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How Many Times Does Biden Have to Prove He's Mentally Unfit B4 Dems Will Admit It?

mikegriffith1 said:
I mean, seriously: Just in the last few weeks, Biden has said three times that he spoke with foreign leaders who actually died years before he thought he spoke with them. From a recent news article (published three days ago):

For the third time this week, President Biden told an audience that he discussed the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the US Capitol with European leaders who were actually dead at the time.

On Wednesday, Biden told Democratic donors in New York that he spoke about the riot with former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, whose death pre-dates the event by nearly half a decade.

The shocking gaffe comes just days after the 81-year-old president confused French President Emmanuel Macron with the country’s ex-leader Francois Mitterrand — who died in 1996.

Biden made the blunder Wednesday in front of audiences at two separate fundraisers as he regaled donors with an anecdote about his first international trip as president – to the 2021 G-7 summit in Great Britain – after his 2020 election win over former President Donald Trump.

Kohl, who served as the chancellor of Germany from 1982 to 1998, died in 2017 – nearly four years before the 2021 G7 summit.

Angela Merkel was the chancellor of Germany at the time of the gathering of world leaders Biden was referring to.

About 50 guests, including actor Robert De Niro, were witness to the gaffe.

Biden also referenced “Helmut Kohl of Germany” during the telling of a nearly identical anecdote during a stop at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel near Columbus Circle, for an event hosted by Dr. Ramon Tallaj, chairman of the nonprofit SOMOS Community Care and a member of Mayor Eric Adams’s COVID-19 recovery task force.

And then there was the truly disturbing time in late 2022 when Biden asked if deceased Congresswoman Jackie Walorski was present at a White House event:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jo...resswoman-present-white-house-event-rcna49898

Walorski had died nearly two months earlier, but Biden called out for her from the podium: "“Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie?” as he looked out and scanned the audience.

Are you kidding me? The guy is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. And, no, I'm not backing Trump in the GOP primary. I wish he'd quit and go enjoy what's left of his money. This should not be a partisan issue. Biden is clearly mentally unfit for office.
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I think Reagan proved that mental fitness is not a requirement for the job.
 
acbytesla said:
.... I don't think the vast majority of people have a clue what makes a President competent. Image plays far too great a role to the electorate. What should matter is policy and honesty. Are their policies in the best interest of the vast majority of the citizens? Are the people they appoint competent and committed to that same end?

Everything else is packaging.
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Maybe citations of Biden policy blunders or flubbed meetings with foreign leaders can be posted as evidence Biden isn't capable of doing his job. :thumbsup:
 
Dr. Keith said:
I think Reagan proved that mental fitness is not a requirement for the job.
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There were things more hidden back then.

Still, halfway through his second term was Reagan's iconic "Tear Down This Wall" speech at the Brandenburg Gate. Go see it.
That was June,1987.

Alzheimers typically lasts 10 years to death, and not much longer.
Reagan shared his Alzheimer's diagnosis (officially) in 1994 and died in 2004, at 93 years old.

Maybe he lasted an extra 7 years past the norm from great medical care, but likely he was just an older man with early signs in his 70's when questions arose.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
I mean, seriously: Just in the last few weeks, Biden has said three times that he spoke with foreign leaders who actually died years before he thought he spoke with them. From a recent news article (published three days ago):

For the third time this week, President Biden told an audience that he discussed the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the US Capitol with European leaders who were actually dead at the time.

On Wednesday, Biden told Democratic donors in New York that he spoke about the riot with former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, whose death pre-dates the event by nearly half a decade.

The shocking gaffe comes just days after the 81-year-old president confused French President Emmanuel Macron with the country’s ex-leader Francois Mitterrand — who died in 1996.

Biden made the blunder Wednesday in front of audiences at two separate fundraisers as he regaled donors with an anecdote about his first international trip as president – to the 2021 G-7 summit in Great Britain – after his 2020 election win over former President Donald Trump.

Kohl, who served as the chancellor of Germany from 1982 to 1998, died in 2017 – nearly four years before the 2021 G7 summit.

Angela Merkel was the chancellor of Germany at the time of the gathering of world leaders Biden was referring to.

About 50 guests, including actor Robert De Niro, were witness to the gaffe.

Biden also referenced “Helmut Kohl of Germany” during the telling of a nearly identical anecdote during a stop at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel near Columbus Circle, for an event hosted by Dr. Ramon Tallaj, chairman of the nonprofit SOMOS Community Care and a member of Mayor Eric Adams’s COVID-19 recovery task force.

And then there was the truly disturbing time in late 2022 when Biden asked if deceased Congresswoman Jackie Walorski was present at a White House event:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jo...resswoman-present-white-house-event-rcna49898

Walorski had died nearly two months earlier, but Biden called out for her from the podium: "“Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie?” as he looked out and scanned the audience.

Are you kidding me? The guy is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. And, no, I'm not backing Trump in the GOP primary. I wish he'd quit and go enjoy what's left of his money. This should not be a partisan issue. Biden is clearly mentally unfit for office.
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Your post would have been more accurate if it were entitled "Baseless accusations ahoy!"
 
Puppycow said:
Evidence?

I did find an Op-Ed by Ross Douthout, who isn't the New York Times and doesn't speak for the New York Times.

His idea, which seems sort-of sensible, is for Biden to step aside at the convention so that the party could choose an alternative. Of course, this means ignoring the will of the primary voters, but I personally feel like their will should be ignored in this case.

Voters seem to have a habit of re-electing politicians that they are familiar with and comfortable with long past their sell-by date.

I doubt this will happen though. It would require Biden himself to willingly step aside. The last time that happened was LBJ, but he stepped aside before the primaries, not at the convention. If Biden were to step aside, that's when he should have done it.

But I don't where the New York Times itself has made any such suggestion.
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Douthout is one of those never T****ers who's conveniently missing any time T****y needs opposing. I wouldn't trust his opinion on what the Dems should do as far as I could throw him.
 
Random said:
Its the last one that is key. As long as the Republican party keeps up their death spiral of insanity, chasing their moderates out of their party, abandoning their policies in favor of political wins, and basically supporting full fascism, then the Dems can still win with "But at least they aren't the Republicans".

A lot of hate what the Democratic party has become under the influence of wealthy backers, but in our two-party system, they are the best option. That's why a lot of us would love for the GOP to come back to its senses, it's just not clear how that could possibly happen.
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When the choice in politics is between a really bad option and a not quite so bad option increasing numbers of people will simply refuse to choose.
 
Sadly I think a ton of Democrats are in complete denial regarding Biden's very obvious mental decline. I mean come on, watch the guy walk and talk!!! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that age is having an effect on the man. And if they don't deny it they are "but trump!!!!!".

Sad.
 
Hercules56 said:
Sadly I think a ton of Democrats are in complete denial regarding Biden's very obvious mental decline. I mean come on, watch the guy walk and talk!!! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that age is having an effect on the man. And if they don't deny it they are "but trump!!!!!".

Sad.
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The choice in November will be Trump or Biden. Which one will you select?
 
Hercules56 said:
Sadly I think a ton of Democrats are in complete denial regarding Biden's very obvious mental decline. I mean come on, watch the guy walk and talk!!! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that age is having an effect on the man. And if they don't deny it they are "but trump!!!!!".

Sad.
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It's style vs substance. Biden goes on stage and comes across as a doddering old man, speaking and moving slowly and carefully. Trump looks comparatively youthful and vigorous on stage by comparison.

It's when you look at transcripts that you realize that Biden is talking about fairly sophisticated issues and ideas, while Trump has lost the plot.

I don't really pay attention to name slip-ups, as my own mother has been mixing up my name with that of her brother since I was born. Take those off the table, and a lot of evidence of Bidens cognitive decline goes out the window.
 
Random said:
It's style vs substance. Biden goes on stage and comes across as a doddering old man, speaking and moving slowly and carefully. Trump looks comparatively youthful and vigorous on stage by comparison.
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Unless it is down a ramp.... ;)
 
mikegriffith1 said:
I mean, seriously: Just in the last few weeks, Biden has said three times that he spoke with foreign leaders who actually died years before he thought he spoke with them. From a recent news article (published three days ago):

For the third time this week, President Biden told an audience that he discussed the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the US Capitol with European leaders who were actually dead at the time.

On Wednesday, Biden told Democratic donors in New York that he spoke about the riot with former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, whose death pre-dates the event by nearly half a decade.

The shocking gaffe comes just days after the 81-year-old president confused French President Emmanuel Macron with the country’s ex-leader Francois Mitterrand — who died in 1996.

Biden made the blunder Wednesday in front of audiences at two separate fundraisers as he regaled donors with an anecdote about his first international trip as president – to the 2021 G-7 summit in Great Britain – after his 2020 election win over former President Donald Trump.

Kohl, who served as the chancellor of Germany from 1982 to 1998, died in 2017 – nearly four years before the 2021 G7 summit.

Angela Merkel was the chancellor of Germany at the time of the gathering of world leaders Biden was referring to.

About 50 guests, including actor Robert De Niro, were witness to the gaffe.

Biden also referenced “Helmut Kohl of Germany” during the telling of a nearly identical anecdote during a stop at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel near Columbus Circle, for an event hosted by Dr. Ramon Tallaj, chairman of the nonprofit SOMOS Community Care and a member of Mayor Eric Adams’s COVID-19 recovery task force.

And then there was the truly disturbing time in late 2022 when Biden asked if deceased Congresswoman Jackie Walorski was present at a White House event:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jo...resswoman-present-white-house-event-rcna49898

Walorski had died nearly two months earlier, but Biden called out for her from the podium: "“Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie?” as he looked out and scanned the audience.

Are you kidding me? The guy is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. And, no, I'm not backing Trump in the GOP primary. I wish he'd quit and go enjoy what's left of his money. This should not be a partisan issue. Biden is clearly mentally unfit for office.
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I'm not going to bother with reading four pages of comments as I can pretty much guess what's been said. But, this is my reaction to your post:

Yes, Biden's made a lot of gaffes and he's no spring chicken, to say the least. I do think his memory is not as good as it used to be. But neither is mine. They doesn't make me senile. Do I wish we had someone younger as the Dem candidate? Yes. BUT, it's the height of hypocrisy for you to make this post about Biden's memory gaffes with names when the candidate YOU support has declared "Our (Continental) army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets' red glare [War of 1812, not the Revolution], it had nothing but victory."

YOUR candidate praised Frederick Douglass as “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more,” when Douglass died in 1895!
YOUR candidate has claimed "windmill noise" causes cancer, stared directly into an eclipse with no protection, congratulated autocrat and murderer PUTIN on his 'election', praised autocrat and killer Kim Jong-un, met with the "President of the Virgin Islands" (that would be himself!), and would build a BORDER wall in COLORADO.
Yeah, Biden may have some memory problems with names, but he's not an abject IDIOT. And that's before even mentioning his being found liable for DEFAMATION (TWICE), SEXUAL ASSAULT, 91 CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS, his PATHOLOGICAL LYING or his NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
The only thing "bizarre" is your reply. You are a perfect example of the radicalized partisan poison that is ruining our politics.
Sheesh, you can't even agree that Biden is clearly, obviously, self-evidently suffering from serious cognitive decline? Really? Yeah, because you're consumed with blind partisanship.
If Trump had exhibited such troubling mental lapses, Democrats would have been screaming that he was mentally unfit and should be removed per the 25th Amendment.
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mikegriffith1 said:
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If Trump had exhibited such troubling mental lapses, Democrats would have been screaming that he was mentally unfit and should be removed per the 25th Amendment.
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Trump has and Democrats have been screaming. Trump's latest was to wander off topic in the middle of a sentence twice.

MAGA cultists don't care.

Trump’s Rambling Speech Fuels Questions About His Cognitive Abilities
During a recent speech in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, former President Donald Trump exhibited moments of confusion and incoherence, raising questions about his mental state and cognitive abilities.

Trump’s speech, where he appeared to lose track of his thoughts, has ignited discussions about his health and fitness for public office.
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Trump Short Circuits Again During Live Speech, Concerns Grow Over Mental Condition
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Trump: "We came down here. You know, the beauty was when I came here. Everyone thought Bush was going to win. And then they took a poll and found out Trump was up by about 50 points. Everyone said, 'What's going on right here?' They thought Bush, because Bush supposedly was a military person. Great. You know what he was? He got us into the... He got us into the Middle East. How did that work out, right? But they all thought that Bush might win. Jeb, remember Jeb?"​

This isn’t the first time Trump has displayed concerning signs regarding his mental fitness. During a recent speech in Washington D.C., Trump appeared confused when he suggested he was leading former President Barack Obama in the polls. In the same video, Trump appeared to struggle while trying to remember he ran against Hillary Clinton in 2016.

During another speech in Washington D.C. on the same day, Trump suggested that purchasing bread required “voter ID.”
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So Biden relates a memory thinking it was recent and Trump can't complete sentences when he rambles. Which one is more worrisome?

And Trump always goes on to say he did it on purpose which is a clear sign of mental illness. It's obvious it wasn't on purpose.
 
The mental status of Biden may be an issue for Democrats. The Republicans have a much bigger problem regarding the mental status of Trump plus his millions of supporters.
 
Steve said:
The mental status of Biden may be an issue for Democrats. The Republicans have a much bigger problem regarding the mental status of Trump plus his millions of supporters.
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:confused: You mean plus the mental status of his cult? OK, I get that.
 
The degree of denial by some people in this thread is amazing, and troubling. We are talking about much, much more than a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Biden's gaffes in cognition are hardly "trivial" but are serious and repeated.

If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
 
trump exhibits disturbing mental lapses constantly and people **** all over him. you don’t you only talk about biden. you’re describing yourself. so hop on off that high horse and stop pretending that mental fitness is important to you.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
The degree of denial by some people in this thread is amazing, and troubling. We are talking about much, much more than a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Biden's gaffes in cognition are hardly "trivial" but are serious and repeated.

If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
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Perhaps they should give Biden some tough tests - like seeing if he can say "evangelical" and asking him "What's the capital of Israel?"
 
mikegriffith1 said:
The degree of denial by some people in this thread is amazing, and troubling. We are talking about much, much more than a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Biden's gaffes in cognition are hardly "trivial" but are serious and repeated.

If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
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Trumps well-documented mental issues seem much worse to me than Biden's. Trump could easily go gaffe for gaffe with Biden. Even if we were to declare them equivalent, it would not explain the massively one-sided coverage.

If you wanted to talk about a political system that would put two elderly men with cognitive issues in a contest for the Presidency, fine. But dumping on Biden while ignoring or outright denying Trumps issues? You have an agenda, and anyone can see it.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
.... If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
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So glad you agree with us—Trump slurred his words and said bizarre things about snakes and Evangelicals just recently. And he said the capital of Israel was Israel. Did you see the clips?
 
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mikegriffith1 said:
If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
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Trump has. They have. And you haven't.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
The degree of denial by some people in this thread is amazing, and troubling. We are talking about much, much more than a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Biden's gaffes in cognition are hardly "trivial" but are serious and repeated.

If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses that Biden has displayed, I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office--and I would agree with them.
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I for one am sorry you are amazed and troubled. Here is a hanky.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So glad you agree with us—Trump slurred his words and said bizarre things about snakes and Evangelicals just recently. And he said the capital of Israel was Israel. Did you see the clips?
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Of course he hasn't. Fox/Newsmax/etc. don't ever show or mention Trump's
screwups nor do his other echo chambers.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
The degree of denial by some people in this thread is amazing, and troubling. We are talking about much, much more than a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Biden's gaffes in cognition are hardly "trivial" but are serious and repeated.

I agree 100% with the highlighted part. Admitting your degree of denial is the first step in rectifying it. I suggest access to media other than right-wing echo chambers is a good first step.

mikegriffith1 said:
If Trump or any Republican had exhibited the disturbing mental lapses [/HILITE]that Biden has displayed,
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He has. At least Biden has never claimed the US had airports during the Revolution. I refer you to my previous post:

it's the height of hypocrisy for you to make this post about Biden's memory gaffes with names when the candidate YOU support has declared "Our (Continental) army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets' red glare [War of 1812, not the Revolution], it had nothing but victory."

YOUR candidate praised Frederick Douglass as “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more,” when Douglass died in 1895!


YOUR candidate has claimed "windmill noise" causes cancer, stared directly into an eclipse with no protection, congratulated autocrat and murderer PUTIN on his 'election', praised autocrat and killer Kim Jong-un, met with the "President of the Virgin Islands" (that would be himself!), and would build a BORDER wall in COLORADO.
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mikegriffith1 said:
I suspect every Biden apologist in this thread would not hesitate to argue that he was mentally unfit for office.
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I agree. IF he had consistently and repeatedly made the kinds of idiotic remarks like I quoted above from Trump, I'd certainly say he wasn't mentally fit.
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An interesting article from Dr. John Gartner comparing Trump's mental decline to Biden's:

Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains:
"Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing"
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Dr. John Gartner is a psychologist and former professor at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Gartner was a contributor to the 2017 bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President."

In this conversation, Gartner argues that it is actually Donald Trump and not President Biden who is showing diminished mental acuity and dangerous behavior related to aging. Gartner explains that Donald Trump’s escalating dangerousness is connected to what he believes is a diseased mind that will only get worse. Gartner warns that given Trump’s dangerous personality and emotional state, (Gartner describes this as “hypomanic” behavior) he is almost certainly plotting revenge and how to make his “enemies” suffer as revenge for finally being held accountable by the courts and the rule of law. At the end of this conversation, Gartner explains how even on his worst day as an older person, President Biden is a far superior leader and decision-maker (and human being) than Donald Trump.
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Even if he was demented, I would rather have Biden than Trump as President of the United States. Dementia brings out the worst in people's character. They become 10 times worse. If Biden really were to mentally decline — and I'm not saying he has or will or is — but he's basically a benign person with good judgment. Biden cares about his fellow human beings. Biden is patriotic, and he actually believes in defending the Constitution and the United States of America. So even if Biden were to become diminished in his cognitive abilities, he's still not going to do something evil or crazy. He just might need more help. By comparison, Donald Trump unleashed would be like Satan unbound.
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There's no need for Democrats to consider replacing Biden as their chosen Presidential candidate. Certainly with age Biden has a few mobility issues, but if his mental state is not in age related decline, he will certainly prove his worth during the upcoming Presidential debates.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
There's no need for Democrats to consider replacing Biden as their chosen Presidential candidate. Certainly with age Biden has a few mobility issues, but if his mental state is not in age related decline, he will certainly prove his worth during the upcoming Presidential debates.
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How many debates has Trump agreed to do with the other candidates?
Zero.

What makes you think he's man enough to debate Biden?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
How many debates has Trump agreed to do with the other candidates?
Zero.

What makes you think he's man enough to debate Biden?
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These questions don't really have anything to do with what I said. I congratulate you on your steadfast dedication to your chosen candidate, though noting you seem to have placed a chip on your shoulder.
 
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