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How is Israel Going to Retaliate Against Hamas? Part 3

Follow-up to the previous posting --

"This is 'victory'??!! Curses upon HAMAS!"

In the article, the idea of returning back south towards Rafah is mentioned, and pushing towards Sinai (at the Egyptian crossing point). It's only a matter of time before this becomes a full-blown movement of people who are clamoring to leave Gaza.

And amid all this -- Where's the Bibas babies? (Ariel and Kfir, with mother Shiri).
Many Israelis have expressed doubts that the Bibas family would be returned alive.
 
Just watching Trump's news conference with Netanyahu, and he said the US will own Gaza. Flabbergasted, in a way, but not really.

Move the Palestinians to some other mideast country and use Gaza for real estate development? I'm still watching the press questions but Netanyahu kind of seems on board with it.
 
Just watching Trump's news conference with Netanyahu, and he said the US will own Gaza. Flabbergasted, in a way, but not really.

Move the Palestinians to some other mideast country and use Gaza for real estate development? I'm still watching the press questions but Netanyahu kind of seems on board with it.
That will go over well with the US right. You own it, you pay the costs to fix it. :LOL:
 
Just watching Trump's news conference with Netanyahu, and he said the US will own Gaza. Flabbergasted, in a way, but not really.
Well, that'll be fun. We could go skiing in our 51st state, Canada, on Monday, go for a cruise through the Panama Canal on Tuesday, and go to the beach in Gaza on Wednesday. Can't think of anything I'd want to do in Greenland, so, probably just skip it.
 
Reporter: You are talking tonight about the US taking over a sovereign territory. What authority would allow you to do that? Are you talking about a permanent occupation?

Trump: I do see a long term ownership position

He calls Gaza "the Riviera of the Middle East"

Reporter: Where exactly are you suggesting Gazans should go? Who do you envision living there?
Trump: I envision world people living there. The world's people. I think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place.

On sending US troops to Gaza: "If it's necessary, we'll do that. We're gonna take over that piece. And we're gonna develop it."

"I also believe that the Gaza Strip, which has been a symbol of death and destruction for so many decades, it should not go through a process of rebuilding and occupation by the same people."

Where is he going to put the Gazans? Gitmo?

He's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ insane.
 
It seems that the US forcibly removing 2 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and turning it in to Las Vegas is going over well with the MAGATs.
Ethnic cleansing by another name, the US would own the Gaza Strip and and other countries would take these Palestinians.
 
Reporter: You are talking tonight about the US taking over a sovereign territory. What authority would allow you to do that? Are you talking about a permanent occupation?

Trump: I do see a long term ownership position

He calls Gaza "the Riviera of the Middle East"

Reporter: Where exactly are you suggesting Gazans should go? Who do you envision living there?
Trump: I envision world people living there. The world's people. I think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place.

On sending US troops to Gaza: "If it's necessary, we'll do that. We're gonna take over that piece. And we're gonna develop it."

"I also believe that the Gaza Strip, which has been a symbol of death and destruction for so many decades, it should not go through a process of rebuilding and occupation by the same people."

Where is he going to put the Gazans? Gitmo?
He's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ insane.
Well he's only asking for a capacity for 30K illegal immigrants in Gitmo. But since he's the greatest mathematician the world has ever known, he's found a way to make it work for 2 million.
 
Tariffs and tax cuts. Shouldn't be that difficult. After all, he's the smartest economist the world has ever known.
I'm just waiting for someone to suggest to him that he can just print more money. That's about his level of economic brilliance. Although maybe I'm overestimating him: he may not realize money is printed at all, he may think it's mined from the ground. And that's why it's called "Greenland", because of all the dollars embedded in the ice!
 
Sooo.... there were a number of posters here eagerly hoping for a Trump win, as he'd quickly stop the wishy-washy Biden policies and support Israel as it should be supported.

I presume those posters are all in line to invest in the newest US beach resorts on the Mediterranean coast?

And sure, the Palestinians could go 'elsewhere'. Maybe Madagascar? I hear it's a popular destination for populations that need to 'move'
 
Following the Trump & Netanyahu presser, I rest my case. There is no way for denialism to win any arguments, not after that. I mean, c'mon, Trump admitting the place is a pile of unlivable rubble is independent confirmation of the intent to commit, and of actions taken to pursue, genocide. "Soften" that to "merely ethnic cleansing" if you like, you still end up with American and Israeli hands dripping in blood, mouths grinning in eager anticipation of war booty.

Resorts on occupied Gazan beaches, awash in the bones of victims. Entirely, absolutely disgusting. Today's fascists are like marauding macaques that get hopping mad whenever you look to see what they've done, self-defense and lawful witness being provocations. Rinse and repeat. Lo-neuron monkey business, of the feces-tossing kind.
 
Well, the US Army has taken the first batch of inmates to Gitmo.

It seems the USA had it's first concentration camp. I am sure many more will follow
 
Seems that everyone is forgetting a basic component of the 'peace' that Palestinians envision ---

Namely, the requirement for 11-million (or whatever spurious count they now propound) worldwide REFUGEES to come into the State of Palestine.

It's not just Gaza that's involved with this equation, it's also North Sinai.
The proposal for rebuilding Gaza would include that land area, and eliminate the existing boundaries from the 1982 withdrawal of Israelis from Sinai.

Basically, this is a reboot and expansion of the "Peace Through Propsperity" plan that was introduced in the previous iteration of Trump's ascendency to leader of the Free World.

It's not just Gazans who are going to be asked to shuffle their living arrangements. There will also be a significant population of those currently residing in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and among the hills of Judea and Samaria, who will be offered a place in their NewState.

It certainly appears that someone showed DJT an alternative to the last-century paradigm of a Palestine State upon the lands of 1949.
 
Calling a rapdily evolving fascist dictator the leader of the free world is.... dubious,

and this is not what Trump proposed at all. He proposed the Palestinians 'live' elsewhere and the US outright taking possession of Gaza. As a US territory or similar action.
 
His words, verbatim -- "Palestinians will live there..." (as will others, "Many people will live there.")

Let's be clear here. Trump is using his classic negotiating ploy --
In his world, you start with an extreme demand – one that is so outrageous it shifts the boundaries of what was previously considered possible. Then, when the inevitable pushback comes, you negotiate down to something that, while far less extreme than your initial position, is still a big win. You aim for 100, knowing that landing at 50 is still a success.
 
He said

"it should not go through a process of rebuilding and occupation by the same people."

" I envision world people living there. The world's people. I think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place."
 
Playing the Trump Whisperer, I think Trump was trying to do something nice for Palestinians and put Netanjahu in his place: he himself has no attachment to anything, so he can't understand why Gazans wouldn't want to move to a place less dangerous and destroyed. And he wasn't going to let Israel just take it, hence the need for a US presence instead.
Of course, the idea will never work, and he will end up pissing off everybody, and as a result he won't do anything on the subject as long as the ceasefire process continues.
 
IDF is told to prepare for 'voluntary evacuation' of Gazans ---

Trump is noting that "Everybody loves my idea..."
(Tuesday's press conference and Q&A with reporters inside the Oval Office)

Bibi has indicated his approval of "allowing Gazans who want to leave to leave, I mean, what's wrong with that?"
 
WASHINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday there was nothing wrong in Donald Trump's idea of displacing Palestinians from Gaza after the U.S. president's proposal drew international criticism.
Rights groups have condemned as ethnic cleansing Trump's suggestion the previous day that Palestinians in the enclave should be permanently displaced, while also proposing a U.S. takeover of Gaza.

In an interview with Fox News, Netanyahu did not explicitly talk about Trump's idea of the United States taking over the Gaza Strip but backed the idea of "allowing Gazans who want to leave to leave."
He added, "I mean, what's wrong with that? They can leave, they can then come back, they can relocate and come back. But you have to rebuild Gaza."
Did Bibi just publicly admit there is a right to return for all displaced Palestinians? Yes, but I doubt he understood what he was saying. After all, there is that pesky Absentee Property Law authorizing massive land theft since 1950.
Since its promulgation in 1950, the Absentees’ Property Law has been used by Israel to confiscate Palestinian properties—in Jerusalem as much as anywhere else in the country. It did this first on the newly depopulated western side of the city after the 1948 War, and then in the remaining areas it occupied in June 1967 on the eastern side. Confiscated properties have been given to Jewish Israeli settlers by different state offices, including the Custodian of Absentee Property. This Short Take explores how Israel uses the Absentees’ Property Law and several subsequent amendments to it to pursue its political objective of Judaizing Jerusalem.
What part of "messianic settler colonialism" do Israel's supporters not understand? I guess all of it; we already know they cannot read maps, follow historical timelines, or comprehend archeological findings. Voluntary displacement of brain cells, perhaps?
 
I dont know why anyone thinks anything other than Trump literally made it up on the spot. He had no plan, nothing like that. Just the usual stream of consciousness ◊◊◊◊◊ coming out of his mouth.

Its was never a plan or a negotiating tactic. Completely spontaneous, completely in line with his character.
 
As posted in another thread

US President Donald Trump's proposal to resettle Gaza's population would only be temporary, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has said.

Trump's proposal was not "hostile", but a "generous move", showing "the willingness of the United States to become responsible for the reconstruction of that area".

He said the idea was for Gazans to leave the territory for an "interim" period while debris was cleared and reconstruction took place.

Karoline Leavitt told journalists at the White House on Wednesday that the president was committed to rebuilding Gaza and "temporarily" relocating its residents during the process.

She also said the president had not committed to putting "boots on the ground" in the territory but declined to rule out the use of US troops in Gaza.

Trump said the displacement would be permanent.

 
Did Bibi just publicly admit there is a right to return for all displaced Palestinians? Yes, but I doubt he understood what he was saying. After all, there is that pesky Absentee Property Law authorizing massive land theft since 1950.

What part of "messianic settler colonialism" do Israel's supporters not understand? I guess all of it; we already know they cannot read maps, follow historical timelines, or comprehend archeological findings. Voluntary displacement of brain cells, perhaps?
Couldn't Isreal ask their "settlers" to move temporarily and move the Palestinians there, many will probably find it quite familiar.
 
Has anyone asked what the Gazans are desiring to happen, moving forward?

Gaza is still ruled by extremist Islamists who care not one bit about the Strip or its residents.

I predict that a fairly large contingent of people are going to leave Gaza for greener pastures.
Israel is going to facilitate it.

US Rep. (D-Tex.) Al Green & co. want to IMPEACH Trump over this "dastardly proposal"
Yeah, good luck with that.
 
As Avon put it: Who?
Didn't get the reference, Darat.

Are you asking who will conduct a survey of what exactly the Gazans are seeking to accomplish from this point forward?
Or, who will assist in rebuilding Gaza? Or, do the Gazans seek a repeat of this war (or a continuation of it)? Or, are Gazans confident that HAMAS serves their best interests?

I saw a brief BBC "man in the street interview" that sought the opinions of average Gazans about President Trump proposing they leave. (Keep in mind that journalists are beholden to HAMAS and all reporting from Gaza is strictly monitored and anti-HAMAS attitudes are censored).
Naturally, these interviewees declared they will 'remain on their land' and continue aiming for the destruction of the Jewish State.

Meanwhile, a few comics/satirists are adding some humorous 'voiceovers' to HAMAS.
(too soon for trying some comedy during this ongoing fiasco?)
 
On his plans for Gaza


Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting.
The Palestinians, people like Chuck Schumer, would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region. They would actually have a chance to be happy, safe, and free.
The U.S., working with great development teams from all over the World, would slowly and carefully begin the construction of what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of its kind on Earth.
No soldiers by the U.S. would be needed! Stability for the region would reign!!!
 
Just keep in mind that the most vociferous opponents of any sort of humanitarian proposals for the people of Gaza are being opposed by -- wait for it -- HAMAS and Iran!


and

 
IDF is told to prepare for 'voluntary evacuation' of Gazans ---

Trump is noting that "Everybody loves my idea..."
(Tuesday's press conference and Q&A with reporters inside the Oval Office)

Bibi has indicated his approval of "allowing Gazans who want to leave to leave, I mean, what's wrong with that?"
The Peaceful Palestinians™ have waged jihad against every country that has ever taken them in. It is difficult to imagine what countries remain that would be willing to accept them.
 
His words, verbatim -- "Palestinians will live there..." (as will others, "Many people will live there.")

Let's be clear here. Trump is using his classic negotiating ploy --
In his world, you start with an extreme demand – one that is so outrageous it shifts the boundaries of what was previously considered possible. Then, when the inevitable pushback comes, you negotiate down to something that, while far less extreme than your initial position, is still a big win. You aim for 100, knowing that landing at 50 is still a success.

Just keep in mind that the most vociferous opponents of any sort of humanitarian proposals for the people of Gaza are being opposed by -- wait for it -- HAMAS and Iran!


and

So now involuntary expulsion is now humanitarian proposols.
Sorry but you have not lost me totally.
And how do we know that the West Bank will not be the next target for 'Humarian Proposols".

And Trump's diea have just given a huge gift to every extremist group in the Mideast.
 
I dont know why anyone thinks anything other than Trump literally made it up on the spot. He had no plan, nothing like that. Just the usual stream of consciousness ◊◊◊◊◊ coming out of his mouth.

Its was never a plan or a negotiating tactic. Completely spontaneous, completely in line with his character.
I can;t stand Bibi, but even he looked aback when Trump made his announcement.
 
So now involuntary expulsion is now humanitarian proposols.
Sorry but you have not lost me totally.
And how do we know that the West Bank will not be the next target for 'Humarian Proposols".

And Trump's ideas have just given a huge gift to every extremist group in the Mideast.

As if they need any excuse or rationale. They're jihadists, they require no reason to act up violently.

It's humanitarian to want Gazans moved out of a disaster zone.
And let me tell you, UNRWA is done with, none of their lame efforts to perpetuate Palestinian 'refugee status' will be paid for anymore.

There is no WestyBank, that designation is finished, it's a relic from 1949 and Israel won't wind back clocks to 1949.

Gaza was supposed to be what Trump is now proposing! Arafat was promised all that he needed to create this lavish and flourishing Gaza Strip Mediterranean coastal enclave, along with developing Jericho on the Dead Sea (where a magnificent Palestinian Resort/Casino arose, with the aid of Sol Kerzner). Literally, the Israelis supported the entire endeavor of Palestinian National Authority to achieve a modicum of trappings of Statehood, to see how things work out in the passage of time...

HAMAS made sure it worked out to the point where we're at today.
 
I can;t stand Bibi, but even he looked aback when Trump made his announcement.
Got link to a video of this exact moment? (time stamp)
(Also, are you indicating that Netanyahu had not been previously been made aware of this suggestion by Trump?)
 
As if they need any excuse or rationale. They're jihadists, they require no reason to act up violently.

It's humanitarian to want Gazans moved out of a disaster zone.
And let me tell you, UNRWA is done with, none of their lame efforts to perpetuate Palestinian 'refugee status' will be paid for anymore.

There is no WestyBank, that designation is finished, it's a relic from 1949 and Israel won't wind back clocks to 1949.

Gaza was supposed to be what Trump is now proposing! Arafat was promised all that he needed to create this lavish and flourishing Gaza Strip Mediterranean coastal enclave, along with developing Jericho on the Dead Sea (where a magnificent Palestinian Resort/Casino arose, with the aid of Sol Kerzner). Literally, the Israelis supported the entire endeavor of Palestinian National Authority to achieve a modicum of trappings of Statehood, to see how things work out in the passage of time...

HAMAS made sure it worked out to the point where we're at today.
Subsitute 1967 for 1949.......
Problem remains: Do you advocate a total removal of Palestinisan from the areas West of the Jordan which Israel conquered in 1967?
 
Subsitute 1967 for 1949.......
Problem remains: Do you advocate a total removal of Palestinisan from the areas West of the Jordan which Israel conquered in 1967?
Would tolerate a neighbouring entity constantly raining bombs on your territory? Unfortunately you can’t isolate Palestinians from Hamas, which still apparently receives support from a majority of Palestinians.
 

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