accounts of the incident became public.... The death of Taylor was a tragic accident but not criminal. The officers did not go to the wrong address, they were looking for Taylor’s boyfriend.
They did have a “no knock” warrant, and the boyfriend did open fire on them as they forced their way in.
They returned fire and Taylor caught a bullet. Tragedy, but no “murder”...
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ANd we can ignore the police inventing things out of whole cloth to get those things as lying to the court is one of the things police are allowed to do. Imagine what the world would be like if the police were not allowed to fabricate evidence against people they know are guilty like Taylor.
 
A federal jury on Friday convicted a former Kentucky police detective of using excessive force on Breonna Taylor during a botched 2020 drug raid that left her dead.
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The 12-member jury returned the late-night verdict after clearing Brett Hankison earlier in the evening on a charge that he used excessive force on Taylor’s neighbors.

It’s the first conviction of a Louisville police officer who was involved in the deadly raid.

Some members of the jury were in tears as the verdict was read around 9:30 p.m. Friday. They had earlier indicated to the judge in two separate messages that they were deadlocked on the charge of using excessive force on Taylor but chose to continue deliberating. The six man, six woman jury deliberated for more than 20 hours over three days.
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