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How is Israel Going to Retaliate Against Hamas? Part 3

It's revealing that you would prefer me providing information that you can find out yourself.

The obvious reason is that you need me as a source so you can instantly reject it.

Luckily, I don't care about convincing you.
And you don't care about learning anything, or you would have looked yourself.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
It's revealing that you would prefer me providing information that you can find out yourself.

The obvious reason is that you need me as a source so you can instantly reject it.

Luckily, I don't care about convincing you.
And you don't care about learning anything, or you would have looked yourself.
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Its about your honesty
 
Manger Douse said:
Its about your honesty
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What is?
If you want to accuse me of lying, just do it.
Or do some research first, so you won't embarrass yourself.

The multiple cases in which Trump was so upset with Netanjahu that he used profanity are well documented.
And he just came out of an election in which he called American Israeli who didn't vote for him traitors - and most didn't.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
What is?
If you want to accuse me of lying, just do it.
Or do some research first, so you won't embarrass yourself.

The multiple cases in which Trump was so upset with Netanjahu that he used profanity are well documented.
And he just came out of an election in which he called American Israeli who didn't vote for him traitors - and most didn't.
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Well lets see some of this evidence, and then you can tell us how it will affect what's going on in the middle east in any way shape or form...
 
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Manger Douse said:
Well lets see some of this evidence, and then you can tell us how it will affect what's going on in the middle east in any way shape or form...
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Why?
What will you give me in return?

Trump made it very clear what he wants of Netanyahu, and it's very doubtful he can deliver and stay in power.
Biden just decided to ignore his own ultimatum for a block of weapon shipments with Israel if they keep on starving Gazans.

In other words, the current President will support Israel no matter what, the incoming one has demands.

It would be naïve to think that the change in the White House won't have any affect on the Conflict.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Why?
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Honesty
The Great Zaganza said:
What will you give me in return?
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I'll stop laughing at you
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump made it very clear what he wants of Netanyahu, and it's very doubtful he can deliver and stay in power.
Biden just decided to ignore his own ultimatum for a block of weapon shipments with Israel if they keep on starving Gazans.

In other words, the current President will support Israel no matter what, the incoming one has demands.

It would be naïve to think that the change in the White House won't have any affect on the Conflict.
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Since Trumps new secretary of state has said he 100% puts the blame for civilian deaths on HAMAS's policy of using them as human shields, I'm going to need a lot more than your say so on who's making the greater demands on Netanyahu between Biden and Trump. Lol
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The multiple cases in which Trump was so upset with Netanjahu that he used profanity are well documented.
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First time I'm hearing of it. But if these cases are so well documented, seems like it would be easy for you to produce some of this documentation. Yet you don't.

I wonder why.
The Great Zaganza said:
It's revealing that you would prefer me providing information that you can find out yourself.
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I for one would prefer you to back up your own claims, instead of asking others to back them up for you.
 
Abundant evidence the miserable Maccabees acted as far more than hooligans. Sadly, you need actual balls to find and listen to the evidence and hear their chants, each vaporizing any and all Raillie Puss claims to goodness, which is why you will not hear or see any of it on Mercan airwaves nor recognized here, tail-tucked into memory deep down where the scary, mythbusting timelines are buried.

Meanwhile, the ethnic cleansing of both the West Bank and Gaza continues apace, as does the openly genocidal chanting from American fangirls of big muscles. ("Oh, so big!")
 
Tulsi Gabbard as head of US Intelligence. This makes Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, not to mention Putin, very happy.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's revealing that you would prefer me providing information that you can find out yourself.
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Actually, it's more revealing that you consistently refuse to support your claims with evidence, and then try to shift the burden of proof onto others. You may vaguely recollect what the burden of proof is. It says that the person making the claim should supply the evidence. It is not up to anyone else to do that for you. Your sniffy dismissals of this only serve to undermine what pass for your arguments, and show how hollow so many of your claims really are.
The Great Zaganza said:
The obvious reason is that you need me as a source so you can instantly reject it.
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No. The obvious reason is that the burden of proof rests on you.
And stop making this personal.
The Great Zaganza said:
Luckily, I don't care about convincing you.
And you don't care about learning anything, or
you would have looked yourself.
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Ahem.
Cosmic Yak said:
Good luck with that. TGZ's SOP is to make a ridiculous and unsupported claim, dismiss any requests to back it up as 'irrelevant', and then move on to the next silly assertion.
I had a look at the most recent news stories, and none of them indicate that Trump is anything other than supportive of Netanyahu.
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I did look. Pretending I didn't only makes your bluster look more ridiculous.
At the end of the day, then, I think a judicious use of Hitchens' Razor is called for. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You have utterly failed to support your claim, and are yet again getting personally angry with me, presumably because you know, deep down, that you were caught out telling yet another lie, and now you are- as you Yankees put it so pithily- butthurt.
 
Manger Douse said:
The date of that story is December 2021
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Yes, and the man once pissed, never lets go of a grudge.
It is safe to say, he is still pissed.
Also safe to say Trump would be against Hamas demands that Jerusalem becomes the capital of the Palestinian state.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
I'll leave you alone with your fantasy, it's obvious you don't want to contemplate reality
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What are you talking about?
Wounded Knee, Trail of tears, Bear River or what?

Unless you are referring to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but that was a good thing in that it preserved Japan's self determination as a country.
In other words it stopped the invasion of Japan by Russia, which would have resulted in a communist Japan.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Gee, if we could figure out how to tell them apart.

No, I am in favor of a voluntary diaspora.

Land for peace if you will.
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Ah turning them into stateless migrants, no one wants to take in 2 million Palestinians, just like no one wanted to take in the Jews in 1939.
 
So Israel seems to be planning to annex the West Bank (and presumably Gaza) once Trump in power. So we can expect 3,000,000 Palestinians to be expelled from the West bank and 2,000,000 from Gaza. Lebanon south of the Litani annexed, and the occupied part of Syria has already been annexed and settled.
www.israelnationalnews.com

Netanyahu:'Annexation when Trump returns'

The Prime Minister said recently in closed talks that after Trump's entry into the White House, the issue of sovereignty over the Judea and Samaria areas should be revisited.
www.israelnationalnews.com www.israelnationalnews.com
 
Cosmic Yak said:
@lionking: note that TGZ has, once again, failed to support his claim that Trump is pissed off with Bibi, and has moved on to something else. Wearyingly predictable.
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TRump would sell out Bibi in a second if he though it would be to his benefit..but for the moment I don't think he is anywhere near that point.
I am predicting that the new Ambassador to Israel will end up creating problems. I just don;t think Huckabee is going to able to resist trying t convert the Jews to Jesus.
 
The Great Zaganza said:

not hard to find unless you don't want to.
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There, that wasn't so hard, was it? All this griping and whining about having to produce evidence, when one link was all you had to post.
So, looking- rather later than was necessary - at your single link, what do we see? Trump having one of his frequent tantrums, four years ago. Since then, what have we seen? Trump and Bibi getting along famously. Trump moved the US consulate to Jerusalem, and enacted a number of other pro-Israel policies, like cutting off funding to UNWRA and recognising the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. The vast majority of commentators are seeing the Trump election victory as a victory for Netanyahu as well. Look at the envoys Trump has appointed: both pro-settlement. to the extent that they want to recognise them as legal and Israeli.
There is zero evidence that Trump is still angry with Netanyahu since his outburst four years ago, and the fact that this one link was all you were able to find to support your claim reinforces that idea. Do you have anything to show that Trump personally, and/or the policies of his new administration, indicate he is still angry with Bibi?
I'm not rising to your pathetic attempts at character assassination. You're smarting from the number of times I've exposed your lies and called out your ridiculous claims. I get that. However, lashing out in this way does you no credit at all.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0endd8qj01o
www.aa.com.tr

‘Do what you have to do': Trump reportedly tells Netanyahu

Former US president encouraged Israeli prime minister in call earlier this month, according to Washington Post - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr
www.theguardian.com

Trump win is a victory for Netanyahu, but Israeli PM may not get it all his way

US president-elect has indicated he wants an end to war in Gaza and his position on conflict with Iran remains unclear
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Cosmic Yak said:
There, that wasn't so hard, was it? All this griping and whining about having to produce evidence, when one link was all you had to post.
So, looking- rather later than was necessary - at your single link, what do we see? Trump having one of his frequent tantrums, four years ago. Since then, what have we seen? Trump and Bibi getting along famously. Trump moved the US consulate to Jerusalem, and enacted a number of other pro-Israel policies, like cutting off funding to UNWRA and recognising the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. The vast majority of commentators are seeing the Trump election victory as a victory for Netanyahu as well. Look at the envoys Trump has appointed: both pro-settlement. to the extent that they want to recognise them as legal and Israeli.
There is zero evidence that Trump is still angry with Netanyahu since his outburst four years ago, and the fact that this one link was all you were able to find to support your claim reinforces that idea. Do you have anything to show that Trump personally, and/or the policies of his new administration, indicate he is still angry with Bibi?
I'm not rising to your pathetic attempts at character assassination. You're smarting from the number of times I've exposed your lies and called out your ridiculous claims. I get that. However, lashing out in this way does you no credit at all.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0endd8qj01o
www.aa.com.tr

‘Do what you have to do': Trump reportedly tells Netanyahu

Former US president encouraged Israeli prime minister in call earlier this month, according to Washington Post - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr
www.theguardian.com

Trump win is a victory for Netanyahu, but Israeli PM may not get it all his way

US president-elect has indicated he wants an end to war in Gaza and his position on conflict with Iran remains unclear
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I repeat: Trump will turn on BIbi in a New York Minute if he thinks he can benefit from it; but no sings that is happening.
But Trump does have a problem: MAGA is divided over the Mideast. You have the Evangelical who are very pro Israel because of their intepretain of the BOok of Revealations; and then you have Have the Isolationist wing of MAGA who wants the US out of the whole mess. Trump has to find sme way of keeping them bothif not happy, at least not angry.
 
Ziggurat said:
Depends what for. He still wants a Congress that will go along with his plans, and that requires at least some voter approval.
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No, it requires Congress's approval. If a few representatives then lose their next election afterwards that won't bother Trump. They will each have to choose whether to risk Trump's immediate wrath or their constituents' future wrath. And the constituents may just vote for them anyway, or forget about it all by then.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Why? Trump got their votes, he got the job. He doesn't need voter approval anymore.
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But Trump loves their adulation. It is all about Trump satisfying his ego. Yo don;t hink he has any real pricipals, do you?
Also from a practial point of view he cannot afford to have his movement splinter and dlute their support. SO he has to play a balancing game between the factions of MAGA.
 
dudalb said:
But Trump loves their adulation. It is all about Trump satisfying his ego. Yo don;t hink he has any real pricipals, do you?
Also from a practial point of view he cannot afford to have his movement splinter and dlute their support. SO he has to play a balancing game between the factions of MAGA.
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I think he's deluded enough that if he can get a dozen people into one of his rallies that'll be sufficient for him to perceive them as hundreds of thousands of adoring fans. He already sees more people that can actually fit into a place. He won't notice if 99% of his followers turn on him, as long as he has the barest sliver of a fraction of acolytes that's enough to feed his ego.
 
The (Saudi) Arab News has already picked up on this. This morning's edition has a story about how Muslims who voted for Trump are dismayed by his pro-Israel picks for the key Middle East positions. I have no sympathy for this: Trump's pro-Israel stance is well known, his antipathy toward Muslims is hardly a secret, and his willingness to say anything to anyone in order to get power and money is no surprise either.
Well, not to me at least. To many Muslim Americans, apparently, and to our very own TGZ, Trump's track record has been completely forgotten. Let's hope this will be a lesson for them,
 
Cosmic Yak said:
The (Saudi) Arab News has already picked up on this. This morning's edition has a story about how Muslims who voted for Trump are dismayed by his pro-Israel picks for the key Middle East positions. I have no sympathy for this: Trump's pro-Israel stance is well known, his antipathy toward Muslims is hardly a secret, and his willingness to say anything to anyone in order to get power and money is no surprise either.
Well, not to me at least. To many Muslim Americans, apparently, and to our very own TGZ, Trump's track record has been completely forgotten. Let's hope this will be a lesson for them,
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But, but, but they didn't think the leopards would eat their faces!
 
TragicMonkey said:
But, but, but they didn't think the leopards would eat their faces!
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I'm also reminded of the old story about the frog carrying the scorpion across the river.
I'm actually teaching people from some of the Saudi government ministries. From what I can gather, they are largely in favour of Trump too. I wonder how long it will take before they- and the policy-makers in the region- become disillusioned, assuming that Trump's pro-Israel appointees do what is expected. This, I think, may well be more significant for Trump than just alienating a small minority of American voters. The ramifications for US-Middle East relations are potentially enormous.
 
I seem to remember that he closed out by saying that Kamala was a warmonger who would invade the Middle East and kill millions of Muslims.

Of course, standing along side Liz Cheney might have helped to sell this
 
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