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How is Israel Going to Retaliate Against Hamas? Part 3

OK, so now HAMAS is urging a return to 'martyrdom' attacks (suicide bombings and shootings).

There will be more difficult days ahead.
Including on America's streets.

Where's Waldo?
 
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OK, so now HAMAS is claiming that the six hostages "were hit by an Israeli airstrike, utilizing American weaponry, which killed the six hostages." --- al-Rishq

I would, naturally, require some authentication of this from a source other than HAMAS.
Ha'aretz is reporting that Israeli forensics on the cadavers indicated they were all shot in the head, execution-style.

Hmmmmm, who to believe of these two differing versions? Tough choice. (not)


Where's Waldo?
 
webfusion said:
Hercules, the WIKI link provided indicates that according to B'Tselem, more than 42 percent of the West Bank are under control of the Israeli settlements, 21 percent of which was seized from private Palestinian owners...

In other words, of the 42 percent of total lands, 21 percent of those are upon confiscated private lands.
In any case, that practice has been discontinued.

Ehud Olmert knows that this entire discussion revolves around about 150,000 individuals only, who would eventually be subject to relocation as a PalestineState emerges (their State needs to be judenrein, apparently).
https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1829637011675705771?mx=2
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Ironic, as in 1948 the Zionists did their utmost best to remove as many non-Jews as possible. And then after 1949 refused to allow any cleansed non-Jews to return.


So don't talk to use about ethnic cleansing cuz you are guilty as charged.
 
webfusion said:
Hercules, the WIKI link provided indicates that according to B'Tselem, more than 42 percent of the West Bank are under control of the Israeli settlements, 21 percent of which was seized from private Palestinian owners...

In other words, of the 42 percent of total lands, 21 percent of those are upon confiscated private lands.
In any case, that practice has been discontinued.

Ehud Olmert knows that this entire discussion revolves around about 150,000 individuals only, who would eventually be subject to relocation as a PalestineState emerges (their State needs to be judenrein, apparently).
https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1829637011675705771?mx=2
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Speaking of Judenrein, how many non-Jews live in your West Bank settlements??

I bet less than 1%. Or even less.

Talk about Apartheid.
 
webfusion said:
I notice that American universities and colleges are once more being co-opted into the service of HAMAS.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-817127
(Temple Univ. in Phila., Pa.)

At Baruch College in New York last week, protestors called to "bring the war home." (an allusion to making lives of Jews miserable in the USA, and especially to disrupting/threatening those Jews on campuses who are openly involved with Hillel, etc).
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Unfortunately, over the last few years it appears that contrary to when I was in college, Hillel has become an arm of right-wing Zionism.

Anyone who espouses the following ideas is forbidden.

-opposing the settlements

-supporting any sanctions or boycotts of settlements.

-accusing Israel of maintaining an apartheid regime in the West Bank.

-opposing the Gaza war.



When you make yourself a mouthpiece for Fascists like Netanyahu, people may think you are a devil.

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The Canadian leader shows some resolve, finally, too bad it took so long.
"HAMAS must release all hostages, lay down its arms, and have no future in the governance of Gaza."

IDF Brigadier General Barak Hiram has assumed the role of Commanding Officer of the Gaza Division, during a handover ceremony inside Gaza.
"HAMAS must release the hostages, lay down its arms, and have no future in governing Gaza.."
he noted.

Israeli President Herzog, in the presence of Holland's FM Caspar Veldkamp, indicated his thanks for the Dutch support of Israel.
"I believe the whole attitude towards Hamas must change by the world community and by the interlocutors, by Arab nations, by intermediaries. They all have to understand that HAMAS is not a partner in anything." as well as "...I call upon the world community – there have to be very firm decisions taken against HAMAS all over the world."

The outright killing of those 6 hostages appears to be a watershed moment in this war.
Everyone must keep in mind that despite the high-visibility protests on Israel's streets, a massive proportion of Israel's citizenry are not behind these calls for an end to this war under HAMAS' terms.
"We can not surrender to murder and give a prize to murders." -- Rabbi Yosef Witzen
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/395546

and
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/395541 "Unite"

המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים
 
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webfusion said:
The Everyone must keep in mind that despite the high-visibility protests on Israel's streets, a massive proportion of Israel's citizenry are not behind these calls for an end to this war under HAMAS' terms.
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Do you think that massive proportion want the extinction of hamas at any cost, even if that cost is the loss of the hostages?
 
I have seen estimates of only 20 or so people remaining alive in Gaza, and that number is now reduced by six.

The Israelis (in coordination with the USA lame-duck Administration) are now indicating to HAMAS -- this is our final offer, take it or leave it.

We'll see how that goes.
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
Do you think that massive proportion want the extinction of hamas at any cost, even if that cost is the loss of the hostages?
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Typical propaganda trick.

Instead of asking: " how can we get the hostages back AND defang Hamas?" the narrative has been crafted to be "kill Hamas and the hostages OR let them destroy Israel".

When you give people two options to choose from make sure to set them up so that there's no real choice but the one that serves you most of all.
 
I am pretty well convinced that the new IDF Brigadier General who took over command yesterday in Gaza has a different outlook on the continued pursuit of this war than his predecessor.

Where's Waldo?
 
Several posts off topic and Rule 0 and 12 breaches have been moved to AAH. Any further such breaches will result in suspension.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
The cold-blooded execution of any human is outrageous. So is becoming outraged only when its yours and not theirs. If we go by body counts and numbers of illegally detained in torture camps by either side, it is clear who is more brutal: Israel. Numbers don't lie. Population sizes relatively the same, 7m.
 
webfusion said:
Lame-Duck Joe is trying to leave office with a shred of dignity intact.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-817418

His replacement is now supplicating herself before the Islamic community of Michigan.
And appointing people to 'advise' her who are anti_Israel at their core.
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Please show respect to American officials. They finance you. You cannot survive without them. They are your geostrategic parents, more essential than birth parents, and you have a command to honor them. I mean, what are you going to say when you meet up in the docket at Nuremberg 2.0? Same crimes, same venue.
 
webfusion said:
The
Everyone must keep in mind that despite the high-visibility protests on Israel's streets, a massive proportion of Israel's citizenry are not behind these calls for an end to this war under HAMAS' terms.
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Could you clarify what you mean by a "massive proportion": a large minority, a small majority, or a large majority?
 
webfusion said:
His replacement is now supplicating herself before the Islamic community of Michigan.
And appointing people to 'advise' her who are anti_Israel at their core.
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I'd be interested in seeing news reports to that effect if you can provide links.
 
webfusion said:
Lame-Duck Joe is trying to leave office with a shred of dignity intact.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-817418
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But Joe is correct, isn't he?

Netanyahu is in fact not doing enough to free Gaza hostages.

And 10s of thousands of Israelis are prepared to strike, march and say so publicly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2np7p1yr7o

'On Sunday, national security adviser Jake Sullivan met the US families of remaining hostages.

The US family of Edan Alexander, a member of the Israeli military who is still a hostage in Gaza, have pushed for Israel to accept the deal, saying it is "now or never".

His father Adi Alexander praised the US for its "dedication and commitment" to secure a deal, saying that Sunday was his 15th meeting with Mr Sullivan since his son's abduction on 7 October.

Mr Alexander accused Mr Netanyahu of "prolonging the war for short-term political gain".'
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Typical propaganda trick.

Instead of asking: " how can we get the hostages back AND defang Hamas?" the narrative has been crafted to be "kill Hamas and the hostages OR let them destroy Israel".

When you give people two options to choose from make sure to set them up so that there's no real choice but the one that serves you most of all.
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The only way to defang Hamas is to do what the British finally came around to realising after thirty years of the Troubles (which they started with a number of massacres), sit down with those you are fighting against and negotiate in good faith. Though with the Palestinians, it won't be about initiating a means towards reunification but setting up a two state solution (ideally on the 1948 borders).
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The only way to defang Hamas is to do what the British finally came around to realising after thirty years of the Troubles (which they started with a number of massacres), sit down with those you are fighting against and negotiate in good faith. Though with the Palestinians, it won't be about initiating a means towards reunification but setting up a two state solution (ideally on the 1948 borders).
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Will you stop this crap. The Troubles stopped because the people of Ireland wanted it to stop and the IRA lost popular support. Palestine still, ardently, wants Israel destroyed. Your attempted comparison is utterly bogus and doesn’t belong in this thread.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The only way to defang Hamas is to do what the British finally came around to realising after thirty years of the Troubles (which they started with a number of massacres), sit down with those you are fighting against and negotiate in good faith. Though with the Palestinians, it won't be about initiating a means towards reunification but setting up a two state solution (ideally on the 1948 borders).
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If Israel allowed Palestine to actually exist and flourish, popular support for terrorism against Israelis would dry up.

Sadly Israelis will never let Palestine exist cuz it means abandoning "Greater Israel". They care more about their Lebensraum than peace. :(
 
Hercules56 said:
If Israel allowed Palestine to actually exist and flourish, popular support for terrorism against Israelis would dry up.

Sadly Israelis will never let Palestine exist cuz it means abandoning "Greater Israel". They care more about their Lebensraum than peace. : (
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It's called Jordan. But still the terrorism persists.
 
jt512 said:
I'd be interested in seeing news reports to that effect if you can provide links.
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Brenda Abdelall

Ilan Goldenberg

Nasrina Bargzie

And also, Gordon.

It's gonna be a bumpy ride for Israel if she were to be elected.
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
But Joe is correct, isn't he?

Netanyahu is in fact not doing enough to free Gaza hostages.

And 10s of thousands of Israelis are prepared to strike, march and say so publicly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2np7p1yr7o

'On Sunday, national security adviser Jake Sullivan met the US families of remaining hostages.

The US family of Edan Alexander, a member of the Israeli military who is still a hostage in Gaza, have pushed for Israel to accept the deal, saying it is "now or never".

His father Adi Alexander praised the US for its "dedication and commitment" to secure a deal, saying that Sunday was his 15th meeting with Mr Sullivan since his son's abduction on 7 October.

Mr Alexander accused Mr Netanyahu of "prolonging the war for short-term political gain".'
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Among the hostages' families are those who keep insisting to please stop politicizing and demonstrating against Bibi, and to focus on HAMAS being the responsible party, not the Israeli government.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/395546
 
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jt512, it so happens that Israel underwent 5 back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back national elections in order to try and unify the political divide, and literally, that never occurred.

Israel is split down the middle, indeed. That's been the case since at least Rabin.
 
lionking said:
Will you stop this crap. The Troubles stopped because the people of Ireland wanted it to stop and the IRA lost popular support. Palestine still, ardently, wants Israel destroyed. Your attempted comparison is utterly bogus and doesn’t belong in this thread.
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maybe you want to discuss that with someone form Ireland, and ask them what they think of the Gaza conflict?
 
webfusion said:
I have seen estimates of only 20 or so people remaining alive in Gaza, and that number is now reduced by six.

The Israelis (in coordination with the USA lame-duck Administration) are now indicating to HAMAS -- this is our final offer, take it or leave it.

We'll see how that goes.
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I think this is an example of the problem. The only people who are people in your view are Israelis. The hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Gaza still not killed as a result of IDF actions are not thought of as people by some supporters of israel. If they are not people then genocide can not occur, war crimes can not be commited.
 
Planigale, while I read your diatribe against Israel, it's unwarranted. I was using 'people' in the vernacular, as referring to hostages -- that's all.
By the way, there are nearly 2 million, not 'hundreds of thousands' of Arabs in Gaza.

The "problem" is not Gaza, by the way. Nor the residents therein.
The problem is Islamic Fundamentalist radicals who feel that Jews deserve to die, as a matter of religious imperative.

And, truth be told, the IDF is taking care of THOSE people, one dirtbag at a time.
Ahmed Fozi Nazer Muhammad Wadia is an example of the ACTUAL 'problem'
 
The Great Zaganza said:
maybe you want to discuss that with someone form Ireland, and ask them what they think of the Gaza conflict?
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Here are several Irish opinions on the matter:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland...ising-palestine-in-tense-meeting-1628900.html


https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/im-irish-i-stand-with-israel
Conor O'mara "I'm Irish; I stand with Israel"

https://www.thejc.com/news/features...-israel-in-an-irish-sea-of-hostility-jjrdyp6b

and
https://www.irelandisrael.ie
 
Ireland recently recognized the State of Palestine in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Long live Ireland!!!
 
Hercules56 said:
Ireland recently recognized the State of Palestine in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Long live Ireland!!!
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Did they really? How quaint.

Is there any map of this new State? Be curious to see it. Maybe there's a copy in the Ireland government archives? Anyone have a link to this?
 
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