Split Thread ICE arrests mayor

Hercules56 said:
Law still applies to almost every single govt agent and personnel.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Up next you are going to argue kidnapping people and torturing them to death due to a clerical error was some kind of crime instead just one of those things that happens when you have properly functioning intelligence agencies.
 
Donal said:
....When the people charged with upholding the law decide it doesn't apply to them, it doesn't apply to anyone....
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Classic mantra of pretty much all right-wing extremists, militia-type, J6ers, etc.
 
I would not hang my hat on what Alina Habba thinks might be unlawful. There were a number of people pushing and shoving in the press. Why was only the Congresswoman charged? If Rep. McIver's conduct was so egregious, why was she invited back a short while later to finish her inspection?
 
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JayUtah said:
I would not hang my hat on what Alina Habba thinks might be unlawful. There were a number of people pushing and shoving in the press. Why was only the Congresswoman charged?
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Not sure that's accurate.
 
JayUtah said:
I would not hang my hat on what Alina Habba thinks might be unlawful. There were a number of people pushing and shoving in the press. Why was only the Congresswoman charged?
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Because republicans have a history of assaulting the press with out consequence?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Bush II. Of course Obama and such gave them a pass as it would be too embarrassing to the government to actually charge people for torturing detainees.
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I agree they should have been charged and convicted for war crimes. Military justice is different than law in the USA.
 
JayUtah said:
I would not hang my hat on what Alina Habba thinks might be unlawful. There were a number of people pushing and shoving in the press. Why was only the Congresswoman charged? If Rep. McIver's conduct was so egregious, why was she invited back a short while later to finish her inspection?
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Wasn't she disbarred in New Jersey for what she did to that Bedminster employee?
 
Helen said:
Civil disobedience has always been a vital part of any fight against injustices.
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I fully agree. Civil disobedience is moral and just. Usually.

But you can still get arrested for it and only morons think you should not be.
 
Donal said:
The point is not to just get arrested. The rest of us are supposed to see that and want them not to have been arrested. To understand that the people executing the arrest have no legitimacy to do so. You have a role to play in civil disobedience as an observer.
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If you interfere with an arrest by a police officer you are committing a crime.

Dont play the game of Civil Disobedience if you're gonna cry when you get busted.
 
Donal said:
Wasn't she disbarred in New Jersey for what she did to that Bedminster employee?
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She was not disbarred. The Bedminster employee sued the golf club and Habba. As part of the employee's prayer for relief, Habba was to be referred for discplinary action if the employee prevailed. The settlement of the suit extinguished that prayer.

Judge Kaplan threatened to refer her for bar discipline in the E. Jean Carroll case. In that case, Habba not only violated Judge Kaplan's orders, she displayed considerable incompetence in trial practice by not knowing how to enter evidence. She was also an attorney of record in Donald Trump's rambling lawsuit against Hillary Clinton for alleged interference in the 2016 election that was summarily dismissed. This is why I say I would not trust Alina Habba's understanding of law or trial practice.
 
Hercules56 said:
If you interfere with an arrest by a police officer you are committing a crime.

Dont play the game of Civil Disobedience if you're gonna cry when you get busted.
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Or really even try to protest legally, the cops don't really care see how they treated legal black lives matter protestors.
 
JayUtah said:
She was not disbarred. The Bedminster employee sued the golf club and Habba. As part of the employee's prayer for relief, Habba was to be referred for discplinary action if the employee prevailed. The settlement of the suit extinguished that prayer.

Judge Kaplan threatened to refer her for bar discipline in the E. Jean Carroll case. In that case, Habba not only violated Judge Kaplan's orders, she displayed considerable incompetence in trial practice by not knowing how to enter evidence. She was also an attorney of record in Donald Trump's rambling lawsuit against Hillary Clinton for alleged interference in the 2016 election that was summarily dismissed. This is why I say I would not trust Alina Habba's understanding of law or trial practice.
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I've heard her referred to as a parking lot lawyer. I'm pretty sure that's not good.
 
Resume said:
I've heard her referred to as a parking lot lawyer. I'm pretty sure that's not good.
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Alina Habba was general counsel for a parking garage company owned by her husband. You can draw your own conclusions regarding whether that position was obtained on merits. Prior to representing Donald Trump, she had only three cases as lead attorney, no experience as a prosecutor, and no experience in criminal defense. By prevailing standards she is utterly unqualified to be a U.S. Attorney, even on an interim basis.

In a larger sense, "parking lot attorney" is a pejorative, much like "ambulance chaser," to indicate someone whose practice is mostly pursuing personal injury or vehicle liability claims, often in a somewhat predatory manner. Habba has never practiced in personal injury as far as I'm able to determine. However, the label may indicate her reputation within the legal community in New York and New Jersey.
 
Hercules56 said:
If you interfere with an arrest by a police officer you are committing a crime.
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It used to be a crime to use the wrong water fountain while black.
Hercules56 said:
Dont play the game of Civil Disobedience if you're gonna cry when you get busted.
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1) This is no game. People's lives are at stake.

2) It's not some philosophical discussion for people to flex their centrist bona fides

3) Again, as an observer, you have a role to play here. You get to choose that role. And you have to live with your choice.
 
Hercules56 said:
ICE agent made it clear that he asked them to leave multiple times, that ONLY the Congresswoman had a legal right to be there. Its in the video.
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Like a legal right to be there prevents being arrested for refusing to leave when so ordered.
 
Hercules56 said:
ONLY the Congresswoman had a legal right to be there. Everyone else was trespassing.
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SO was she, she refused the lawful order to leave by ICE so she should be charged just like everyone else. But I see the charges being dropped is something you are skipping right over.
 
ponderingturtle said:
SO was she, she refused the lawful order to leave by ICE so she should be charged just like everyone else. But I see the charges being dropped is something you are skipping right over.
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Congresswoman was not trespassing, she had a legal right to be there.
 
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