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Merged Hunter Biden pardoned/was Biden right to pardon Hunter?

Was Joe Biden right to pardon his son Hunter?

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Wow, after all he said that he would not get involved. I don't like it.
 
Ranb said:

President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden​

What is the reasoning behind this? So far it seems like fodder for the MAGA mill.

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Who cares about the "MAGA mill"?

And seriously, do you not understand the reasoning behind it? I mean, what do you need other than "It was only done as a political hitjob on his father and if his name wasn't 'Biden' he would have never been prosecuted"?
 
Trump pardoned his son-in-law’s father and appointed him Ambassador to France, why shouldn't Biden pardon his son who was only in jail as a way to attack Biden?

As someone posted on Twitter

"Trump pardoned his son-in-law's daddy, his campaign manager who lied to protect him, his NSA who lied to protect him, his Coffee Boy who lied to protect him and his former campaign manager who had just helped him launch an insurrection."
 
Andy_Ross said:
Trump pardoned his son-in-law’s father and appointed him Ambassador to France, why shouldn't Biden pardon his son who was only in jail as a way to attack Biden?

As someone posted on Twitter

"Trump pardoned his son-in-law's daddy, his campaign manager who lied to protect him, his NSA who lied to protect him, his Coffee Boy who lied to protect him and his former campaign manager who had just helped him launch an insurrection."
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That sort of sounds Tu quoque - if they can do it, then we can too. I don't like these political pardons, but it's not like a new thing.

Anyone remember 1974? I don't because I was about five years old.
 
PitPat said:
Anyone remember 1974? I don't because I was about five years old.
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If you're referring to Ford's pardon of Nixon, it was a very unpopular action - according to Wikipedia, Ford's approval rating dropped by 21%. Ford lost the election in 1976 - did the pardon play a role?
 
pgwenthold said:
And seriously, do you not understand the reasoning behind it? I mean, what do you need other than "It was only done as a political hitjob on his father and if his name wasn't 'Biden' he would have never been prosecuted"?
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So will Biden pardon every other drug addict that violated gun control law? I doubt it.
 
Olmstead said:
He's old and tired and can't be bothered anymore.

Besides, this is exactly what most of the electorate has voted for, isn't it? Let's give them what they want.
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He's old and tired, and dishonest underneath, and can't be bothered to hide his fundamental lack of honesty and integrity any more, particularly because he's milked the system for all possible personal gain, and has nothing to lose any more at a personal level.

Sure, Trump's like a million times worse, in a hundred different ways. That does not exonerate this legally endorsed grift.

Biden's proved himself a mini-Trump by doing this. A prettier version, and sans the charisma.

This is ...tragic, no less.
 
Trausti said:
Nah. He decided to take a bullet (figuratively) to save his son. As a father, I totally get it.
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I'm not surprised you don't think there's anything wrong with this. Given you support Trump and everything he represents.

Sure I get, we all get, the impulse of a father to save his son ---- or the equally 'natural' impulse of a man to fill his own pockets, or have his ego boosted. Of course we all get it.

Biden's brought himself down to Trump's level by doing this. Not quite his level, obviously: but that difference in scale speaks only to the fact that he's pettier. This was a dishonest thing to do, even if obviously legal. Biden's let everyone down, let's not sugarcoat this. Shame on him.
 
Chanakya said:
I'm not surprised you don't think there's anything wrong with this. Given you support Trump and everything he represents.

Sure I get, we all get, the impulse of a father to save his son ---- or the equally 'natural' impulse of a man to fill his own pockets, or have his ego boosted. Of course we all get it.

Biden's brought himself down to Trump's level by doing this. Not quite his level, obviously: but that difference in scale speaks only to the fact that he's pettier. This was a dishonest thing to do, even if obviously legal. Biden's let everyone down, let's not sugarcoat this. Shame on him.
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Ah, yes, this is familiar: Democrats must be held to the standards of saints and angels.
 
Now he needs to get busy and pardon the myriad others that the apricot anus may think to prosecute, like Smith or Fauci or James or Chutkin or Merchan. The malignant orange ◊◊◊◊ wad is unpredictable so who knows where his wrath is pointed.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ah, yes, this is familiar: Democrats must be held to the standards of saints and angels.
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And the magapublicans will be held to the standards of whatever apologetic they can foist on their credulous cultists. ◊◊◊◊ them. It's time to take the gloves off and play their game.
 
Chanakya said:
He's old and tired, and dishonest underneath, and can't be bothered to hide his fundamental lack of honesty and integrity any more, particularly because he's milked the system for all possible personal gain, and has nothing to lose any more at a personal level.
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The what, now? Joe Biden did not become president to escape federal charges that would have put him in jail for [the rest of his miserable] life.
Chanakya said:
Sure, Trump's like a million times worse, in a hundred different ways. That does not exonerate this legally endorsed grift.

Biden's proved himself a mini-Trump by doing this. A prettier version, and sans the charisma.

This is ...tragic, no less.
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It's all perfectly legal. The US president cannot be charged with criminal activity in the course of his official duties. This is actually the least that Joe could have done. For example, he could have ordered Trump assassinated. Extra-judicial killings as a presidential order are fine with SCOTUS.
 
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Chanakya said:
I'm not surprised you don't think there's anything wrong with this. Given you support Trump and everything he represents.
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I'm a father. There is nothing more precious then your children. Biden's reputation will be tarnished and he'll be infamously known as the only president to pardon a family member. But, he gets to be with his son for the last few years of his life. Seems like are bargain.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ah, yes, this is familiar: Democrats must be held to the standards of saints and angels.
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Not saints and angels. Just ordinary honest men.

I'm sure you wouldn't do something like this. I know I wouldn't. Honesty, personal integrity, isn't such a rare commodity.

Regardless of what we'd personally do, if this is condoned, then Trump's venality merely becomes a matter of scale, that Biden does not reach up to because his vision is petty.

Of course, there's much else completely wrong with Trump than just the lack of personal integrity. Biden's dishonesty now does not speak to all of that. Still? Why must we dragged down to supporting an unprincipled father's support of a dishonest son?
 
Chanakya said:
Of course, there's much else completely wrong with Trump than just the lack of personal integrity. Biden's dishonesty now does not speak to all of that. Still? Why must we dragged down to supporting an unprincipled father's support of a dishonest son?
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The what, now? I don't think you're getting it. This is all perfectly legal and well within the designated powers of the US President. Ford set the precedent, pardoning the criminal Nixon. Yet Ford didn't go to jail. So in what way is this "dishonest"? Or are you just annoyed that a Democrat would do something that the Republican SCOTUS thought would be good for, and reserved for, Republicans only.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The what, now? Joe Biden did not become president to escape federal charges that would have put him in jail for [the rest of his miserable] life.

It's all perfectly legal. The US president cannot be charged with criminal activity in the course of his official duties. This is actually the least that Joe could have done. For example, he could have ordered Trump assassinated. Extra-judicial killings as a presidential order are fine with SCOTUS.
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Not beyond just this instance. But this is plenty, surely?

Not Trumpian in scale, though, sure.

Biden doesn't deserve to be supported on this. He's proved himself unprincipled. Plus he's shown he cares more about his dishonest son than about what happens to the country, given he can surely imagine how this will be seen by many of his supporters, and what it might further do to morale.


Eta: Agreed, dishonesty is not the right word. Unprincipled, then
 
Chanakya said:
Biden doesn't deserve to be supported on this. He's proved himself unprincipled. Plus he's shown he cares more about his dishonest son than about what happens to the country, given he can surely imagine how this will be seen by many of his supporters, and what it might further do to morale.
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I'll repeat: The what, now? In Hunter's case, Joe did not interfere with the case, did not comment on it, let it play out through channels, and Hunter was convicted. He was facing jail time. And yet Joe is now unprincipled by pardoning him? Even God stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac on the altar in atonement. So Joe has a decent example to follow.
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Eta: Agreed, dishonesty is not the right word. Unprincipled, then
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ONE pardon makes Biden "unprincipled"?? Seriously? I would use the words "fed up".
 
Chanakya said:
Not beyond just this instance. But this is plenty, surely?

Not Trumpian in scale, though, sure.

Biden doesn't deserve to be supported on this. He's proved himself unprincipled. Plus he's shown he cares more about his dishonest son than about what happens to the country, given he can surely imagine how this will be seen by many of his supporters, and what it might further do to morale.


Eta: Agreed, dishonesty is not the right word. Unprincipled, then
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How is it unprincipled? The justification for having the power to pardon is that sometimes the justice system does not deliver justice, and extraordinary intervention can be used. Hunter Biden's crime was laughably tiny compared to the amount of time and resources spent by his father's political opponents in attempting to make more of the case than actually was. It is abundantly clear to all but the terminally naive that this state of things would not only continue but accelerate under the incoming orange turdclown. Extraordinary situation, fixable by the well-established function of the pardon. A time-honored, legal, and completely accepted thing in American jurisprudence.

If Biden had pardoned an unrelated person for the exact same thing would you have the same exaggerated horror at it? If so, why? If not, why not? Hunter Biden shouldn't be denied something any other American can have just because of who his father is. Especially since he's only in trouble in the first place because of who his father is.
 
Resume said:
Now he needs to get busy and pardon the myriad others that the apricot anus may think to prosecute, like Smith or Fauci or James or Chutkin or Merchan. The malignant orange ◊◊◊◊ wad is unpredictable so who knows where his wrath is pointed.
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Preemptive pardons? Not sure that's a thing.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yes, it is. Ford's pardon of Nixon came before Nixon was charged or convicted of any criminal offenses.
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Didn't know that. Well then I should say more heavily utilized in the near future, though will probably face several lawsuits..
 
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