DeiRenDopa said:
Again, I don't think you've actually read the papers in the OAJ Special Issue.
I've now read Jeremy Dunning Davies's editorial, which I thought was fair enough. I've also read Wallace Thornhill's
Towards a Real Cosmology in the 21st Century down as far as the electric stars, when I'm afraid I lost interest.
Well, of those who have tried to defend this Special Issue as being consistent with the stated aims of OAJ*, you seem to be only the second to have actually
read at least some of the papers. Congratulations.
IMHO it's rather a rambling polemic essay, and I think much of what he says is mistaken. But there is food for thought in there - IMHO he isn't entirely wrong about everything. And I didn't end up feeling angry and wanting to screw the thing up and chuck it in the bin shouting pseudoscience trash!
Is your reading comprehension really so poor? Or is it your logic?
Have your forgotten this? Or did you simply not read it at all (even though I added bold)?
I can't speak for anyone else who's posted in this thread, but as the OP, I thought I had made what I was getting wound up about crystal clear: none of the papers in the OAJ 2011 Special Issue "Some Initial Thoughts on Plasma Cosmology" was peer-reviewed (or, if peer-reviewed, the reviewer(s)' recommendations etc ignored).
So, would you like to take the time to re-read at least those two, this time with a view to writing something pertinent to the topic at hand? In case you still haven't got it, please allow me to repeat it:
None of the papers in the OAJ 2011 Special Issue "Some Initial Thoughts on Plasma Cosmology" was peer-reviewed (or, if peer-reviewed, the reviewer(s)' recommendations etc ignored).
That's how I've felt with some other material. I'd say there is more of a "religious" aspect to broad-brush physics than you appreciate, hence I don't see this "peer reviewed" collusion as entirely untypical.
Right.
Got it.
The problem lies with your logic.
Specifically, in Farsight logic, "there are some papers, somewhere - no I didn't present any evidence, just trust me - that I, Farsight, think were not peer-reviewed; therefore it's OK that five papers in OAJ that were not peer-reviewed"
Oh wait.
Your logic is not even this good.
It goes something like this: "I, Farsight, think there is a "religious" aspect to broad-brush physics - no I didn't present any evidence, just trust me - therefore it's OK that five papers in OAJ that were not peer-reviewed."
I shall try to keep what you evidently regard as impeccable logic in mind, as I read your
rants posts on black holes (in other threads). That way I may understand better what you're trying to say.
Wanna try again?
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This thread should be explaining why Thornhill is wrong instead of squawking in outrage and attempting some kind of character assassination.
Well, if you'd like to start just such a thread, please, by all means do so.
On the other hand, if you've nothing to say about the topic, clearly presented in the OP, how about you refrain from putting your fingers on your keyboard?
IMHO, PS is also mistaken; the distinction isn't so much between speculative notions and demonstrably wrong crackpot Electric Universe conjectures as between science and religion, or science and anti-science. Viewed in this way, the apparent sloppiness in the various OAJ Special Issue papers is more easily understood/explained: the authors are engaged in a religious propaganda campaign (in a similar vein, Tom Bridgman has, in several of his blog entries, drawn attention to the similarity between the EU and creationism).
We'll have to agree to differ about that. IMHO there's plenty of other stuff out there that's "peer reviewed" and peddled by interest groups via propaganda campaigns. Some of it is crackpot, and some of that has a veneer of respectability. What we have here is just another interest group pushing their stuff.
OK, so, a straight question which is pertinent: what, in the Farsight universe, are the key aspects of 'peer-review' (with respect to a journal whose stated aims are similar to those of OAJ)?
For example:
* is the person doing the review required to be conversant with the published literature on the topic?
* is the reviewer required to spot errors of the kind Smith makes (e.g. with respect to his reference [5], see above)?
* should a reviewer require the author of the paper being reviewed to find the primary sources (a peer-reviewed paper, for example), and not use press releases?
* should a reviewer require such an author to cite the sources they use for their figures?
I've spoken to Jeremy Dunning Davies in the past by the way. And read his book, which I thought was interesting. As I recall he rather railed about some things, and I certainly didn't agree with everything he said. But I got something from it nevertheless. I think it strengthened my "Voltaire" view: I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
That's nice.
And it is relevant to the topic of this thread, how, exactly?
* there are only three, you, Zeuzzzz, and MM (SG's comments are, perhaps, marginally relevant too; she obviously read the editorial). It took a while, but Z actually got around to reading at least one of the five, you've read one and a bit, and MM has - apparently - not read any yet