Split Thread ICE arrests mayor

Charges against the Newark mayor have been dropped.

However, separate charges are filed against Congresswoman LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) alleging she assaulted an ICE agent during the arrest of the mayor.
 
In defense of DHS official Tricia McLaughlin -- insisting that members of Congress and the Newark mayor assaulted and "bodyslammed" ICE officers even as Blackwell plays her video demonstrating that they in fact did not -- you can't see it on the CNN news video, but McLaughlin was making air-quotes with her fingers whenever she said "bodyslammed." ;)
 
newyorkguy said:
In defense of DHS official Tricia McLaughlin -- insisting that members of Congress and the Newark mayor assaulted and "bodyslammed" ICE officers even as Blackwell plays her video demonstrating that they in fact did not -- you can't see it on the CNN news video, but McLaughlin was making air-quotes with her fingers whenever she said "bodyslammed." ;)
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So that makes it a joke? So the full legal accusation for the charges is that the congresswoman was the unknowing butt of a joke? Is it now illegal to be the butt of a joke??
 
newyorkguy said:
In defense of DHS official Tricia McLaughlin -- insisting that members of Congress and the Newark mayor assaulted and "bodyslammed" ICE officers even as Blackwell plays her video demonstrating that they in fact did not -- you can't see it on the CNN news video, but McLaughlin was making air-quotes with her fingers whenever she said "bodyslammed." ;)
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What she meant to say was "Stone Cold Stunner". We have video of Rep McIver running through the facility doing so

 
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Attention whore with low poll numbers running for Governor got arrested after tresspassing.

Big woop.
 
Hercules56 said:
Attention whore with low poll numbers running for Governor got arrested after tresspassing.
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Yea no one actually give a crap about other human beings, they are just doing it to make themselves look good. Certainly his mind control where he used sorcery to get them to illegally arrest him is just the icing on the cake.

I guess the best he could have planned to be arrested is know that all ICE are just violent goons who don't care about the law and so this is the predictable outcome, like how the police did not care about the paraplegic they arrested for kicking down someone's door(of course with no damage to said door). Cops are always going to violate your constitutional rights and he bet on that.
 
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Yea no one actually give a crap about other human beings, they are just doing it to make themselves look good...
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Are you actually going to deny that sometimes politicians running for office and are doing very poorly in the polls once in a while pull a stunt to get attention?

Wow. I had no idea that EVERY politician on Earth was soo benevolent. We might as well make it illegal to indict a sitting politician running for office because ALL such accusations are obviously false.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Are you actually going to deny that sometimes politicians running for office and are doing very poorly in the polls once in a while pull a stunt to get attention?
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How does his desire to do so get the ICE agents to violate his rights? I mean I guess violating constitutional rights is what ICE is for after all so it is entirely predictable.

The thing is he didn't do anything that counts as a protest with the intent to get arrested.
 
newyorkguy said:
In defense of DHS official Tricia McLaughlin -- insisting that members of Congress and the Newark mayor assaulted and "bodyslammed" ICE officers even as Blackwell plays her video demonstrating that they in fact did not -- you can't see it on the CNN news video, but McLaughlin was making air-quotes with her fingers whenever she said "bodyslammed." ;)
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What's visible on the video is that Rep. Mciver at one point briefly had her hand on an officer's shoulder. I had to go frame by frame to see it. All this happened while there was a press of people surrounding the mayor, Ms. McIver, and at least two ICE officers, one of whom was apparently effecting the arrest and trying to place the mayor in handcuffs. If that's the standard, then this scuffle should have resulted in a half dozen assault charges, including ones where the Congresswoman was the victim.
 
JayUtah said:
What's visible on the video is that Rep. Mciver at one point briefly had her hand on an officer's shoulder. I had to go frame by frame to see it. All this happened while there was a press of people surrounding the mayor, Ms. McIver, and at least two ICE officers, one of whom was apparently effecting the arrest and trying to place the mayor in handcuffs. If that's the standard, then this scuffle should have resulted in a half dozen assault charges, including ones where the Congresswoman was the victim.
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By surrounding the mayor as ICE tried to arrest him, they engaged in Obstruction of Justice OR obstruction of government administration, they are lucky they are not all charged.
 
Hercules56 said:
Are you actually going to deny that sometimes politicians running for office and are doing very poorly in the polls once in a while pull a stunt to get attention?

Wow. I had no idea that EVERY politician on Earth was soo benevolent. We might as well make it illegal to indict a sitting politician running for office because ALL such accusations are obviously false.
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is this some kind of avant garde performance art piece? if it is, it’s pretty brilliant
 
HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY KRISTI NOEM

“After a thorough review of the video footage of Delaney Hall and a full investigation from HSI, the U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey has made the determination to charge Congresswoman LaMonica McIver for assaulting, resisting, and impeding law enforcement officers.

No one is above the law. If any person, regardless of political party, influence or status, assaults a law enforcement officer as we witnessed Congresswoman McIver do, you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

We thank our brave ICE law enforcement officers for their service to this great nation.”
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Actually, your corrupt boss is. I've recently seen the highlighted come out of the mouths of Habba and Bondi. What a bunch of blatant ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ hypocrites
 
Centrists telling uppity black folks to get in line is pretty on brand. "Sure, the process is violating human rights and reflecting the beginning of the worst atrocities of the 20th Century, but we must respect the tour guide. Getting out of line to stop the atrocities is a far worse crime."
 
I'm not the one sounding like MLK's "white moderate". While it's fair to call it political posturing, Baraka still put his own skin in the game for someone else. Centrists always have to wait for "the right time" and "the right person" to do it. As small and performative as it might be, I'll take it over empty words on the internet.
 
Donal said:
I'm not the one sounding like MLK's "white moderate". While it's fair to call it political posturing, Baraka still put his own skin in the game for someone else. Centrists always have to wait for "the right time" and "the right person" to do it. As small and performative as it might be, I'll take it over empty words on the internet.
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It was a very poor plan for political posturing, he only made the news because of a wrongful arrest. If ICE had just respected the law no one would have heard about any of this.

Of course ICE wouldn't be ICE if they respected the law, so maybe not as bad a plan as you might think.
 
Donal said:
Centrists telling uppity black folks to get in line is pretty on brand. "Sure, the process is violating human rights and reflecting the beginning of the worst atrocities of the 20th Century, but we must respect the tour guide. Getting out of line to stop the atrocities is a far worse crime."
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That is why I believe there should be a civil rights and democracy litmus test to any political party and political candidates in the USA.

You must swear to abide by and uphold the US Constitution, democracy, The Bill of Rights, the Civil Rights Act, etc.

Otherwise you cannot run for office.
 
Hercules56 said:
That is why I believe there should be a civil rights and democracy litmus test to any political party and political candidates in the USA.

You must swear to abide by and uphold the US Constitution, democracy, The Bill of Rights, the Civil Rights Act, etc.

Otherwise you cannot run for office.
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You swear an oath of office to do those things when you take any job in the federal government. How is that working out these days?
 
Donal said:
Good for them
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Morally? Perhaps. But still illegal.

And they should be charged.

You have no right to forcefully prevent an arrest.

Jury may in fact find them Not Guilty through nullification, which I totally support.

I once almost nullified a murder guilty verdict because the charge was brought in Federal court, cuz suspect communicated about the murder over a telephone, which is seen as an instrument of interstate commerce, EVEN though the phone call was within the same state.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Morally? Perhaps. But still illegal.
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When the people enforcing the law are no longer beholden to it, "illegal" and "legal" are meaningless.
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And they should be charged.
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Are you trying to get them elected?
Hercules56 said:
You have no right to forcefully prevent an arrest.
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Depends on the state. In the states that permit defending yourself against unlawful arrests, you are permitted to use a "proportionate response". And, quite frankly, I think that needs to be expanded to all 50 states.
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Jury may in fact find them Not Guilty by nullification.
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And I may see Bigfoot walking through my backyard. The legal system has been designed over the years specifically to brow beat defendants.
 
Donal said:
When the people enforcing the law are no longer beholden to it, "illegal" and "legal" are meaningless....
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Not according to our Constitution. There is a legal way to stand up to corruption, and an illegal way.

The illegal way comes with legal consequences.
 
Donal said:
...Depends on the state. In the states that permit defending yourself against unlawful arrests, you are permitted to use a "proportionate response". And, quite frankly, I think that needs to be expanded to all 50 states....
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Does this include when the person accused of the unlawful arrest is a police officer arresting you for violating the state criminal code and has probable cause?
 
Donal said:
The Constitution is a written plan of government. It's the rules they have to abide by. When they choose not to, all bets are off.

And when the corrupt decide what is legal and illegal? What then?..
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Not up to you to decide when public officials are corrupt and therefore their orders can be ignored. What you are calling for is anarchy and lawlessness.
 
Hercules56 said:
Does this include when the person accused of the unlawful arrest is a police officer arresting you for violating the state criminal code and has probable cause?
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That's pretty much what defines a alwful and unlawful arrest. But, they shouldn't be able to decide to arrest you because their weak daddy got his feefees hurt.
 
Donal said:
The Constitution is a written plan of government. It's the rules they have to abide by. When they choose not to, all bets are off....
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Are you intentionally quoting the January 6 insurrectionists?
 
Donal said:
That's pretty much what defines a alwful and unlawful arrest. But, they shouldn't be able to decide to arrest you because their weak daddy got his feefees hurt.
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Perhaps this should be your comments, with such beliefs regarding laws and resisting the law.

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Hercules56 said:
Not up to you to decide when public officials are corrupt and therefore their orders can be ignored.
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We have laws for that. But the laws don't seem to apply to the people in charge. That's not what we're supposed to be about.
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What you are calling for is anarchy and lawlessness.
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Actually, I'm calling for the actual rule of law. Where everyone, no matter their race, social status, wealth, political preferences, gender, sexuality, or any other way you want to divide people, are held to the same standards. Where we are all equally bound and protected by the law. That can't be a one way street. When the people charged with upholding the law decide it doesn't apply to them, it doesn't apply to anyone.

Happy people don't rise against their government (unless the CIA gets involved). I can't seem to find a time a society broke down because the government didn't crack enough skulls.
 
Donal said:
We have laws for that. But the laws don't seem to apply to the people in charge. That's not what we're supposed to be about....
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Law still applies to almost every single govt agent and personnel.
 
Hercules56 said:
Are you intentionally quoting the January 6 insurrectionists?
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The sentiment was right, but their ...ferver...was obviously misplaced. Granted, most of them didn't actually seem to believe that anyway. Granted, if you want to show proof their claims about the 2020 election, feel free.

And I'd rather that than sounding like George Wallace.
 
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